Official Senate Committee Hearing - Electronic Surveillance - Thread 10

[Viva_La_Revolution]

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[myrna minx]

1. Blame Clinton! Clinton did it Clinton did it! LOL.

[helderheid]

4. well, all of the world's sins eventually track back to him. :)

[myrna minx]

6. LOL. The 6 degrees of Clinton's BJ. Lol.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Poor guy

My mother always says she feels so bad for Clinton getting all the blame. I do too. :(

[A Simple Game]

84. And they sometimes even track forward too. n/t

[tridim]

5. Blame Congress too

Blame everybody except the guy who did it.

[stop the bleeding]

2. Sessions will have to answer to the big man for these lies - makes me sick

[LeftNYC]

3. "CLINTON DID IT"--Sessions uses this debunked point...nt

[Tiggeroshii]

7. It would be wise for Specter to bring in Clinton under oath.

Maybe prove a few things, yeah? Among a lot more...

[JudyM]

13. Of course a democrat would need to be under oath.

[Tiggeroshii]

18. They are a lot better at it.

Of course the only time it really matters is when they are asking him about a bj

[FreedomAngel82]

20. Can they do that??

[ihelpu2see]

10. Clinton said he got the FISA warrants and Clinton said in an

interview that GW broke the law!!!

[robbedvoter]

8. Gonzi dear - who are the "enemies" - how do you decide that?

I'd like to hear that question

[stop the bleeding]

9. Well I feel just peachy about the whole process so far - what about

you guys?

[tridim]

15. I kind of feel like vomiting

Does that count?

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. It's another whitewash. This is useless. It will go NOWHERE. IMCPO.

:grr:

[Pachamama]

25. I feel sicker and more scared than ever....this is confirming for me every

thing that I have been afraid of....Gonzales's refusal to answer the question about whether the President has the right to suspend Posse Comitatus and whether they are engaging in the opening of US Mail really shook me up.

His silence was an answer.....and not the one we want...

Things are worse than we thought....

[stop the bleeding]

28. yep - things are bad, I really have real fear for our country - I am

at a loss on what to do.

[FreedomAngel82]

46. Especially since Gonzalez isn't under oath

:mad: That's when I knew it was pure shit.

[Wind Dancer]

68. It's unbelievable.

I'm so disgusted that Gonzales wasn't sworn in.

[dogday]

11. Now Gonzales can talk to Rove and he can instruct

him as to how to get around the questions that the Democrats are asking.

[Sydnie]

17. He should come back with two answers

One to DiFi and her section 109 question and was it Leahy or Kennedy with the other?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

45. Leahy...

Asking when the program went into effect. :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Lunch break...back at 1:45 ET. n/t

[Epiphany4z]

14. Why do they keep talking

about historical cases pre FISA?

[myrna minx]

22. To poison the well.

IF they can muddy the water and make it look like George Washington and FDR did such spying, then it must be ok. They never explain that the FISA laws weren't in effect during the days of Washington.

[LSK]

23. Why ask for logic with regards to Sessions?

[Sydnie]

24. smoke and mirrors - they might as well ask David Copperfield to

appear and entertain us all. At least he would have better lighting and animals. :sarcasm:

[Kindigger]

26. That's what I said at the end of the last thread...

George Washington, intercepted letters, telegraph.

I thought this was a new kind of war?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

27. Cause it's all they've got....

And he brought it up right before lunch. When they get back, it will be a Dem's turn, but they lose the momentum to effectively rebut it.

[mrcheerful]

43. There are trying to show presidental powers are ok in war and everything

pres does while at war is ok. Here we go a family member of a 9/11 victim, we needed these wire taps before 9/11. All BS stupid sheep. They are trying to say 9/11 was a surprise. Yeah right protect us king George we can't let the quakers get with al kadia lmao.

[merbex]

21. Can you believe that Sessions?, A SOUTHERN Senator invoked

PRESIDENT Lincoln eavesdropping on the telegraph to discern the ENEMIY'S troop movements?

Uh Senator that would be YOUR FELLOW ancestor's from ALABAMA YOU just classified as THE ENEMY

But whatever keeps B* in power is okay now

[redirish28]

33. What repugs forget is that Congress in the 1860's told Lincoln He couldn't

But of course the repugs want people to forget that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. Senators will be going to the mic to speak. UGH...span showing Sessions

ahin. GEEZUS! Stop!:puke: MUTE IS MY FRIEND.

[Sydnie]

30. Ugh! I can't listen to this propoganda again

Marching the victims sister out is unbelieveable. :banghead:

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. Just hit MUTE! The Dems should be at the mic soon. LOL....

:hug:

[FreedomAngel82]

50. What happened?!

I missed it. I hope someone got it on video.

[BlueEyedSon]

31. Why are they showing Burlingame again? Non-expert, non-elected,

get her off MY CSPAN!!!

[WinkyDink]

41. Somebody ought to yell, "President's Daily Briefing! Bin Laden Determined

to Attack!" at her.

[Kindigger]

32. Burlingame

How much did they pay this beotch?

