"We Want Blood on the Streets of England"

[channa18]

Despite intense press coverage of the latest Denmark cartoon controversy, many observers have deftly ignored the larger implications of the outcry from conservative Muslim circles at the perceived blasphemy of the Prophet Mohammed. Those implications are quite clear to me and should have been to anyone else who attended today's raucous protest rally outside the Danish embassy in London organized by the Islamic militant group formerly known as Al-Muhajiroun. A representative of the organizers proclaimed through a loudspeaker that the cartoons were a desperate attempt to draw attention away from the "defeat" of the "infidels" in Iraq at the hands of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Loud cries reverberated through the crowd of hundreds calling upon Usama Bin Laden to "bomb Denmark", alongside similar emphatic screams to "nuke Germany, nuke France, nuke the USA." Other angry demonstrators demanded--as a result of the Danish cartoons--that Al-Qaida launch 9/11-style terrorist attacks not just in Denmark, but also in France, the U.K., and elsewhere. One protest organizer explained simply, "the language of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Usama Bin Laden is the only language that they understand." When Al-Muhajiroun militants triumphantly burned a flag, it was not the Danish or Norwegian flag--but rather that of the European Union. Indeed, the uproar over the Danish cartoons is merely the latest eruption of growing tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims across the European continent. Eventually, it seems all but certain that these ongoing tensions will manifest themselves into further acts of terrorist violence. Anyone who remains skeptical of this serious threat to the political stability of Europe should come and listen to extremist British Muslims gleefully express their desire to "spread blood in the streets of England" in "another 7/7"--precisely as they did today in front of hundreds of police and other onlookers. There can be no clearer warning to the Western world.

http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2006/02/we_want_blood_o.html


very scary stuff.

[corporate_mike]

1. scary pictures

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5105418,00.jpg

[buddysmellgood]

2. So the extremists are bitching about a cartoon that depicts exactly what

they are working toward.

[corporate_mike]

4. original cartoon

[catmother]

8. okay -- so what's so terrible about it? do they not have a sense

of humor? sometimes i think it's all that sexual repression that makes them go nuts.

[liberalpragmatist]

52. Well, that's not the one that's causing most of the outcry

I don't condone what's happening - the reaction is wholly disproportional to the original action.

However, the cartoons that have provoked the outcry are believed to the following one depicting Muhammad with a bomb for a turban, which is being interpreted by most Muslims as the cartoonist slandering Muhammad as a terrorist:



Some of the fury also seems created by these fabricated ones that were passed on by radical imams as being among the original cartoons:


Mohammed with a pig snout, singing into a microphone.


The caption says in Arabic, "This is why Muslims pray."


A sketch of Mohammed as a demonic pedophile.

[Wilms]

3. It's a good thing these guys don't have a military.

I mean, can you imagine the harm done with aircraft carriers, Smart Bombs, Daisy Cutters, Depleted Uranium, White Phosphorus...

Boogles the mind...

[channa18]

5. What about nukes ????

picture these people with friggin nukes.

[Wilms]

10. You're right. Thank GAWD we'd never use them.

[Left Below]

17. Pakistan has nukes and radical Islam and a hated

enemy in India. Of course, Bush just sold them nuke-delivery F-17s to coddle the military dictator there for a while.

These people cannot handle democracy. They are a mobocracy/theocracy. Bush has not just failed, he is enabling them.

[catmother]

23. my thoughts exactly. democracy is not for everyone. just take

a look at saddam's trial -- he's yelling -- the judge is yelling back. WTF

israel also has the bomb and back when iraq was trying to take over kuwait and the US went in and saved them -- iraqi's were bombing israel -- israel held back because we asked them to, but i certainly remember the pictures of israel's putting on gas masks and some of the bombed buildings. if israel would react now -- i would not blame them.

[JDPriestly]

32. Democracy is for everyone, but democracy can exist only

in a society that values reason more than blind faith. We should be watching the warning signals in our own country because we have right-wing fanatics that would act like these guys in an instant with the slightest encouragement.

