Official Senate Committee Hearing - Electronic Surveillance - Thread 5

[Viva_La_Revolution]

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[LeftNYC]

1. Hatch why dont you just answer your own questions...nt

[qanda]

4. Truly

It would make it so much easier.

[stop the bleeding]

2. Why is Hatch even wasting out time - WTF - dog and pony show!

[yurbud]

3. Gonzales brought up court supporting detention of Americans

Even though he may have been right on what court said, he made Bushies and court look very bad by bringing up an issue that people probably weren't following.

[Sydnie]

12. Agreed - a new spotlight for outrage, he thinks one will replace the

other, not piggy back each other. I think he is wrong!

Especially when we make a loud noise about Halliburton detention center contract!

[yurbud]

next he'll use torture to defend wiretapping, "Senator, we have done

much worse things that not only violate our own laws but international laws against torture and wars of aggression, so I just fail to see why this matter warrants attention..."

[Sydnie]

5. I hope this comes back to bite Hatch square on his ass!

Hatch needs to ask questions and stop leading the witness!

[tgnyc]

6. Hatch: Aren't you correct, and your critics wrong, Alberto?

Gonzo: why, yes!

[LeftNYC]

11. "Where do you want to go to lunch Alberto?" nt

[mrcheerful]

7. Hatch the brown nose rein deer

[Sydnie]

16. Thanks! I needed that! LOL n/t

[LiberalAndProud]

8. Hatch: Pres has to make the decisions, right?

[WinkyDink]

9. (Carried over from 4)

He just said "warrantless searches" are okay!
They are "traditional powers in time of war"!

That "warrantless searches are in accordance with the 4th amendment", the "president has the inherent authority".

WTHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL?????

[mrcheerful]

14. They were until Nixon abused that power, what a bunch of liers.

[LiberalAndProud]

17. Hatch: Pres has inherent power to protect our nation.

You use FISA all the time, don't you.

Gonz: I don't know that FISA needs to be ammended.

[tgnyc]

10. First Clinton reference! Campbell v. Clinton

Hatch says that case also gives Bush the OK.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. What a fucking scumbag Hatch is.

rat bastard says the prez has inherent authority. PIECE OF SHIT.

[LeftNYC]

HATCH SUPPORTS DICTATORS...

let everyone know...

[LeftNYC]

15. Now they love FISA...Thought it was old law? nt

[Nimrod2005]

18. Are the American people watching the bullshit? or just few of us

nerds...?

[LeftNYC]

22. just us nerds...

the cool people will get Hannity's views tonight...or Matthews...

[stop the bleeding]

25. if it had the word Jesus or 9/11 in the title then more sheeple would

watch but to answer your question - NO just us nerds

[Nimrod2005]

26. Shut the fuck up Hatchass punk MORON!!! What kind of looking into shit

is this line of questioning? I haven't heard one real probing question!!!

[Catchawave]

31. Hatch said millions are watching !!!

[mrcheerful]

32. Hey I resemble that remark. I think the majority are still saying nothing

to hide to fear, except when pres says terrorists are a coming to your town soon.

[LSK]

43. LOL - you have to ask?

Nobody is watching this when the Price is Right is on! :sarcasm:

[LiberalAndProud]

19. Gonz: FISA reasonable.

[LSK]

20. TERRA TERRA TERRA

"We are at war so its ok to do whatever we went."

[ShortnFiery]

27. Silly me -

I thought that, per The Constitution, only Congress can DECLARE WAR?!? :P

[Twist_U_Up]

21. Mission Accomplished: Major Combat Operations have ENDED

We will always be at war with terrorism.How convenient

[Sydnie]

28. Well, they have many "affiliates", haven't you heard? n/t

[LeftNYC]

30. Look Laura I'm wearing a flight suit...do you admire my

codpiece?

[Sydnie]

23. A war like unlike any other war -- Rise to the challenge or go home

Inherent powers of the president my ass!

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Hatch...fear! fear! fear! war! war! war! fear! fear! fear! war! war! war!

We must spy on U.S. citizens! These people are SICK!

[helderheid]

29. IF YOU HATE HATCH DONATE TO PETE ASHDOWN

www.peteashdown.org

[ShortnFiery]

38. This is pathetic ...

It's like how I sometimes cue (feed the answers to) my 12 year old to the right answers during a morning oral quiz on Social Studies. Is that a fair analyisis ... <stomp stomp> Bizarre.

[LEW]

39. Oh, so according to Hatch

Gee so sorry this is all a mistake - no problem let's go home. :crazy:

[LiberalAndProud]

86. Done.

Thanks Helderheid. Everytime Hatch opens his face, I'll send more.

I REALLY ATE HATCH

[helderheid]

90. Thank you!! :)

[emulatorloo]

33. I feel like I am watching an Informercial hosted by Hatch

[tgnyc]

34. KENNEDY TIME

[Sydnie]

35. Kennedy up! Chew him a new on Teddy! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. YAY!!!! Kennedy!!!! Thank-G-D! Rip his ass apart Ted! n/t

[stop the bleeding]

37. Mayor Quimby up n/t

[desi]

40. I hope Kennedy "slips"

..and calls him "Attorney Mitchell"...

