Muslims protesting world wide over a. . .Cartoon???

[SammyBlue]

People rip on my people (Jews) all the time. The ADL may get their panties in a bunch but I don't see Jews getting up and burning a country to the ground.

This is getting horribly ridiculous! Announce your discontent, but why this over blown idiocy over a political cartoon?

Don't give me, it's offensive to their religion! So are most comedians when they rip on Jews! Develop some sense of humor! Religion is a target to political commentators and comedians. That's called life!

Now, Sammyblue. . .prepare to be flamed!!!

[SillyGoose]

1. You won't get any flames from me. I agree with you. nt

[corporate_mike]

24. I support Denmark (and the Danish press' freedom of speech)

[Clark2008]

99. I support free speech and religious tolerance.

[Midlodemocrat]

2. I believe it is more an issue that the prophet is never to be

depicted in an image. I gather from what I have been reading that this is the basis for their anger. It is considered sacreligious to depict Mohammed in any manner.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. And to depict him as a child molestor.. well, that's not helpful. Still

not a reason to riot in my book, but that's just me.

[Dutch]

94. None of the Danish cartoons depicted Mohammed as a paedophile

cartoons like that have ben circulated among the rioters in an attept to further enrage them, but were not amongst the original Danish cartoons. But I agree, it still wouldn't be reason to riot.

[CottonBear]

21. Muslims can't depipict him. Non-Muslims can. It's that simple.

Poor, uneducated, male freeper type Muslims who will most likely never travel beyond the borders of their countries protesting an editorial cartoon in a European paper is absurd. They are being played and used by their political leaders and politicians just like our own home-grown freepers are being used by the GOP.

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[Karmakaze]

54. Racist bullshit...

No Muslims have any education?

What a load of bullshit.

[kittynboi]

57. Not in the middle east.

Anyone who burns down a building over a drawing is clearly ignorant and uneducated.

HEre's a good example. After the idiotic iraq war, when things were getting worse and worse, some morons over there proposed that all education at the elementary levels begin not with math or reading, but memorizing the koran. As one murderous butcher said; "The most important thing for a child to know is religion."

If that is a widespread sentiment in the middle east, then saying they are uneducated is an understatement.

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[Nederland]

72. Please

The ten commandments are a manual for genocide? The Bible as a whole perhaps, but the ten commandments themselves don't recommend killing anyone for anything. In fact, I'm pretty sure one of those commandments says you shouldn't kill.

Maybe I'm wrong though... :eyes:

[Karmakaze]

78. No - I am directly stating...

That the way you paint ALL muslims by the acts of a few (remember Muslims make up 1/4 of the worlds population) would be the same as me saying YOU are an uneducated, ignorant thug because of the acts of some Christian fundamentalists.

Get it now?

[blurp]

92. You're way off.

The only ignorance here is coming from you.

You apparently can't tell the difference between a religion and a race, so you should refrain from calling others ignorant.

[Dutch]

95. Yes, that seems to be a common disorder around here

Actually I suspect it might be rooted in a perception that Muslim automatically equals Arab, which is arguably racist in itself - at the very least it's deeply ignorant.

[CottonBear]

58. I didn't say that.

The type of people who are easily manipulated by religous leaders and politicians (both in the Western and Middle Eastern countries) are typically those religous people with no post-seconday education and little opportunity for economic advancement.

The protesters are being used by the various religous and political leaders to influence events in the Middle East. I suspect that much of this manufactured outrage has something to do with the Iranian nuclear issue.

[blurp]

91. "Islam" isn't a race.

[CottonBear]

59. Good question? The Muslims that I know are highly educated American

citizens. In fact, the owner of my local ISP is a leading Muslim in my community. His mosque partnered witht the local synagogue and a Baptist church to build a Habitat for Humanity home called "Abraham House."

I live in a University town and many Muslims from all parts of the world live and atttend school here. Their children attend schools with the children of our city. One of out local elementary schools has children form many countries and religions who attend.

[FreedomAngel82]

37. Sounds like it

To drum up the Iran war.

[CottonBear]

60. Exactly. We are all (Muslim and non-Muslim) being manipulated

in the build-up to something happeneing in Iran.