[catmother]

55. yes. and that scares me very much. especially after the

nomination of alito. the right wingers have too much power in this country.

[me b zola]

35. That is what Valerie Plame's work was meant to deter

BEFORE bush* INTENTIONALLY EXPOSED HER IDENTITY AND THE FRONT COMPANY THAT GAVE HER COVER.

[catmother]

56. but, but, but her husband was saying bad things about bush.

what else could he do???

[catmother]

6. why does everything that upsets mulsim extremists have to

result in violence? if someone made a cartoon of the pope -- catholics would be upset -- but would not react with violenence. the same if it were a cartoon of jesus -- yes christians would be upset -- and then for the jewish population -- it would be a cartoon of moses. none of these groups would be burning down buildings.

i haven't seen the cartoon but i've heard that it's a picture of mohammed with his turban resembling a bomb. well you know what i think -- what these extremists are doing -- burning embassies -- rioting and threatening other countries -- it makes me think that maybe the cartoon was correct.

i'll probably get flamed -- so be it.

[JeffR]

7. Wait for it

:hi:

:popcorn:

[catmother]

11. hey brother-in-law. how's everyone doing?

:hi:

[JeffR]

OK here

Been trying to stay away from threads about the cartoons, but had to post when I saw what you wrote.

Keep your head down!

[channa18]

12. No flame here.

[donco6]

14. No flame here, either.

I think the Muslims are being duped. Someone's inflaming them over an inconsequential cartoon for a purpose I'm not sure of.

[neweurope]

22. The purpose is to get Europe to rallye behind the US again.

That war in Iran - Germany will be participating I fear :scared:

And, yes, I'm absolutely certain that a lot of those protesters are being paid by the USA.

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[donco6]

25. I think you may be right.

I should have said, "I FEAR you may be right."

A world in flames. WTF?

[Ohio Joe]

38. so....

The US is able to start protests in both Syria and Beirut ? With the turnout and results that have occurred ? Sorry but I don't know that I'm buying that.

[neweurope]

43. You don't have to buy that. But you COULD check again who, for

instance, organized the "orange revolution" OR the big protests in Lebanon. That was an American PR-agency. You don't have to believe me. It's been documented.


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[Ohio Joe]

45. According to wiki

Regarding the orange revolution "Activists in each of these movements were funded and trained in tactics of political organization and nonviolent resistance"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution#Alleged_involvement_of_outside_forces

But it does not say they organized them. I looked at a few other sites that said much the same but I don't know anything about them so I won't link them.

I'm not sure what protests your refering to in Lebanon, if you could be more specific I'll see what I can find.

[neweurope]

46. I'm about to go to bed... just some months ago when Lebanese

demanded Syria should withdraw their troops.

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[Ohio Joe]

47. Cool, I'll see if I can find anything

Sleep well :)

[catmother]

57. me either. nt

[JohnyCanuck]

42. It wouldn't be out of line to suspect this

latest turmoil is a false flag operation, seeing as how the US has a proven history of stirring up radical Islamic fundamentalists when they figure it is to its advantage to do so. Best bet is to see how things finally shake out and ask yourself "who benefits" when all is said and done.

The Jihad Schoolbook Scandal...

Why has the US been Shipping Muslim Extremist Schoolbooks into Afghanistan...for 20 Years?

And why is President Bush hiding it?

By Jared Israel


<snip>

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/jihad.htm

[file83]

28. That purpose would be to galvanize Western support for war with Iran.

The Muslims are being used just like the sheep of so many other "flocks".

[SmokingJacket]

20. I think we're being set up.

The cartoon came out months ago. Why the sudden unrest? Maybe because pissed-off irrational Muslims make better targets than the ordinary ones who work, have children, pay taxes, etc. Are these protesters being worked up by someone, or even being paid?

I don't know, maybe this is just what it seems, but I think it's worthwhile to look deeper and think about who benefits.

[neweurope]

24. Agree n/t

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[celestia671]

30. I was just thinking the same thing...

So you're not alone. The violence doesn't solve anything. It just feeds into the image portrayed by the cartoons.