[chat_noir]

34. some lunchtime reading

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2089378

[Viva_La_Revolution]

35. Replaying the pimping of 9/11 Families...

Well, I no longer have an appetite for lunch. :puke:

[helderheid]

38. see this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x335175

[stop the bleeding]

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[Sugarcoated]

36. I hope someone brings up the obvious - probably Russ Feingold

will simply ask the most obvious. How can they be believed without oversight? Alberto can talk all day about how it's a narrow focus, but without the oversight, it's moot.

[coffeenap]

44. Yes, and how can we believe him since he is not under oath?? nt

[951-Riverside]

REMEMBER 9-11!!!

FORGET YOUR BASIC RIGHTS AS AMERICANS!!!

[Tinksrival]

40. Did you guys catch that bit

about spying being better than arresting citizens. Less of a hassle? Something like that...I didn't catch it all. Were they trying to be funny? I don't get it, I guess they were serious.

[giant_robot]

96. Yeah, that just about made me barf...

...gee, thanks Sen. Sessions! It's all in perspective now! :sarcasm:

[HereSince1628]

42. We've GOT to have Intelligence Committee Hearings about the other programs

Gonzales and Specter have conspired to keep the Judicary Hearings very narrowly focused on a narrow program within a much broader campaign of surveillance against the American citizens and legal guests.

[951-Riverside]

48. I'm really interested in the secret excutions that have been conducted

[HereSince1628]

54. Got more?

I am assuming this is about the "President has the power" statement, but do you have anything more?

I am guessing that the "shoot down" of a high-jacked airplane is one of the circumstances and that belief is supported by post 9/11 statements.

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. DARPA was suppose to have been banned. Bush broke it up and

spread it around to different agencies to spy. I wonder if that's what this is about?

[HereSince1628]

63. The question is WHAT the hell is hiding out in Homeland Security?

What sort of liason do they have going with DoD? How plugged into NSA surveillance results is the FBI, Federal Marshalls and Homeland Security?

Look at the history of government...Every fucking federal organization with "security" in the name is an intelligence gathering agency. Its inclusion in a name is like a Masonic signal.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

53. YES YES YES!

Next action alert! Letters to Senators, Reps and Newspapers!

Quote the non-answers... this is supposed to clear things up for us, but it just raised MORE QUESTIONS!!!

[Pirate Smile]

89. Sen Roberts' Intelligence Committee Hearings? I think this is

atrocious but I know Roberts' Hearings will be even worse.

[HereSince1628]

99. Unfortunately it is the ONLY committee available.

We MUST get the fascist enablers on the record if we are to have any hope of defeating them at the polls.

We Must get the fascist enables on the record if we are to have any hope of recruiting the opposition force and public opinion that is going to be needed to save the Republic.

[radio4progressives]

47. Put C-Span on Mute and Listen to Pacifica Radio coverage in between

testimony.

streaming on line: http://kpfa.org/

[Vinca]

49. I had to go out this morning, right after I heard Specter tell

Gonzales there was no need to put him under oath. I was worried I might miss something, but apparently not. It sounds like the same tired BS we've heard already. What the hell has happened to this country?

[dogday]

52. Damning Videos of Bush and Gonzales

they are caught in their lies by videotape....

[earthside]

55. The BIG Story

The BIG story out of these hearings ought to be that Bush and "Squeaky" Gonzales are asserting the president's power to do almost anything. Period.

Now we have the words, or lack of words.

Gonzales refused to answer if the Bushites are or can open First Class Mail without warrants. (Leahy question)

Gonzales did not answer if the president could suspend all or part of the Posse Comitatus Act. (Feinstein question)

Democrats should be screaming about this --- and this is the point they should make for maximum political effect:

This means that every Republican, NRA, gun owner in this country is or can be under survellience ... just because they own a gun!

If the Bushites are going to be stopped, we've got to undercut their base -- and scaring gun owners about their rights is a great place to start!

[HereSince1628]

65. gonzales has dodged EVERY question related to domestic spying

He has cut a deal with Specter to keep the hearing on issues that can't embarrass the Administration.

[mzmolly]

79. You said it!

If the Bushites are going to be stopped, we've got to undercut their base -- and scaring gun owners about their rights is a great place to start!

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. OMG! The Dems are playing the BANNED tape!

:bounce:

[dogday]

57. You bet your sweet ass they are...

and should get them as much air-play as possible.....

[robbedvoter]

58. What tape is this? When was it made?

[in_cog_ni_to]

61. The tape of Bush saying they need warrants for wiretapping.

I'm not sure of the date of it, but it shows Bush LYING HIS ASS OFF AFTER THE FACT. The spying started BEFORE 911.

[Roland99]

94. Banned? It was banned? Why and who banned it?

[Roland99]

92. Yeah, what is this tape and what does it have on it?

[democrank]

59. Good!

Somehow the truth barged into this hideous dog and pony show.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Kennedy says they will address the admin only briefing a few senators

this afternoon. I better stock up

[dogday]

60. WTF they can't play these tapes in the hearing

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[in_cog_ni_to]

64. Again, Specter REFUSED to let them play that tape. It shows Bush LYING.

We can't have people knowing the truth, now, can we? :eyes:

[dogday]

67. Time to bombard Spector's Office

with calls, faxes and emails.....