[DemonGoddess]

44. hehe that would be great

wouldn't it?

[desi]

58. It would liven things up for sure ../eom

.

[Sydnie]

47. LOL

Wouldn't it be loverly? :rofl:

[desi]

67. Alberto would pee his pants..

..at the thought of being only the second AG in US history to go to jail...oh for another Margaret..

[Sydnie]

YES! We need another woman behind the man -- one that doesn't cry

but speaks the truth. With Gonzales though, it might be a man behind the man this time! :rofl:

[Nimrod2005]

41. Mr. Kennedy, Please tear this asshole Down!!!

[democrank]

42. Orrin Hatch.....

Ankle Grabber.

[Twist_U_Up]

48. sure was alot of lip service...........

:rofl:

[in_cog_ni_to]

Ted going into the 1976 spying and how differently it was handled

back then.

[mrcheerful]

45. Go Teddy Go

[Greeby]

46. Vote Quimby!

:patriot:

[Catchawave]

49. K explaining why FISA was created

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. "Why didn't you follow the pathway of the 1976 AG?" this should be good.

Hahahahahaha! THAEY DIDN'T NEED TO!!!! OMG.

[dogday]

51. We did not think we needed to follow the law

after all it is King George we are talking about....

[Catchawave]

66. That pesky FISA !!!!

[DemonGoddess]

52. Gonzales

didn't think they needed to go to the Judiciary BEFORE doing this???

[ShortnFiery]

59. We're at War, FISA created in 1976 - When was The Constitution

Created? Does IT (OUR CONSTITUTION) still apply?

[helderheid]

64. Welcome to DU!

:hi:
:patriot:

[mrcheerful]

53. We didn't think we didn't need to ask? WTF, these are different times

then 76?

[deminks]

54. Kennedy made an excellent point

Why take a chance down the road when we are trying cases of terrorists in the court that they will use the illegality of this program to prevent their prosecution? (Not that DOJ has won any cases so far).

[Sydnie]

60. Not that they have arrested anyone anyway! n/'t

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. Kennedy..."We had a NUCLEAR THREAT AT THAT TIME." Go TED!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

56. Ted is asking...

Is the threat of Terrorism now more of a threat than Nuclear war was then?

:rofl:

[dogday]

61. Of course Terra is everywhere

we don't know how many americans are terrorists... so we treat them all the same...

[Sydnie]

65. GREAT POINT!!! n/t

[helderheid]

57. SMOOCH KENNEDY!!!

[dogday]

68. I do not think we are wrong on this said Gonzales

Of course not, if you say you are, you have broken the law. You have broken the law big time....

[JudyM]

62. Gonzales trying to shore up his position by saying 'we're at war.'

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. Did you take the same stepes as Ed Levy? Did you seek outside

constitutional authority?

[helderheid]

69. I just noticed Gonz has the same chimpy smirk as *

[Surya Gayatri]

78. Commonly referred to as

a 'shit eating grin'. SG

[helderheid]

83. I'm sure his breath would knock you down!

[desi]

84. Theater....

..now further prostituting 9/11 by recognizing relatives..have you NO shame Senator..??

[robbedvoter]

70. W reassured the nation that he authorized it - so we're OK. All righty the

[TayTay]

79. What a jerk!

What difference does it make if Burlingame's sister is in the room? What a smarmy piece of crap Specter is.

[PATRICK]

71. I don't get how

they can argue without the deepest humiliation. First Bush shoves aside all their laws and consent and FISA, tooled especially for a presidency under a separate unequal law, and then they must hold him to account for not availing himself of the approved super powers? In essence they have to sound pathetic no matter what tack they take that avoids centering on abuse of power and contempt of Congress and subverting the law recklessly, needlessly and in perfect textbook example of the most insulting cartoonish fashion WHY there were regulations to begin with. Nixon was the textbook. Hitler was the monster. Bush is the flippant cartoon of an utterly degraded system of law.

Yet the solemn debate. Like those high society dinners when the three stooges disrupt it with pie throwing. Except it isn't funny but mean and the Congressional stuffed shirts just pretend the pie are not in their faces and keep posing.

[robbedvoter]

91. Brilliant! You summed it all up! Caesar's Senate....

[democrank]

92. You`re right on the money, Patrick.

They just "keep posing"....pie and all.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. Next lie...he doesn't think they're wrong on this. This is not an agency

running amok....2 lies. We believe this program is lawful...3 lies. We are doing everything to protect our prosecutions. 4 lies.

[Sydnie]

73. He didn't reassure me with those statements, shithead

In fact, he worried me more with those statements. Anytime he has to come out in defense of anything they do, tells me that something is amiss somewhere! n/t

[laruemtt]

74. kennedy's brilliant!

gonzoid sounds like a mealy-mouthed liar.

[displacedtexan]

75. Have you noticed that Alberto is blaming Bush...

for this whole spying thing?

Twice he's noted that "the president authorized this program."

Hm.