[Poppyseedman]

9. Very scary stuff indeed

that will fall mostly on deaf ears.

Most here will blame bush and his minions. which is really besides the point. bush is an ends to a means to them. We could vote the most liberal President and administration we have every had and it is not going to matter to them.

What they fail to understand is the radical Muslims want a "Dar_al-Harb" {House of War}

Everybody including progressives, socialist, liberals, neocons, conservatives, everybody will be under it and submit, if they get their way.

Europe does need to wake up and address this radical wing of Islam

[Wilms]

15. How different are the fascists using this country to take-over the world?

A lot from a given point of view...not much from many, however.

[Poppyseedman]

21. If given a choice

I'd take fascism over Sharia law anyday.

but, I do disagree with your premise that fascists are trying to take over the world.

We can agree to disagree.

[CJCRANE]

49. More dangerous...

these muslim fundamentalists are a loud, vocal and yes dangerous minority. But they are containable with standard laws and surveillance.

The neocons have the biggest military machine in the world and influence in the UK, France and Germany. If anyone suffers on a mass-scale it will be civilians in Iran or wherever else they decide to bomb.

Muslim terrorism is bad but it is not on the massive scale that the neocons try to make it. (In fact they fund and instigate quite a large part of it).

[catmother]

58. well they could fool me. these people are f***** serious. nt

[CJCRANE]

61. And how exactly

are these protesters going to affect your life?

Swim across the ocean, trek to your house and grab the Constitution out of your hands?

[channa18]

16. Excellent post.

I agree.

[rucky]

18. What makes this situation so dangerous...

is that fanaticism is "on the march" on both sides. If it were just one side or the other, things would be pretty clear cut. But as it stands now, the people running the world are insane.

[CJCRANE]

51. Not exactly -

no muslim countries have carried out or are threatening pre-emptive strikes on America or Europe. No muslim statesman has called for a "crusade" or "bring it on".

[neweurope]

27. Some of us are wide awake. Some of us cannot sleep at nights, to be

exact. But not because we see radical Muslims as the root of all evil. This is being hyped up - and I'm certain that some of those dumb boys burning flags etc. are being paid by the US.


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[channa18]

29. Good attitude....I hope you keep that attitude....

when freedom of speech is gone and theyre destroying your house.

We'll see how long that lasts.

[neweurope]

33. My freedom of speech will be gone long

before Muslims come to destroy my house!

Because both the Muslims and we are being played by the same people. A world in flames, that is what everybody will be responsible for who falls for this ploy.

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[AllieB]

40. Do you mean the "Muslim hordes"?

or the Bush junta? I'm much more afraid of the latter taking away my freedom of speech and destroying my house. The former sentiment is not only a right-wing talking point, it's also racist.

[neweurope]

44. Muslim hordes *g* Thanks for adding this.

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[CJCRANE]

53. Yeah right -

and how many muslim countries have carried out "shock and awe" attacks on America and Europe?

[salin]

54. The idea that they would be able to take over our country

sort of reminds me of the fears pushed by Reagan of the Great Risk posed by Nicaragua in the eighties - as if it was likely they would get all the way through Mexico and come blow up and take over America.

Fears often defy logic.

[file83]

31. I agree with your speculation concerning the use of "plants" in crowds...

...but only for the photo ops that get spread internationally. The fact is that there are so many people doing it and it is such a common widespread practice that the "plant" theory doesn't explain it. These people are being flamed but I have no clue who is doing the fanning.

My point is that I agree there is western manipulation going on, but it isn't necessarily at the street level. It's coming from a more mid-level leadership position.

[neweurope]

34. Lately I've even been suspecting that Ahmadinejad is being payed

by the US, Lord help me. I might be going nuts but please don't forget that your government just got an immense sum for propaganda!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/pentagonrollsoutstealt...
"$300 million Pentagon psychological warfare operation includes plans for placing pro-American messages in foreign media outlets without disclosing the U.S. government as the source, one of the military officials in charge of the program says.
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The description of the program by Mike Furlong, deputy director of the Joint Psychological Operations Support Element, provides the most detailed look to date at the Pentagon's global campaign."
That is only added to what they've already been doing in the psy-ops section.

