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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:11 PM
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Strap on your helmet---tomorrow could be a big day.
There is no single issue that Bush is lambasted for more by EVERYBODY than Katrina. Tomorrow Brown is supposed to testify.

I don't know if you've heard but his lawyer has sent a letter to Bush telling him that if he doesn't impose an order that he can't speak, and if Bush doesn't agree to provide a legal defense for Brown and PAY FOR IT , Brown is going to disclose the conversations he had with the senior administration officials (ha ha) and essentially will serve them up on a platter.

So far, the White House has not responded. They have only got until he sits down in front of the committee.

His lawyer is saying either you protect him or it's your asses !!


Either way Bush is screwed. :bounce: Tomorrow night the news could be plastered with this.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:12 PM
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1. Got a link? Thanks! n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:21 PM
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7. No link, but it's to be on cspan starting at 9:30 AM est.
I heard this same story on both CNN & MSNBC.

I think it's going to be quite interesting! Browmie is trying to muscle the WH to pay for his legal defense or he'll TALK, and the WH is being their arrogant selves and not giving into a bribe!

I'm sure the phone lines are burning tonight. We'll see what happens tomorrow.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:38 AM
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44. I will be watching!.Thanks! n/t
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:46 PM
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16. I had to dig for one, but I FOUND one. A good one.
By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 10, 2006; Page A07

Michael D. Brown, the former head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, was rebuffed in his request for a claim of executive privilege and plans to testify to a Senate panel today about his calls and e-mails to President Bush and top White House aides in the Hurricane Katrina crisis, Brown's lawyer said yesterday.

White House Counsel Harriet Miers declined to offer Brown a legal defense for declining to testify or respond to a Feb. 6 letter advising that without such protection Brown "intends to answer all questions fully, completely and accurately," said Brown's lawyer, Andrew W. Lester.

Michael D. Brown, former director of FEMA, has said through his lawyer that he will testify about communications with a number of White House officials.

Lester wrote that Brown will testify if asked about communications with Bush, Vice President Cheney, Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr., Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove, Deputy Chief of Staff Joseph Hagin, domestic policy adviser Claude A. Allen and national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/09/AR2006020901983.html How do you like that one ? Hot off the press. :beer:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:53 PM
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20. Is Allen the one who resigned to be with his famblee?
mmmm .... wonder what they have on him?
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:49 AM
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45. No executive privilege, no counsel
from the WH, so much for doing a heck of a job Brownie!

I love it! They are throwing him to the wolves after all that back patting. He must be one of the most pissed off toadies in the administration about now.:rofl:

Great link Justice is Comin! Like your nick, maybe it will! Those affected by Katrina are due some good news for a change.

In peace and hope,
Still,
V

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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:51 AM
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46. glitch dupe
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 07:52 AM by vickiss


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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:13 AM
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27. what would you like a link to?
Love your sig line...:kick:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:19 AM
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30. The future
:D


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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:01 AM
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48. I'm with Swampy, the future!
Then we would know how much longer we have to deal with these fucktards in office! :evilgrin:

My sig is all that helps me keep from moving out of the country some days mdmc! Just knowing that Gandhi was right is comforting.

They also will fall, it just can't happen soon enough for everyone dying under his rule. :evilfrown:

In peace and hope,
Still,
V
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:15 AM
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50. think of it...always
peace and low stress
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:19 PM
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2. Didn't Brownie testify a couple of months ago?
Edited on Thu Feb-09-06 11:20 PM by sheelz
Open up wide Brownie!

edit: typo
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:19 PM
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3. I heard that earlier tonight..heckofajob brownie will
tell all unless the bush crime family picks up the tab for a high powered legal team..Sounds like brownie is tired of living. lol
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:19 PM
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4. Didn't Scotty Have A Question About This At The White House Press....
conference today?

Oh - an observation of Scotty's Press Conferences. His head is so big that at the right camera angle he blocks out the letters HITE from White and the H from House. So the sign reads (with his head in the middle) The WOUSE. (phonetically woose)

Just an observation.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:19 PM
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5. W can yell executive privilege and protect Brownie
or Brownie can spill his guts. Like you said, either way he should be toast.

But then W could call another security alert to change the subject.

I, for one, cannot believe the camera shots of our citizens stranded in NO and the govt doing nothing about it. The whole world saw it. While W said "Brownie, you've done one heck of a job."

Of course, W played the guitar, Rummy saw a game, and Condi went shoe shopping while NO drowned. This won't be forgotten. Nor should it be.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:41 AM
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33. About that executive privilege thing -
Both Libby and Comey have made reference to executive privilege. It would seem we may be at the mercy of the Court.

Hang on Roberts.
Roberts hang on!




Supreme Court of the United States

In a special session, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on July 8, 1974. The case issues: 1) Do the courts have the jurisdiction to hear a case involving a dispute within the executive branch? 2) Does the president have the power of absolute privilege and, if so, does his privilege prevail over the demands of the subpoena in this case? The Court rules that it does have jurisdiction and that the president's executive privilege power is not absolute. Therefore, the president must comply with the subpoena and turn over the tapes.
United States v. Nixon (July 24, 1974)

http://www.landmarkcases.org/nixon/digram.html




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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:21 PM
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6. Harri Miers declined to
give him the privilege...http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/09/AR2006020901983.html

I would say the WH does not feel he is worth getting into the fight with Congress over exec. privilege...and I also think that certain supporting documents may have gone missing, so Brownie would be on his own.

In any event, it should be interesting, as we know he has an anger issue. Wonder what he'll wear tomorrow?
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:29 PM
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9. He's crossing the wrong mob . . .
. . . the Bushes are probably fitting him for some nice cement loafers . . .
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:36 PM
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10. He probably figures he has nothing
to lose and possibly some points to gain as the underdog, rather than the running-dog.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:12 AM
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26. So Is Rove Preparing * For The - He's A Disgruntled Employee ....
defense?
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 05:37 AM
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41. my thought exactly
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 05:40 AM by radfringe
disgruntled...yadda yadda yadda...not credible...blah blah...trying to pass the buck and not take responsibility...

Rove has the slime machine up and running

meanwhile...will there be a big outcry from the Katrina victims? Most of them have been "displaced" and scattered about the country - hard to organize a protest, and then there's those who died and are silent

yeah, brownie will spill the beans, the bushies will deny it and smear him, and repugs will sing the chorus
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:22 PM
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8. This is going to be so good!
What time is he supposed to appear? I hope I'm not in classes than!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:40 PM
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13. 9:30 eastern...
If I'm feeling cheeky, I might just start an official thread. :P
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:46 PM
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17. please do!
I will be unable to see television and interested in seeing some live blogging - please do report!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:44 AM
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34. Oh dear, I may have to set my alarm for 6:15 am.
:-)
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:37 PM
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11. God, I would love to believe you
But fact is, even if it plays out - no one will care. I hate to sound so damn pessimistic, but people don't give a shit about Katrina anymore. It sounds horrible, but unfortunately it is true - a lot like 9/11 two months after the fact. If everyday Americas aren't 'directly' Affected, they just don't care. Sure, DU'ers will have a field day - but the mainstream media won't even cover the story. Mark my words.


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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:41 PM
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14. It is still a hot issue in earth quake country
between the San Andreas Fault and the Hayward Fault - with our own failing Levees in the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta.
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:47 PM
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19. Well maybe you're right
But I be willing to wager even those that live in your specified geography(the majority of them anyways) don't give a shit about Katrina - just like they don't give a shit for the president or what he stands for or what he has done. It's all happening over again - Fascism won't live without complacency. And all I see is complacency.

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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:58 PM
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21. Oh this will be mega huge
if he had conversations with Bush or Cheney and they can be shown that they treated it like a thunderstorm. That will be headlines in every paper.

There is nothing that has brought his polls down more to date than his bungling of this disaster. All we need to know is some of that conversation showing the indignance and where it was no big deal. Watch the papers and TV climb all over it.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:10 AM
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25. In earth quake country we have a simple equation
Katrina = 9/11 = "The Big One"

Everybody out here takes a Red Cross or Salvation Army or Fire Department course on "Disaster Preparedness (Earthquakes and Terrorism)" - and every employer gives the course, and almost every chool and retirement home.

My 90 something year old aunt takes a course quarterly on "Earthquake and Terrorism Preparedness" in her retirement community.

What they keep driving home:

An Earthquake IS IDENTICALLY EQUAL TO A Terror Attack as far as the skill sets for survival.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:30 AM
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32. And it appeared to be a pretty hot issue during Coretta Scott King's
funeral. Just ask President Jimmy Carter, the Reverend Lowery AND the audience in that assembly, that gave Lowery a 23-second ovation. I'd say it's still a pretty hot issue especially with many of the victims who still look rawther victimized - being evicted from their hotel rooms and other temporary lifeboats, wreckage not yet cleared that would build a - what was it - a 50-story wall around the Pentagon (something I read here), people who have yet to see any financial aid, funding for rebuilding, and in some cases, have yet to find all their family members and get them all back in safety (some 500 children are still unaccounted for), and the mayor going begging to OTHER COUNTRIES because he can't count on the empty promises from his own. The storm in the devastated area appears not to have abated, really, as far as what those people are still forced to endure.

Frankly, I'd say it's still a pretty hot issue for a lot of us. Every time I drive by the middle school where a HUGE clothing drive was set up in the days after Katrina struck, I wonder about those people - how they're doing, what they still need, if any of our donations helped or got to people who needed them, etc.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:48 AM
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35. Interesting theory. Plausible, even.
But there are a great many Gulf coast survivors in communities around the country. I think that is part of why it hasn't really fallen off the radar.

That, and the residual human compassion still not crushed into the ground by BushCo.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:37 PM
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12. is he taking a small plane in to DC?
:shrug:


dp
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SofaKingLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:47 PM
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18. Hopefully not, he should also stay away from jogging before he testifies.
:eyes:
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:59 PM
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22. And not be alone in a car either.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:50 AM
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36. Avoid motels and hotels.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:44 PM
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15. Are they actually going to put him under oath?
:sarcasm:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:00 AM
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23. Go on Brownie...fling it!
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:15 AM
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28. I think some of that will be flying tomorrow.
Another dimension to this is that Susan Collins is pissed that the White House refuses to supply more of the conversations. She's requested them.

So Mr. Brown, have a seat.
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:01 AM
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24. SORRY * BUT YOU CAN'T US TAXPAYER MONEY TO BAIL BOWNIES ASS OUT....
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:03 AM
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29. I'm sure they're stratagerizing right now
and Rove has a swift boat plan underway. Prolly the "digruntled employee" defense.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:25 AM
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40. How will that square with “Brownie, You’re Doing A Heck of a Job”?
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 02:28 AM by BrotherBuzz
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 10:29 AM
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52. It won't
Nothing ever squares--attack, attack, attack.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:39 AM
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51. Swift boat won't work - anything bad reflects on those who hired him
He was absolutely unqualified by experience. If you also prove that he was of bad character, you can't even argue that personal qualities outweighed his lack of credentials. They're stuck with him.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:23 AM
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31. It's clear that the WH knew about the levees very early and did NOTHING
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 01:24 AM by Nothing Without Hope
for example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2097658
thread title (2-9-06 LBN): Paper: White House Knew About Levees Early
Comment/excerpt: AP/Yahoo News “WASHINGTON - Twenty-eight government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, reported that New Orleans levees were breached Aug. 29, the day Hurricane Katrina roared ashore, documents released Thursday show. A timeline of e-mails, situation updates and weather reports, pieced together by Senate Democrats, indicates the Bush administration knew as early as 8:30 a.m. EST about levee failures that would ultimately lead to massive flooding of the city and its surrounding parishes.”

Oh, how I hope Brownie spills it all...
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 01:59 AM
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37. I hope the day lives up to your screen name
It would be great to feel that finally, some Justice Is Comin
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:02 AM
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38. If the Media Does Its Job...
...the plastering should begin.
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:25 AM
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39. This great
I would love to hear Brownie sing, it would be one of the sweetest tunes heard in a long time!
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:09 AM
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42. My money is on the fact he'll go down for bush as many do and
never work in government again but retire on millions from kickbacks from the RNC for protecting their god.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:27 AM
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43. And it won't be the disgruntled employee defense but
the national security / we're at war defense.

Brownie will lie for the Cabal and be compensated, sure. And his testimony will be carefully innocuous. And Congress will let this one go with some huffy paper shuffling and fingerpointing.

Cr@p.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:15 PM
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53. Exactly. nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:53 AM
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47. I'm sure when he testifies Brownie will look like a fashion god
His C-Span suit will make me want to puke.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:16 PM
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54. LOL OMYGAWD...that's f'n hysterical. The fashion god! nt
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:01 AM
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49. Okay, so when exactly did that stop being called BLACKMAIL?
Really, I'm dying to know.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:03 PM
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55. Don't you remember? All laws have been cancelled that pertain
to friends of Bush ... or former friends who might do him damage. The term blackmail suggests that there was something wrong in the first place. If Bush accuses Brownie of blackmail, the blowback can be an all consuming fire.
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