Scotty/Chimp busted on "shoe bomb" bullshit...Scotty just snickers

[Atman]

Some reporter nailed him dead-to-rights regarding Bush's assertion that the LA plot involved a shoe bomber who was planning on taking over the plane and crashing it into an LA skyscraper.

"But would a bomb just blow up the cockpit of the plane? I don't understand...it would either blow off the bomber's feet, or blow up the plane...how was this..."

Scotty literally almost laughed. You could tell he'd been nailed and he knew it. Amazingly, the PC ended immediately after that question came up. LOL! Fucking liars to the end.

[rd_kent]

1. Did they think ANYONE was going to buy this shit?

Who in their right mind would believe ANYTHING from these yahoos?

[savemefromdumbya]

38. Those Republican old ladies with blue rinses

they'd believe anything

[femrap]

41. it's the bald, fat, rich, ugly white boys that

eat up that crap for breakfast. I rather enjoy a blue rinse...

Don't blame old ladies for this country's stupidity.....it's the white males who love w and vote for him.

[savemefromdumbya]

43. LOL!

[peacebird]

57. a lot of those blue rinse ladies are sharper than you think!

I know a number of them - including my mom, who see the lies and abuses of the bush admin with crystal clarity regardless of their actual vision!

they are outraged and they are not quiet about it! these are the women who survived the great depression and WWII, Korea and Vietnam with husbands in service. They are NOT impressed.

MODS!!! We need a gray panther smilie for the blue rinse brigade!!!!

[savemefromdumbya]

58. Good Monty Python sketch here

The ladies with the blue rinses! I hear what you say it's bad to generalise.

[skylarmae]

42. say it enough times and the lemmings will believe it-

wasn't that Ronald Reagan's montra...lie or not - just repeat it and repeat it and boom - osmosis, or a reasonable facsimile occurs....

[liveoaktx]

64. VIDEO compile of those reporters sans Scotty crap

It was Alexis Simendinger

[BushOut06]

2. I can just imagine the conversation afterwards

"I told you they wouldn't buy the shoe bomb bit! Can't you come up with something just a little more believable?"

[Hubert Flottz]

3. The Keystone Kooks!

They are ate up!

[EFerrari]

28. Is Ray McGovern the name of the former intelligence pro

who organized a group of former intelligence guys, VIPS?

I heard him say once that these kleptos in charge now used to be called "the crazies" in DC in the 70s and 80s.

[Hubert Flottz]

37. They are nuts!

I wonder what the background behind Bush said today as he told that whooper? If anyone could post a pic of him telling his Tall Tale of Terra, I'd LOVE to see it!

[Stephanie]

39. here you go >

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/03/ma_273_01.html

The Thirty-Year Itch

News: Three decades ago, in the throes of the energy crisis, Washington's hawks conceived of a strategy for US control of the Persian Gulf's oil. Now, with the same strategists firmly in control of the White House, the Bush administration is playing out their script for global dominance.

By Robert Dreyfuss

March/April 2003 Issue

<excerpt>

Ever since the oil shocks of the 1970s, the United States has steadily been accumulating military muscle in the Gulf by building bases, selling weaponry, and forging military partnerships. Now, it is poised to consolidate its might in a place that will be a fulcrum of the world's balance of power for decades to come. At a stroke, by taking control of Iraq, the Bush administration can solidify a long-running strategic design. "It's the Kissinger plan," says James Akins, a former U.S. diplomat. "I thought it had been killed, but it's back."

Akins learned a hard lesson about the politics of oil when he served as a U.S. envoy in Kuwait and Iraq, and ultimately as ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the oil crisis of 1973 and '74. At his home in Washington, D.C., shelves filled with Middle Eastern pottery and other memorabilia cover the walls, souvenirs of his years in the Foreign Service. Nearly three decades later, he still gets worked up while recalling his first encounter with the idea that the United States should be prepared to occupy Arab oil-producing countries.

In 1975, while Akins was ambassador in Saudi Arabia, an article headlined "Seizing Arab Oil" appeared in Harper's. The author, who used the pseudonym Miles Ignotus, was identified as "a Washington-based professor and defense consultant with intimate links to high-level U.S. policymakers." The article outlined, as Akins puts it, "how we could solve all our economic and political problems by taking over the Arab oil fields bringing in Texans and Oklahomans to operate them." Simultaneously, a rash of similar stories appeared in other magazines and newspapers. "I knew that it had to have been the result of a deep background briefing," Akins says. "You don't have eight people coming up with the same screwy idea at the same time, independently.

"Then I made a fatal mistake," Akins continues. "I said on television that anyone who would propose that is either a madman, a criminal, or an agent of the Soviet Union." Soon afterward, he says, he learned that the background briefing had been conducted by his boss, then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Akins was fired later that year.

Kissinger has never acknowledged having planted the seeds for the article. But in an interview with Business Week that same year, he delivered a thinly veiled threat to the Saudis, musing about bringing oil prices down through "massive political warfare against countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran to make them risk their political stability and maybe their security if they did not cooperate."

In the 1970s, America's military presence in the Gulf was virtually nil, so the idea of seizing control of its oil was a pipe dream. Still, starting with the Miles Ignotus article, and a parallel one by conservative strategist and Johns Hopkins University professor Robert W. Tucker in Commentary, the idea began to gain favor among a feisty group of hardline, pro-Israeli thinkers, especially the hawkish circle aligned with Democratic senators Henry Jackson of Washington and Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York.

Eventually, this amalgam of strategists came to be known as "neoconservatives," and they played important roles in President Reagan's Defense Department and at think tanks and academic policy centers in the 1980s. Led by Richard Perle, chairman of the Pentagon's influential Defense Policy Board, and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, they now occupy several dozen key posts in the White House, the Pentagon, and the State Department. At the top, they are closest to Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who have been closely aligned since both men served in the White House under President Ford in the mid-1970s. They also clustered around Cheney when he served as secretary of defense during the Gulf War in 1991.

[EFerrari]

Thanks, Steph. Now, there's a sleeper cell. :(

[femrap]

47. What a great article....thanks!

Guess the oil companies were right when they said this war would be a 'fiasco.'

[Stephanie]

49. lots more here, if you're up for some reading >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=110&topic_id=80&mesg_id=80

[EVDebs]

59. Yup. And the real bozos were in the Reagan WH basement

and were DOD types. Tim Weiner's book Blank Check - The Pentagon's Black Budget

http://www.namebase.org/sources/PR.html

mentions the 'crazies in the basement'. It's a fact, jack !

[Botany]

4. Did you hear bush speech pattern as he was trying to sell that crap.

Halting and his worst ever ...... it was like a bad salesman.

I would like ........... to tell you ........... why this car (fill it in with what ever) ............. is the right car for you.
Would you like to ........ to take this car for a test drive?

The lies are getting too deep for bush and company.

[JanusAscending]

62. Sounded very much like his "over dramatization"of the BIG LIE

he told us all in his State of the Union Address last year??? ........speaking slooooooowwwwwly, and soffffffffttly, like he was revealing a BIG SECRET about Niger and the yellowcake.......any one else see the similarity ???? He's not very good at lying, but he's very good at making himself believed !!:think:

[malaise]

5. That was too good n/t

[oneighty]

6. Give me the keys to the plane

or i'll blow my feets to bits.

And then along came Jones slow walking Jones slow talking Jones.

Hahahahaha

180

[BrotherBuzz]

18. I'm thinking Cleavon Little as the sheriff in Blazing Saddles...

when he hold holds a gun to his head and takes himself hostage...

:rofl:

[oneighty]

21. Indeed BrotherBuzz

180

[centristo]

46. won't somebody help that poor man? -nt

[Blue_Tires]

60. lol...brilliant

[annabanana]

32. hahaha slow talkin' Jones..

I remember that...
long lean lanky Jones...

[oneighty]

36. Thats him

Great song too.

hahahaha. Give me the deed to your ranch.

180

[Atman]

7. WHOA! Bob Kur on MSRNC is repeating the "shoe bomb" question!

He didn't try to spin it, either! He repeated the reporter's question and how Scotty "didn't have an answer to that." Hey, this is getting kinda good! LOL!

[Steve A Play]

8. Who was the brave soul who asked that question?

They're probably throwing him a retirement party as we speak to celebrate his leaving the Whitehouse Press Corps. :(

[gimama]

15. Alexis,somebody..Girls ruled today :}

She's with NATIONAL JOURNAL,
who broke story on Libby:"vp made me do it"
WooHooo! IMPEACH 'em!

[SoCalDem]

17. Alexis Semindinger?

She's usually toeing the republican line :)

[mattclearing]

9. That's fucking hilarious.

Totally busted.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. I just saw the White House Reporter for MSNBC talking about...

Scott's problem and Bush naming the wrong building! He was laughing about it!

[gkhouston]

11. ...

:bounce: laughter is deadly. I do so love watching their credibility going down the crapper!

[Atman]

12. The other good line of ??? from the PC...

Asked by more than one reporter..."Why tell us about it now, four years later, after your previous assertions that discussing such things would harm national security?" One even asked directly if they weren't just trying to distract from the NSA spy scandal.

[triguy46]

13. The logic of "proving" that something didn't happen

is almost Orwellian, yet the repugs keeps shoveling this s*t out.

[gratuitous]

14. Well, well, well

I'm sure that our Fourth Estate bulldogs will be all over this on the evening news and during the afternoon cable shows, right? Right? I mean, Chimpy coming out and telling such a whopper that even Snottie can't feature defending it, all the talking chuckleheads will surely be exposing this, and not just running footage of Chimpy's lie without rebuttal, right? Right? I mean, especially when they know it's a stretcher. Right?

[stop the bleeding]

16. A DU'er on another thread on this subject said that MSNBC reported this

What a day for news

:wow:

on edit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x371108#371201


K&R BTW

[Atman]

19. So did "a DUer" on this thread!

Me...see post #7!

[stop the bleeding]

20. Doh!!! things move sooo fast around here

:blush::blush::blush:

[Hubert Flottz]

22. We need to send all the hot tips about this story to Keith ...

Obermann, so he can KO the shrub this PM!

[Atman]

26. HOLY SMOKES! Even Dana Bash is commenting on suspicious timing!

She is one of Bush's biggest fans. Amazing that she'd bring it up at all! Still went into a report hawking the story, but still amazing. The story is now even bringing up the timing.

[ClayZ]

23. I am so glad I was watching that! LOL

:rofl:

[Pirate Smile]

24. Al Franken and Tom Oliphant were mocking this on Franken's

show re how a terrorist would try to get his shoes off his feet and leave them next to the cockpit door, excuses to give the flight attendants, etc. - the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

[Hubert Flottz]

27. It must have been a smart bomb?

Damned smart!

[ryan_cats]

25. They, if they were smart would have said...

They, if they were smart would have said...
The shoe bomber would have threatened to set of the bomb unless they gave up to his demands.

What I don't think they thought through was that no American today is going to go down without a fight so while the terrorists could have set off the bomb, I seriously doubt they'd get control of a plane so they could fly it into a skyscraper.

Once again, another scrub-ya con job. Heck, they might as well go for broke and claim they stopped a nuk-u-lar attack against ALL of our major cities at once. Great going *, you saved the world woo hoo. I'm sure it's coming.

[Hubert Flottz]

29. WELL...

They had since 2002 to think on it!

EDIT: we need to realy rub the pubs noses into every stupid lie they get caught up in!

Ask them ...WHO WOULD JESUS BULLSHIT?

[phylny]

66. You're absolutely right that passengers wouldn't let this happen.

I heard a report yesterday on WCBS-radio news in New York that a woman on a flight coming into LaGuardia Airport was drunk and became unruly, running up to the cockpit door and then TRYING TO OPEN THE OTHER DOORS, and that the passengers overtook her. The report continued, saying something like, "After September 11, passengers will not sit and allow this kind of thing anymore. They've become more proactive and will subdue anyone who threatens the security of the airplane."

[ryan_cats]

67. Which mean that the terra alert * is crowing about is so much hooey.

Which mean that the terra alert * is crowing about is so much hooey. But then again, we all knew that.

[gkhouston]

30. hmmmhmmm, catch that aroma....

the smell of stupidity, born of despereation. :loveya:

[Hubert Flottz]

34. George is the Clown Prince of Politics!

The crew in the White House, are about to reach Critical Mess! * Everything they know is wrong!

It's called Spuffit's disease...and the symptoms are...When someone's ass looks so much like their face that they don't know which way to turn. * BUSH, is ate up with Spuffit's Disease!

[LibDemAlways]

31. The story is just so laughable....

Sounds like a movie script written by a 12-year-old. Let's see I'll put some shoe bombers on an airplane. And they'll threaten to blow themselves up if they don't get in the cockpit. And once they are in the cockpit, they will fly the plane into a building. So either way the passengers lose. But wait a minute. If they had shoe bombs, why would they need to get into the cockpit in the first place? Why not just blow themselves up. OK, I'd better start over.

Jeez, you'd think these clowns would have thought this through. What a steaming pile of horseshit. I'm glad Scotty got called on it.

[flyarm]

33. oh and now the dem mayor of LA was not told about this??

sluffed over quickly by wolf nazi blitzer..

so right ..the mayor of one of the largest cities in the USA was not given a heads up on this...

wow like i said before ..i have some swamp land here in fla..and i will stock it with chimps ..real cheap..and the chimps are on me!!

what fucking fools can believe any of these fantasy's??????????

how fucking stupid do they think we are...i guess bubba down south with his two packs of beer will believe this bullshit..

but pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

:sarcasm: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

and this one for the kool aide drinkers!:spray:

fly

[iconoclastNYC]

35. has anyone contacted crooks and liars yet?

[farmbo]

40. "Crash this plane into that skyscraper, Infidel...Or I'll blow up my foot"

LOL


:bounce:

[leftstreet]

44. LOL

:rofl:

[deminks]

45. This is the funniest line of the whole day. ROTFLMAO.

:rofl:

[90-percent]

48. funny?

This could be this administration's: "Sir, have you no sense of decency?" moment!

It could mark the exact moment when America finally realized they are being lied to BLANTENTLY and CONTINUALLY by this adminstration.

does anybody vote for people that lied to them? and everybody knows it?

Not likely....


-85%

[land of the free]

50. Interesting CNN commentary

I was just watching "Situation Room" and even Blitzer mentioned about the timing of this event. He tossed it to Dana Bash, who said basically the reason that Gov't officials say they released this information now is because it helps bring support to the idea that our government needs to protect us. She said something to the effect of this (paraphrased): "goverment officials want to give us the information so it lends credibility to the government's actions. If us reporters can go stand in front of a building that was threatened, it makes the threat seem more real." She also said that "the Republicans will make safety and national security a major issue for this election year". So, basically she summed it up as a PR and political move.

Also, they made it very clear that no one in the government said that this terror plot was foiled by the illegal NSA wiretaps. Obviously, the folks at CNN were just as skeptical as we were about the timing of this. They did say, "the Bush administration has said that the NSA wiretaps have foiled several terrorist plots inside the US, but they would not say that this particular terror plot was discovered via wiretaps."

They're also showing the clip of McClellan reacting to the fact that the mayor of LA was never informed of this until today. Funny. CNN is virtually coming right out and saying this is a PR stunt.

BTW, why is it that if terror threats on airplanes are so serious, the government decided to reduce the amount of screening & allow previously banned items back on planes a couple months ago? I seem to remember that before Christmas, they said that starting this year you wouldn't have to take off your shoes, you could take small items such as nail clippers, etc. on board.

This is all such BS. I hope all of the MSM will review with this so-called story with skepticism and report the riduculous nature of it.

[newyawker99]

54. Hi land of the free!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[land of the free]

55. thanks! and btw...

thanks for the welcome!

BTW, I was really happy to see that this was the #2 story on tonight's NBC Nightly News. They jumped on it and spent a fair amount of time explaining how this would implicate Cheney (who was not mentioned by name in Libby's testimony, as he just said "he was authorized by his superiors", but that means Cheney). They said the only person who would be authorized to allow this NIE information to be distributed would be the director of the CIA.

FYI there is more discussion of this in the thread that is in the "greatest" recommendations. Sorry, I haven't figured out how to put in a link or to recommend threads yet. Still learnin' the ropes around here after reading DU for a long time.

[flyarm]

51. open that door or i will blow my foot up!!

and does anyone believe that anyone would be able to stand up..or breathe??

ever heard of decompression???

or turbulance...

all easily manufactured!!

so does he blow up the foot first and then with stumppy foot storm the cockpit??


or does he blow up the foot and the plane..and then use an imaginary paper plane to hit the building??????????

i would say this is another "duh" moment for idiot son!!

shit he couldn't even get the name of the building right..his IFB in his ear must have had a "mechanical"..damn that out sourcing of professional techies!

and you thought out sourcing at Alaska Air of baggage handlers was a problem when they sliced the side of an aircraft...

just imagine poor idiot son with his mechanical today...

fly

[Vinca]

52. Poor Shrub - he's turned into the boy who cried wolf.

Even Scotty thinks it's funny.

[alfredo]

53. The US wasn't the country that broke the case. It was an unnamed

country that captured one of the alleged terrorists. How can bush take credit for foiling that plot? Oh that's right, he can do anything he wants, he the Great Dictator.

[snippy]

56. Who did Scotty's mom have to fuck to get him his job?

There is no way in the world that Rove or Bush or Card would let Scotty keep his job unless Scotty's mom has some serious dirt on Bush or Rove from the Texas political scene. Not to mention Scotty's brother Mark. Someone in the White House owes Scotty's mom "big time." I wonder why?

[Auntie Bush]

63. Scotty knows who's been seeing Jeff Gannon.

[0007]

68. Stop that right now please! We definitely don't want Mr. McClellan

getting a woody.

[Auntie Bush]

69. Not to worry. He probably can't...so move along...nothing happening. nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

61. Airplane to weaken the structure.

Shoes to finish the job.


Diabolically stupid.

[JCMach1]

65. Kick....

Now if the MSM would call them on this... the story doesn't hold water!