And also don't forget how easy it is to whip up a crowd who already has a grievance. Hell, I could do it, I'm very sure of this. You don't need many people for that.


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[CJCRANE]

48. But muslims in genral have much more to fear.

These protests are scary but they are a minority.

The invasion of Iraq and killing of 30,000 civilians is a much bigger crime. The next pre-emptive bombing on a muslim country will also be a much bigger crime than any flag burnings.

[CJCRANE]

50. Them and whose army?

The neocons and "coalition of the willing" have killed 1000's more innocents than the handful of al-Qaeda operatives ever could.

[SillyGoose]

13. This is f***ing insane. Blood in the streets, nukes, burning embassies

all because of cartoons. These extremist radical muslims are doing a great job proving the stereotype that they are a bunch of violent fanatics. They're a bunch of hypocrits. Arab papers publish horribly offensive anti-semitic cartoons and yet the world is expected to tolerate extremist muslim calls for more terror attacks, nuclear bombings and burning embassies.

One protest organizer explained simply, "the language of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Usama Bin Laden is the only language that they understand."

I hope mainstream muslims get statements out there real fast condeming this crap because this has gone far enough.

[catmother]

59. i totally agree. n/t

[JDPriestly]

19. Everyone has the right to nonviolent protest, but it is reciprocal.

If Muslims claim the right to protest and express themselves freely, they have to grant that right to others including the cartoonists who have the right to protest and ridicule the violence and repression and intolerance of Muslims. Lots of people, including many Americans, don't understand that rights are reciprocal. You can't claim more for yourself than you are willing to give others. We have the right to express ourselves freely so long as WE DO NOT CALL FOR ACTUAL VIOLENCE. Calling for concrete acts of violence is off limits. I believe that how specific the call for violence has to be to be barred should depend on the situation. There is the famous quote to the effect that yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater is not permitted. I'm not an expert on free speech so I don't know whether that standard still applies in our courts, but I think it makes sense. Judging from the crowds and fires in the photo, calling for violence in such an explosive situation should not be allowed althought peaceful protest should be. The Muslims came to Europe as guest workers. I oppose guest worker programs because I lived in Europe. It is unwise to invite or allow people to work in your country without offering them the responsibilities and benefits of full citizenship.

[catmother]

26. so they bite the hand that feeds them. if they're so pissed they

can always go back to their country of origin.

[salin]

36. certainly scary stuff

fanatics with weapons are always scary.

Interesting site - scrolled down to see the stories they link to - lots of fox news items - some others as well including a weekly standard item from last summer (Hayes) - claiming the al qeada saddam connection. Didn't read further, and had to wonder how much of the site has a tinge of bias - just some of their linked items? Perhaps some selection bias? Or perhaps a tendency to hype reporting to make it even scarier?

That said - since just after 911 I have said that Bushco got the point of OBL wrong... the point to me seemed to be a) unite the islamic world and then b) reshape it into a taliban type power. Thinking the whole action was about "freedom" and "our way of life" always seemed to be off the mark. No better way to band people together than to have a threat (perceived or real) from a "them" against "us". Our policies have done nothing but play into this dynamic. It would appear to me that there are those who jumped on the opportunity presented by the cartoon - to flame the "us/them" dynamic - not unlike the way Milosovic used to do with the Serbs against various thems - and he, too, was able to whip folks up into a violent mass hysteria.

[malaise]

37. Anyone who believes these demonstrations are

just about a cartoon doesn't understand the state of planet earth today.

[channa18]

39. OR...They damn well understand and dont want you to. nt

[breakfastofchampions]

60. Then what are they about? n/t

[AllieB]

41. Counterterror is a right wing blog

They have a link to Little Green Footballs, among other despicable websites. How about finding a more credible source? DU thanks you! :-)

[Moderator]

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