[kittynboi]

25. So?

IF Muslims don't think he should be deipcted then Muslims shouldn't depict him. Don't expect non Muslims to follow Muslim rules.

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Right

Just like I as a Christian wouldn't expect a non-Christian to follow the same beliefs of me. :shrug:

[Karmakaze]

55. yeah Christians would never do that!

"Piss Christ proved to be of more than historical interest when once again it became the subject of a number of attacks. The first attack came from the Catholic archbishop of Melbourne Dr. George Pell who, considering the work to be blasphemous, applied unsuccessfully for a Supreme Court injunction to prevent the National Gallery of Victoria from exhibiting the work. But where the gavel failed the hammer of two youths succeeded, by prompting Dr Timothy Potts, the director of the NGV, to cancel the show. Dr Potts claims that he acted out of concern for the safety of his staff, although the general opinion seems to be that he acted hastily primarily out of anxiety for the Rembrandts."

http://www.artsandopinion.com/2004_v3_n3/pisschrist.htm

[Nederland]

67. Interesting

I'd have to point out that the use of the word "attack" differs greatly in the two contexts. I'm pretty sure the archbishop didn't burn any buildings down. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Karmakaze]

81. I wasnt refering to the Arch Bishop...

but the two "thugs" who threatened the gallery.

[Rigby Reardon]

70. Well, how many building were burned, or people killed

over piss Christ?

The rioters have become what they were rioting against.

[Karmakaze]

85. Except as far as I have seen they did not kill anyone...

in fact it is they who have been killed.

As for the Piss Christ, death threats flowed thick and fast WHEREVER it was displayed including in Australia, not renowned for its fundy types...

The fact is that this is NOTHING peculiar to the Muslims, but is common in all cultures and races - not that anyone here seems willing to admit it in this context.

If you think about it, the rioting has very little to do with the cartoons themselves, but more to do with the western attitude that created them - Muslim's are crazy violent people who must be looked down upon, mistreated (banning all religious affectations in France purely so they could target Muslims without seeming racist for example) and if possible converted to our way of life (and irradicated if not).

The western media has for decades now painted Muslims as nothing but terrorists and psychopaths. Is it any wonder that they end up acting the way they are expected to?

[Behind the Aegis]

87. Is it any wonder that they end up acting the way they are expected to?

:eyes:

Talk about patronizing!

[FreedomAngel82]

36. So they can't have pictures of Mohammed?

:shrug:

[Midlodemocrat]

44. That's what I have been reading.

No images of Mohammed. I read somewhere on the web yesterday or the day before that that was the reason the Muslim world was so upset.

Disclaimer: I do not know a ton about Islam, but more than one person who is schooled in world religions did say that.

[FreedomAngel82]

45. Interesting

I haven't heard of that. :shrug:

[Ani Yun Wiya]

77. Images...

of Muhammed did not exist when he was alive.
Therefore any depiction is a patent falsehood, not merely a "cartoon".
That the "cartoons" were beyond that, insulting and demeaning is another offense.
That no retraction or apology was made, escalates the matter a third time.

At what point should strenuous objection occur?

Perhaps the "west" needs to learn more about other culture's outlooks.

[Midlodemocrat]

100. That's what I have been told.

And frankly, I can see Muslims being upset by that. If it is considered blasphemy to depict the Prophet, I think non Muslims should respect that.

[Bosun]

61. they can.

It's quite common in Iran actually.

[Quakerfriend]

3. I totally agree with you. And, I wonder

do you think that perhaps some of the violence has been incited by US gov't?

I'm beginning to think it might be, given their obvious 'desire' to go to war with another Muslim country (ie, Iran).

[Mike Daniels]

27. Given that the US has been publically critical of the cartoons' pulication

I don't see how your agrument can even begin to hold any water.

[kittynboi]

28. Extras.

This all REALLY started thanks to three mysterious edited photos or something. You see, the drawing controversy was pretty much over, UNTIl some group of Muslim Imams went to the Muslim world, showed the images, but also included three others. One of Mohammed as a pedophile, one of him being sodomized by a dog, and another of him with a pig snout.

Now NO ONE knows where these really came from, who did them, or ANYTHING. Some people think the Imams created them. I think they did too, but I also think, based on only my speculation abnd cynicism, that deep undercover agents in the Muslim community HELPED them and egged them on to do this, agnets working for our government, as a plot to incite this violence.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Ding ding ding

[NaturalHigh]

4. Actually, I'm fine with them protesting.

I'm fine with them being pissed off and boycotting if they want. It's burning down buildings and issuing religious edicts calling for the murder of the cartoonists that I find sickening.

[xultar]

9. Agreed. Protest all you want. March. Boycott. Don't burn shit and

kill people and tear up shit.

THAT IS EFFED UP.

They are proving the cartoon correct IMHO.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. Which is so strange

[Karmakaze]

56. Yeah, it's not like Christians would do anything like that...

Well except for Pat Robertson of course...

[NaturalHigh]

96. Please share any Christian religious edicts...

demanding that cartoonists or authors be murdered that you know of. I personally know of none.

[Cobalt Violet]

5. But it's such a "peaceful religion".

:puke:
:hide:

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. It is. What you are seeing now are the actions of their version of Focus

on the Family followers. But they also have their Jimmy Carters and Bill Moyers, and for those people it is a peaceful religion.

[ProfessorGAC]

11. Same Thing I Said To My Wife

We're seeing the radical right wing of the Islamic world raising their frothing voices, just like the radical right christians around here. Remember Eric Rudolph. Not exactly a peace loving guy.
The Professor

[FreedomAngel82]

48. They're more a like than people think

Fundies and Muslim extremists.

[kittynboi]

29. Who are they?

Where are the Muslim Carters, Moyers', Spongs, Ghandis, Kings, and Lynns?

I know of Irshid Manji, and a number of progressive muslim websites that oppose sharia, but why do they NEVER get any press?

[Warpy]

33. Same reason the unions don't get positive press in the US

nor do progressives, nor do even wishy-washy liberals. Giving positive press to positive groups doesn't whip up hate and serve the masters.

[GreenPartyVoter]

50. Why do any liberals fail to get press?

[GreenPartyVoter]

73. Here's an article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=376254&in_page_id=1770

And a blog entry: http://www.safiyyah.ca/wordpress/?p=228

[liberalpragmatist]

75. There WAS a "Muslim Gandhi"

Firstly, here are a few blogs written by European Muslims that are VERY good:

http://www.blogistan.co.uk/blog/

http://www.aqoul.com/

http://www.safiyyah.ca/wordpress/?p=228

http://farahssowaleef.blogspot.com/2006/01/i-believe-i-believe-i-believe.html

All of these websites have a lot of good writing on the whole flap.

http://www.altmuslim.com/

This website has a number of excellent essays on the whole controversy.

***

However, I promised you a piece on the Muslim Gandhi. Please read about the mid-20th-Century Pashtun (Afghan) leader Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, known in pre-independence British India as the "Frontier Gandhi," as he was a close associate and friend of Gandhi's, who nevertheless developed his own ideas on nonviolence and social reform independently and through inspiration from the Qu'ran:

http://www.progressive.org/mag_amitpalabdul

A Pacifist Uncovered
By Amitabh Pal
February 2002

It's tragic that India and Pakistan are almost constantly in a state of animosity and are now facing off against each other with nuclear weapons. It's also ironic, since both countries can claim pacifist pioneers. India has Gandhi, as most everyone knows. But few people know about Abdul Ghaffar Khan, a proponent of nonviolence and social change who lived in Pakistan.

Khan resided in what is now the North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan, and he was affectionately known as the "Frontier Gandhi." As Gandhi was given the title of Mahatma, meaning "Great Soul," Khan was given the title Badshah, meaning "Leader" or "King."

<snip>

Khan once told Gandhi of a discussion he had with a Punjabi Muslim who didn't see the nonviolent core of Islam. "I cited chapter and verse from the Koran to show the great emphasis that Islam had laid on peace, which is its coping stone," Khan said. "I also showed to him how the greatest figures in Islamic history were known more for their forbearance and self-restraint than for their fierceness. The reply rendered him speechless."