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. The rat bastards are covering up for these fascist freaks. n/t

[seshers]

62. What tape?

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. see post # 61 n/t

[gkhouston]

91. It's Bush talking down to a questioner, saying that you need a

court order to wiretap people. They've played the clip several times on Countdown already and will probably show it again in the future.

[dogday]

69. Who is that Reporter

sounds like a fucking plant to me...

[Sparkly]

71. I was just going to ask the same thing.

Pajama media? "Dan Rather knows something about us." :eyes:

[dogday]

75. Something about Pajamas Publication

Durbin was suspicious of him big time, asked him who he worked for and told him he was not familiar with his publication...

[bpilgrim]

77. pajama news

or something stupid like that

peace

[Cooley Hurd]

90. Pajamas Media - RW blogging spot...

http://pajamasmedia.com/

[Jeanette in FL]

78. Kept thinking about Jeff Gannon

says he works for pajamas media? When Durbin said he is not familiar with the publication, the reported yelled back "Well Dan Rather knows about us". Enough said.

[Mr_Spock]

87. Clearly a RW plant for the Stalinist regime in this country

This is ridiculous.

Republicans are starting to look more and more like the morons that they are...

[me b zola]

106. I believe it was Gannon (Jimmy-Jeff)

He was in the hearing room, the camera panned the audience and Jimmy-Jeff was sitting next to a protester who's shirt said "Follow the law, arrest bush*) :rofl:

[flyarm]

72. what do we know about this pajamas publicantion??

the guy just said dan rather knows about them..obviously reich wing rag??

what do we know if anything??

thx ..fly

[flyarm]

80. durbin handled that asshole well!!..but who is pajamas publication?? n/t

[Wheezy]

95. pajamasmedia.com

looks like a rightwing blog, from a cursory glance. I didn't stay there long -- didn't want to get any of it on me.

[Mr_Spock]

81. power line / pajama media? WTF are these RW MORONS

Another bunch of RW hacks pretending to be media

WTF is wrong with this country??

We're is serious trouble here as a country.

[Pirate Smile]

97. I know. This is really, really bad. I'm surprised at just how bad

this is and I really wasn't expecting much.:-(

[Mr_Spock]

105. Like all RW'ers, there's a special place in HELL for these hateful bigots

Oh, and they are Nazi-bigot-like there!!

Really, really shameful that they get into these areas of Congress!!

Makes me spitting nails angry!

[Roland99]

98. Wasn't Powerline the blog that uncovered the Dan Rather "fake" memos?

[librechik]

86. the League of RW Fighting Keyboardists

AKA "PAJAMAS MEDIA"

it's only a bunch a blogs

[Viva_La_Revolution]

73. Replaying Spectors opening questions now. nt

[Wilber_Stool]

74. Just turned it on.

Did that guy from Pajama Line(?) just threaten whoever was just speaking? I didn't recognize the speaker.

[notadmblnd]

82. I think it was Durbin.

nt

[notadmblnd]

76. What was that last comment?

senator says I'm not familiar with that publication (meaning Powerline) and reporter says Dan Rather knows about it? Who is Powerline Publucations?

[LeftNYC]

88. Isnt that a RW blog? nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

83. SHIT! The SPAN is covering up for the repukes! They're playing

a repeat and left out the very beginning where Specter REFUSES to swear in Gonzales and the fight that followed.:grr: Damnit! That was the best part of the hearing.

[Nutmegger]

102. For chrissake, what the hell is wrong with C-SPAN?

At least they won't come off as "tooooooo liberal"!! :shrug:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

103. They always cut out the good parts... you have to go to the web site

archives to see it again.

[Jeanette in FL]

85. Pajamas media

link http://pajamasmedia.com/

[notadmblnd]

93. Staff

Founders

Charles Johnson, Founder & Chief Technology Officer

Roger L. Simon, Founder & Chief Executive Officer


Editorial

Jill Stewart, Western US Editor

Richard Fernandez, Australian Editor

Jose Guardia, Western European Editor


Technical

Magnus Kempe, Director of Technology


Business

Tom Troja, VP Marketing & Business Development

Diane Wadum, Office Manager

http://pajamasmedia.com/pages/2006/01/staff_profiles.php

[Mr_Spock]

100. Seems to be a bunch of hateful RW ass holes

Not surprising.

[Jeanette in FL]

101. pj's staff - need to research

PJ Media Staff


Founders

Charles Johnson, Founder & Chief Technology Officer

Roger L. Simon, Founder & Chief Executive Officer


Editorial

Jill Stewart, Western US Editor

Richard Fernandez, Australian Editor

Jose Guardia, Western European Editor


Technical

Magnus Kempe, Director of Technology


Business

Tom Troja, VP Marketing & Business Development

Diane Wadum, Office Manager

[Viva_La_Revolution]

104. Thread 11 is up!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x336279

Mods - please lock this one. :)

[LeftCoast]

107. Locking

Next thread is up. :hi: