What happens to us if the detention camps are real?

[demgurl]

I have been nearly run off the road by a right winger. I have been told to leave the country right in front of my kids. I have been told not to send any more emails about this administration.

This government has been so private and they do not disclose very many things. They have made sure most of the world hates us all. What if they really are building detention camps? Most right wingers wish we did not exist and so many others have just drunk the koolaid. I think if these camps turn out to be real then we are on our own. The right won't hold protests or even miss us. Do you think they will overtake the guards and release us?

If these camps turn out to be real then we may be in big trouble.

[Initech]

1. I'm planning to flee to Mexico before that happens.

The repukes can kiss my ass. The border is only an hour and a half drive from my house, and it's really easy to apply for dual citizenship.

[Xenotime]

34. I read where they were real.

I read on this site, "Washington is expected to introduce a military state that rivals the Nazis in cruelty. They are already building concentration camps in the US. They plan to take millions out."

Now I read this here. It has to be true.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. I look at it this way

Noorunisa Khan, daughter of the founder of my religous order, worked for the French Resistance during WWII. She had escaped to England and could have stayed safe, but she was determined to go and do what she could against Hitler and the Nazis. She was betrayed, captured, escaped, recaptured, tortured, and burned to death in Dachau. She did what she thought was right, and lived and died by her beliefs. Can I do any less?

[bryant69]

3. Be kind of hard I would think

Who is us that you are talking about? You mean people who might vote Democratic? Or the hardcore liberal base? Or what?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[demgurl]

10. 'Us' is whoever King George feels is a threat.

I guess everyone you stated could be included in that group.

[bryant69]

19. Why would he consider us a threat?

I don't see this as very likely. Possible I suppose. But not likely.

[demgurl]

31. I guess because he hates the truth and dissent?

You would have to ask him his exact reasons but he has them and has openly expressed them with free speech zones and throwing people out of town hall meetings if they wear the wrong thing. Heck, as recent as last week Cindy Sheehan was thrown out of SOTU.

As I stated before, the thing is not what these huge (must be huge with the dollar amount they are paying) detention camps, in the US, will be used for. The question is why are they paying so much money and what government programs are they going to use it for.

I guess another point is whether something like this were ever to happen, would the right even try to do anything about it?

[SillyGoose]

4. If the camps are for us, we will have the mother of all DU meetups.

Seriously though, I don't like the idea that they're building these camps and the reasons they gave for doing it don't sound kosher to me. The RW talking heads have been standing on their heads lately trying to paint dems as being aligned with the terrorists and that really bugs the hell out of me in light of the revelation of the camps.

[coalition_unwilling]

24. LOL (about the "mother of all meetups" comment).

It's the Zyklon-B that's got me worried.

[Dhalgren]

5. The detention camps are real - it's how they will be used that is

the question. I, for one, have little doubt that they will be used for political purposes. All liberals and leftists may not be rounded up, but enough will to make the message very clear - "Conform, Consume, Obey". There are no detention camps; and they are only used to house enemy combatants...

[LoneDriver]

6. I won't passively walk into the showers.

Take some with you on the way out.

[hobbit709]

14. Your status in hell

is determined by the size of the honor guard you'll take with you.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. at least at the camp we can entertain ourselves by taunting the RW's

who get swept up with us. You know there will be more than a few 'innocents' in there with us. :evilgrin:

[demgurl]

9. You mean all those freepers who got their numbers up here?

Yes, that will be ironic. They will be clanging on the bars stating they are innocent and we will be the only ones responding to them stating that they have nothing to fear if they are innocent!

[sui generis]

8. no, if the camps are "real" then they are in big trouble

If there's anything in the world that would cause a civil war in the U.S. that would be it.

And all you non-violent protesters - just hope they feed you and don't send you to the showers.

[Angry Girl]

11. REMEMBER our Japanese Americans!

In February, 1942, three months after Pearl Harbor, the United States took unprecedented action directed at its own population. Executive Order 9066 and Civilian Exclusion Order 5 decreed that over 120,000 Japanese Americans be removed from their homes in the "western defense zone" of the United States, and incarcerated in ten "internment" camps, which were located in isolated areas of Utah, Montana, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, and Idaho. These ten camps functioned as prison cities, with populations of 10,000 to 18,000 people in each camp.

With the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the Japanese Americans in America were no longer seen by other Americans as industrious, immigrant neighbors but were transformed into enemy aliens overnight. There were no trials, no hearings to prove innocence or guilt. They were assumed to be the enemy and made prisoners, indefinitely incarcerated because of their race. Successful Japanese-Americans were informed that, according to Civilian Exclusion Order 5, they were required to liquidate all property, including homes, real estate, business holdings, and anything else that they could not carry themselves into the prison camps.

They lost their homes, property, and communities. Families were separated. After the war there was a long silence because of their shame and guilt, not unlike the victims of the holocaust.

http://www.csuohio.edu/art_photos/map.html

[tom_paine]

12. We are in big trouble

However, it may be possible that these camps won;t be used in that way until the last generations of Americans born in freedom die off.

Emperor George P. Bush, though, may use them for his Final Solution to the "Liberal Problem".

[oneold1-4u]

13. Detention for illegals?

Halliburton just got another lucrative contract (non bid) to build detention facilities for "illegals" (not terrorists) within the US.
With certain definitions that this administration has already used several times to "detain", it is a certainty that they will concoct anything they wish to detain and incarcerate anyone they deem in formidable opposition to their plans to destroy this nation as a democracy!
Surely someone in this nation should have the power to stop this whole plan or at least the monetary outflow to a company for the benefit of anarchy!

[demgurl]

17. No one has stopped them up until now.

They did state it was for illegal immigrants OR government programs! Of course, I say we have not have any big scale threats like these camps would imply and so why are we spending such extravagance in the time of our biggest ever deficit? If no one believes they are for us, why not just ask what is all the spending for? Shouldn't the government be held accountable if they are 'spending like liberals'?

[catmandu57]

15. If they are a for sure thing

Then passive resistance is out, better to die on ones feet than die on your knees. The next logical step would be to follow in adolphs path and come up with a final solution wouldn't it?
When they come for me I won't go quietly.
What will be funny though is when they round up the brownshirts, those rah rah mfers.

[Katherine Brengle]

18. were this to happen, there would be massive resistance on all sides

(politically speaking).

A lot of Americans may not agree, but most really are level-headed folks for the most part.

Of course, in the event that something really scary like this were to begin, you can bet your ass I'd be walking the streets armed and f*ing dangerous, and not alone.

[BushOut06]

22. How far into Hitler's reign did he begin the 'Final Solution'?

I know it didn't start when Hitler first took power. I'm pretty sure that the rounding up of the Jews (and gypsies, homosexuals, and other 'undesirables') and placing them in concentration camps preceded the implementation of the actual final solution, but I'm not sure by how long.

[coalition_unwilling]

25. The "Final Solution" was decided upon at the Wannsee Conference

on January 20, 1942. However, the roots of the Final Solution go back into the 1920s (at least), when Hitler was imprisoned for an attempted coup d'etat (the so-called Munich beer-hall putsch) that failed. While in prison, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, which sort of laid out his plans.

The Final Solution, however, draws as much from the Prussian\German penchant for beaureacratic organization as it does from Hitler's own peculiar anti-Semitism. The Wannsee Conference brought together the heads of 15 of Nazi Germany's state agencies to coordinate implementation of the Final Solution.

For more information, see Arendt's Eichmann in Jersualem

[Katherine Brengle]

16. they are real, but their purpose is yet to be determined.

As far as we "know" the only "camps" being built in the United States are for illegal immigrants awaiting deportation.

Unfortunately, I agree that too many are ignoring what is going on and we need to be more inquisitive (as a nation) about things that smell so funky.

[yellowdogmi]

20. At least I know I will have some good company in there

With friends like you guys in there with me. But first they have to catch me. Then they have to apprehend me. I'm small and wiry and they won't take me with out a fight. To hell with them.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

21. UH-oh

I think I took a wrong turn somehow and ended up here.

Quietly backing out....

Y'all have a nice day.

[LynnTheDem]

23. The camps are real. There is no doubt on that.

The bullshit excuse from bush admin that they're "in case immigrants having to flee their country come here in large numbers" is not real.

Customs `camps' cause for concern
Maybe a lifetime in the news business makes one paranoid. Or maybe it was just a matter of timing.
http://www.presstelegram.com/search/ci_3470080

KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M US detention ctrs
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B62C8724D%2DAE8A%2D4B5C%2D94C7%2D70171315C0A0%7D&dateid=38741%2E5136277662%2D858254656&siteID=mktw&scid=0&doctype=806

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Silencing dissent a growing trend
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/13791418.htm

[Rocknrule]

26. Are you kidding?

The RWers will be frothing at the mouth at the opportunity to throw us all in the gas chambers. Ann Coulter will probably be operating one of the crematoriums personally. Mark my words, they will be having orgasms at the thought of exterminating us.

[LynnTheDem]

27. Teach people to think of a group as "rats", "vermin", "traitors", "evil"

Exactly the way rightwingnuts do think of us, as one quick reading of FR clearly shows.

It's easy to exterminate "vermin", "filth", "traitors", "EVIL".

Ask the Germans & the Jews.

[Rocknrule]

28. I held my nose and read a bit of "Treason"

I though it was a copy of Mein Kampf with "Jew" replaced with "liberal"

[LynnTheDem]

30. Yeppers.

It's on all the telly stations and in all the media and chanted by all the pundits...Muslims = "murderers", "evil", "filth", "terrorists"...Iraqis need us to teach them....we know what's best for the world..."savages"..."liberals are traitors"..."liberals hate America"...

Not a surprise so many Americans are absolutely fine with Muslims (American or any other nationality)and Iraqis being slaughtered.

The NUMBER ONE RULE has ALWAYS been;
DEMONIZE your enemy and make them NON-HUMAN.

That's how US troops did (do) the abhorent crimes against innocent men, women & kids in Iraq. Many of the Abu Ghraib troops have spoken out about exactly that; they were told over & over the Iraqi people did 911, wanted to kill every American, were "filth", "vermin", "towelheads"...

Hitler may have used that to an astonishing degree, but he was thousands of years from being the first to do so, and the USA did it very well themselves during both World Wars, and still do it well today.

[Posteritatis]

29. Ultima ratio regum. (n/t)

[flyarm]

32. they are for real and they just got more funding last month for more! n/t

[mmonk]

33. What do you mean if they are real?

KBR got the contract to build them.

[demgurl]

37. I guess I misspoke.

I meant what if they are real in the sense that they are meant for us instead of the stupid excuse that they are for immigration emergencies.

[meisje]

35. Is this thread for real?

[demgurl]

36. I find your post mean spirited.

All that was missing was the eye rolling. If I think of something as important enough to spend my time posting, please do not put it down. You respect me and I will do the same for you.

This is a serious matter that has been coming up more and more in the news. If nothing else, I would think you would want to know why we are spending so much money on this and cutting good social programs that help the poor. Why is this program so much more important than student loans?

[Neil Lisst]

38. It's not a stretch at all to believe that Bush would use detention centers

against those in America who actively oppose his next war.

He's planning on pushing us further into war, not less. He's planning on taking the war to Iran, as well, and from there, it's a short step to treating as criminals any who actively protest his new war.

Look at what he's done throughout his reign of error. Look at his actions to keep signs away from his motorcade, to keep any protesters from getting anywhere near him. Look at his misuse of the Patriot Act and the Sedition Act to attack mere criticism. Look at how he handled the protesters in NYC in 2004 at the Pub convention.

Look at the new "don't annoy me on the internet" law.

There isn't anything in the history of Bush and this administration to suggest the slightest degree of restraint. The opposite. He would love to declare martial law. He's already neutered the congress, and the Supreme Court is packed with flunkies.

We're in crisis already, and the worst is yet to come.

[proud patriot]

39. See you there

:patriot:

[demgurl]

40. I think you will see us all there! eom