Khan interpreted Islam as a moral code with pacifism at its center.

"Badshah Khan told people that Islam operates on a simple principle--never hurt anyone by tongue, by gun, or by hand," says Begum Nasim Wali Khan, Ghaffar's daughter-in-law, who is the provincial president of the Awami National Party. "Not to lie, steal, and harm is true Islam."

[BushOut06]

8. Oh boy, popcorn time

:popcorn: :hide:

[xultar]

12. It is peaceful...Just like all others. Christians had the Crusades

Jews killed their own leader. There are always FREAKS in the bunch.

The only true peaceful religion I know is Buddhism. That is where I'm headed after I finish the bible.

[GreenPartyVoter]

16. Here, check out some of these liberal versions of religions

I have been able to find on the web. There's a link for Buddhism too.

http://www.hostdiva.com/liberalchristians/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=28

[Bellamia]

38. HI, Green Party Voter.

and a big THANK YOU for the website "hostdiva". Just what I've been looking for!

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. Any time. :^) Just keep in mind to get the liberal christians page you

have to use the whole addy or else you will go to my host's homepage. (A very generous lady donated webspace, templates, and tutoring so that I could move my site there. I am not finished with it yet, though. Have a lot more stuff to move.)

[YOY]

18. Taoism isn't exactly a mindbogglingly 'black and white' situation either

I believe one of the tenants of the faith is "be permanently chilled out and go with the flow."

Any religion can be twisted towards violence...even Buddhism or Taoism.

[TechBear_Seattle]

15. Please do not confuse Wahhabism with Islam

Most Muslims consider the Wahhabi sect, which is the state religion of Saudi Arabia, to be heretical. It is the Saudis who are spreading fanaticism and fanning the flames of religious hatred, using American oil money to do it. Most Islam is a peaceful religion.

[Cobalt Violet]

20. Maybe I missed the clerics calling for the violence to end.

So now it's okay for someone who drew the cartoons to go about their life without threat? The Peaceful leaders of this "peaceful religion" have spoken out against this?

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. I read that in some places Imams are actually wading out into the sea

of people trying to calm them. You might check some of the World news sources to see if there are any statements from clerics concerning nonviolence.

[TechBear_Seattle]

23. When was the last time you saw Christian religious leaders

... call for an end to Christian violence? Robertson, Benedict, Lindsay, Falwell and other "prominant Christian leaders" are the ones calling for violence against gay people and atheists and women who refuse to meekly submit. Therefore, Christianity is a violent religion? Or could it be just that the only people getting media attention are the extremists? Remember, it serves the Junta's agenda very, very nicely to have all Muslims portrayed as violent fanatics; please don't buy in to the right wing lies.

[kittynboi]

31. Yes.

""call for an end to Christian violence? Robertson, Benedict, Lindsay, Falwell and other "prominant Christian leaders" are the ones calling for violence against gay people and atheists and women who refuse to meekly submit. Therefore, Christianity is a violent religion?"

I would say yes. There are non violent xians, but I see them as the exception fighting against the grain.

[Cobalt Violet]

32. A pope spoke out against the war in Iraq.

And the prisoner abuse scandal.


I don't buy into any religious groups lies including that they are peaceful. I don't see any religion as peaceful.

[TechBear_Seattle]

41. That would be the dead pope, right? n/t

[SillyGoose]

66. The new Pope did as well. He also mentioned the dangers of fundamentalism

Benedict also issued a warning about fundamentalism.
"Religious fanaticism, today often labeled fundamentalism, can inspire and encourage terrorist thinking and activity," he said.
...
Benedict paid tribute to his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, who vigorously opposed the war in Iraq, and said the church would continue "serving the cause of peace."

At a news conference about the peace message, Cardinal Renato Martino, head of the Vatican's pontifical council on peace and justice, was asked if torture could be a legitimate tool to gain information that might prevent terror attacks.

The prelate replied that there was no justification for using torture, which is the "humiliation of the human person, whoever he is."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_peace_obstacles

[Canuckistanian]

19. These people are actually acting AGAINST their religion.

Much like the KKK acted against their own religion.

[Taxloss]

10. I agree completely.

This display of orchestrated anger is extreme hypocrisy.

I even wrote a thread about it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=322801&mesg_id=322801

[MadHound]

13. There are religious zealots in every culture

Who are offended by any percieved threat or outrage they percieve. This has occurred in all religions, and will continue to do so. It isn't just a Muslim thing friend, it is present in all religions. Sadly, that seems to go along with the territory of any religion.

I think all such faux outrage is ridiculous.

[EFerrari]

14. What country has been burned to the ground?

Did I miss something?

[YOY]

17. I think one thing to consider here is the education level of the rioters

I highly doubt many doctors, businessmen, and lawyers in the Muslim world are the ones doing the rioting and getting violent. It's the Islamic equivalent of the low-income-end freeper... They have nothing but their religion and will hold on to that little that they have with fervent abandon.

The mental structure that comes from ardent faith (seeing things in black and white) doesn't exactly quell the fires of powerlessness and instructs the powerless faithful to return the favor in the only way a poor and uneducated man can: with violence.

It's socio-economic and it affects all religions...it's just that Islam is especially volitile by both the means of extensive media coverage and current events.

[Warpy]

30. Christians countrywide protesting over a crucifix in yellow liquid?

Oh, my, these silly religious people really need to get lives, don't they?

Why the hell didn't the Danish just apologize and get the insanity over with? Both sides in this are acting stupid.

[ProfessorGAC]

34. Correct!

Both sides are acting stupid, indeed. The paper should have just apologized for being insensitive, and the protestors should have assiduously avoided violence. But, it is now too late. The damage is done, and i fear, beyond repair.
The Professor

[Yupster]

49. Don't you think the damage could be the repair professor?

If the angry mob sees enough cartoons, they'll notice that their prophet and religion survives just fine even with an occasional cartoon.

Maybe then they'd learn to not look, change the channel, cancel their subscription, etc.

Isn't that what we all learned about age ten.

Isn't this the solution happening right now? As long as the world doesn't knuckle down to the angry mob's bullying.

[ProfessorGAC]

52. Anything Is Possible

But, this sort of rampant outrage is not usually ameliorated by the diffusion of additional exposure. I hope you're right, but i'm pessiimistic.
The Professor

[FreedomAngel82]

35. I don't get it either

:shrug:

[leesa]

40. Or could it be that we are once again preparing to bomb a Muslim country

for absolutely NOTHING. Perhaps THAT is what's really got their undies in a bundle...maybe you could relate to that bigotry.

[SammyBlue]

53. This latest flare up started over a political cartoon

Not about our saber rattling with Iran. Personally, I believe I can relate to that "bigotry" very well.

However, the entire concept here is religion gone wacko! This is what happens with religion takes over life.

My point is to develop a sense of humor and laugh! These people don't, apparently, since the last time their knickers were in a twist, France burned!

If we Jews burned things every time someone ripped on the Jews, the country would be in flames!

[tlsmith1963]

42. Fundies are Always Like This

Look at the "War on Christmas" thing with the fundie Christians. Total over-reaction. So I'm not surprised that Muslims would get so upset over a cartoon. The world is suffering because the fundies of *all* religions have such thin skins. So I agree--Muslims need to get over it.

Tammy

[Yupster]

51. Was that an overreaction?

When they get offended don't we want them to protest and boycott?

Just don't burn shit.

That's what the angry mobs in the Middle East should be doing now too. Protest and boycott all you want. Just don't threaten violence or burn stuff.

As far as what they have the right to be offended over? That's completely their call. They can get angry over anything they want no matter how silly. They can boycott and protest all they want. As long as they don't break things.

As far as I remmeber, the fundie Christians did just what a free society wants them to do. When they felt insulted they protested peacefully. I don't know what more you could want from them? I certainly don't think we want to get to the point when the rest of us tell fundies what they can and can't feel insulted about. That's their call.

[Karmakaze]

62. Yeah Fundy Christians have never done anything like this...

Well except for murdering Doctors who perform abortions, planting bombs in abortion clinics or sending death threats to such people and places...

[Nederland]

71. Big difference

The is a huge difference between bombing a place that you believe is murdering people and bombing a place that is publishing cartoons you don't like. Furthermore, the largest Christian groups all denounced bombing abortion clinics, as opposed to the deafening silence from the largest Muslim groups over this issue.

[Karmakaze]

80. Is there?

Muder because of abortion, is less serious than arson because of blasphemy?

Or is it just that one happens in YOUR culture, whereas the other happens in "their" culture?

[Behind the Aegis]

88. Abortion is murder?!

[Nederland]

97. That's what they believe (nt)

[Nederland]

98. I'd have to ask a Muslim

...if they thought murder is worse than blasphemy. I guess I was assuming that if a Muslim was given a choice between someone shitting on the Koran or someone killing his children, he'd chosen the former. Perhaps I'm wrong though, and blasphemy really is so offensive to Muslim that they would choose the latter. Do you have any proof either way?

[Yollam]

64. Supposedly muslims.

Those signs all looking the same like that made me wonder if they weren't paid by the RW to put on a show...

[Karmakaze]

65. I can't believe the amount of racism being displayed in these threads...

I keep having to look at the address bar to make sure I am not at freerepublic.com.

It is disgusting.

[SammyBlue]

69. Your view of racism and mine are completely different.

I see nothing wrong with telling people to lighten up a little. Catholic and Christians get all bent out of shape in the same way. They revert to violence.

People rip on Jews all the time, yet you don't see us going crazy, banning things, burning embassies and roiting!

That's my point.

[The Stranger]

74. Then get educated.

Do us all a favor. Learn about disempowered groups and peoples and the struggles that they face. Learn about the lack of alternatives -- no political or financial power to undo those who demonize them. Learn about how some are marginalized and treated as a subhuman "Other" in order to be further exploited. Ask yourself why this is happening during another buildup to yet another illegal war.

[SammyBlue]

76. Okay, Mr. Insulting

self delete. I don't want to get banned!

[Behind the Aegis]

82. Reality wake-up call...

If the offense is against Jews, no big deal. Have you not seen the other threads where the paper that published these photos is a Jewish newspaper?! I mean...they have a 6-pointed star. :eyes: Did you miss that the Mossad is behind the protest in the UK...oh, and behind the Muslim group that condemned it! :eyes:

Sammy, have you not seen that there are some here that will blame Jews...er, Israel, for all the evil in the world?

[Karmakaze]

79. Telling people to lighten up a little...

is very different from saying that all Muslims (or even all Middle Eastern Muslims) are uneductated, ignorant inbred thugs as has happened on this thread with very few voices being raised in protest.

As for not seeing Jews "go crazy", I wouldnt say that specifically, but I seem to remember an Israeli Prime Minister being murdered by a fundamentalist Jew who went "crazy".

Don't pretend that these sorts of people can't be found in every race and every culture.

[Behind the Aegis]

84. And what about the racism...

...that is laying the blame at the feet of the Jews?

[salin]

83. I could be wrong - but I don't think the violence is really

about the cartoon. It hits me as more a spark on an already smoking pile of leaves of discontent that was already incendiary and just needed some whipping up to fan flames. When I first read about the rioting for whatever reason what came to my mind were the riots in this country in the late 60s - when great anger, dispair, frustration was set over the top. Riots were sparked by assasinations - but were about much more than those deaths - and whole swaths of neighborhoods in cities ended up in flames. Not comparing the sparks - but comparing the on edge societal points that set preconditions for flames to shoot up given a spark. No excuses being given - just a perspective that sees the rioting as bigger than a single incident (eg the cartoon itself.)

[Gullvann]

86. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem has stated that the reason this

is taking off now is because it is easy to be a bully to a small nation like Denmark.

[salin]

89. That could explain leaders fanning flames

but I doubt this in the minds of those whose flames are being fanned - but as I said, I could be wrong.

[malaise]

90. Why burn when

you can just displace thousands from their homes and then built walls to keep them out.

[Behind the Aegis]

93. Clever...

...well, not really.

:eyes:

[Julius Civitatus]

101. Danish Muslims used FALSE CARTOONS to spark this outrage!

Yes, there is more to this convoluted story:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x346477