[Atman]

76. HOLD THE PHONE! Bush made a speech after he was CAUGHT!

Therefore, it clearly shows, according to Torture Boy, that they were concerned about the legality of what they were doing. Anyone else relieved?

:sarcasm:

[emulatorloo]

82. and there is a 9/11 widow in the audience! that makes it legal too!

EOM

[brook]

97. I think

he referred to Ms. Burlingame, sister of a pilot killed on 9/11. She has been a *shill from day one.

[in_cog_ni_to]

87. Well, I feel so much better now.

:eyes:

[dogday]

77. The pilot he is referring to, used to work at the Pentagon

was in the Military.....

[Atman]

93. He didn't just work at the Pentagon...this is too fucking unreal...

HE WORKED ON A PROGRAM INVOLVING A SCENERIO IN WHICH HIJACKED PLANES ATTACKED THE US.

What a fucking coincidence, huh?

MIHOP.

[dogday]

102. There is no way a plane hit the pentagon

too low, never touched the ground, never plowed the grass, hole too small for the size of the plane. Now I understand cell phones don't work right on planes... It is all too much for me...

[LSK]

80. anyone hear Kennedy say "was that a proxy?" when going to break

[Catchawave]

81. Is AG going to lawyer-up over the 10 minute break?

[Sydnie]

85. I bet he did that LONG ago! n/t

[dogday]

88. He need to confer with Rove

on how to get around some of these intrusive questions.....

[emulatorloo]

94. same way as always --1.terror terror terror 2. burn up dem senators time

w non-answers and platitudes

[Mr_Spock]

89. All I can say is - Gonzales is a joke

He's rediculously lying and acting like a weasel.

[speedoo]

96. Sessions introducing Mrs. Burlingame.

What a shameful thing to do.

These rethugs are truly horrible people.

[robbedvoter]

101. Who's the shill?

[Mr_Spock]

116. THESE MOTHERFUCKING CRIMINALS NEED TO GO TO JAIL!!

I'm sick to death of these assholes today.

[Sydnie]

95. Hatch is a presswhore! Leave the room and search for

a microphone, any microphone, to speak into. If a kid was there with a fisher price microphone, he would give them an interview!

[gkhouston]

98. LOL, as long as it's one of those Fisher-Price mike that

distort your voice. It might actually make Hatch worth listening to.

[desi]

104. Now we know why a "break" was needed...

...who is up next..??

[Connie_Corleone]

What does this pimping of 9/11 victims have to do with

this hearing??

[Sydnie]

106. FEAR FEAR FEAR! Scare us some more! Boogiemen are in Yemon!

If this program is vital, then do it LEGALLY!

Why can't we make the same argument they made with Plame ... if the NYT's new it, then it was widely known to all but the general public!

[dogday]

108. That's is all that they have to use as an excuse

for anything they do. 9-11 is carte blanche for them to attack any country they want and rape our freedoms to the max...

[desi]

110. Theater/DRAMA....

..she should be ashamed for allowing them to use her and OUR tragedy...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

99. Thread 6 is up!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x334437

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. oh PUKE!!! Sessions has to make a beeline to the camera.

:puke: The president hasn't broken any laws. OH MY G-D!!! They are SHAMELESS! The sister of someone killed in the Pentagon. PATHETIC PROPAGANDA!

[Skidmore]

103. How did Sessions get to be considered some kind of legal

whiz?

[mod mom]

105. Reason for the break: 911 pilot's sister offering fear of terrorists. ?:

Are US Quakers tied to al Qaeda, Debra? This is not right for the country, Debra.

[mod mom]

111. Sen Sessions, Why didn't * admin look into August PDB? wishful thinking

[insane_cratic_gal]

107. WTF when in doubt invoke 9/11

.. does she realize that Condi had a letter months before 9/11


Osama determined to attack the US!!

Put the blame where it belongs lady and get a clue.

[Nimrod2005]

109. This is SICK, SICK mother fuckers pimping 911 victims and

their families, invoking Osama's name repeatedly ---- NO shame at. I am telling you these bastards hate America, hate our values to the max!!!

[desi]

113. So they are now bringing up Plame as well....

...why are they not investigating THAT....

[Rose Siding]

112. Plame leak is TWO BIT NOTHING compared to this????

Yeah, cuz qaeda had no IDEA that phones could be tapped. :grr:

[desi]

115. After a half hour of this BS..

..forget any chance of ever looking into impeachment of the war criminals in their midst...turning this crap sham off....

[yurbud]

114. Do republican pols try to sound like ignorant jethros on purpuse?

Listening to Grassley (I think) and he sounds like one of the less articulate callers on Rush Limbaugh.

[JudyM]

117. Great question, Joe: why are you only listening in on foreign calls?

Calls within the US certainly led up to 9/11. Does the president think he doesn't have the constitutional authority to listen in on domestic calls?
Gonzales: the president was looking at the balance of all the issues involved. We didn't look at the constitutionality of whether we could listen in on domestic calls.

That is such a load of crap.

[yurbud]

118. Sounds like using Hamdi to defend this is a coordinated talking point

Is Karl Rove telling them to shoot themselves in the foot on purpose? I'm not complaining, I'm just surprised.