I think this is going to be HUGE concerning 2002 LA planned attack

[cantstandbush]

I just heard on a local news station that the 2002 LA attack was supposed to have originally been a part of the 9/11 series of attacks. Listen up: Bush is claiming that the US stopped these attacks. Now i remember other reports where it was stated that Bin Laden said not include these attacks in 9/11 but to wait to set off the next set of attacks. We didn't stop anything. This is total bullshit. Al Qaeda stopped this shit themselves. And they will not come back the same way. It was really convenient to insert the use of "shoe bombs" to add some validity to Bush's claims. This is a bunch of political poop. Bush is in trouble and it took them this long to figure out how to build this tale to bail him out.

[FreedomAngel82]

1. Yep

And the mayor didn't even know about it. And if they stopped it why didn't they get the NAME RIGHT OF THE BUILDING? Doy!

[msongs]

2. the current mayor of LA was not mayor then nt

[magellan]

7. So mayors don't share important information during a turnover of duties?

You think someone's NOT going to tell the new mayor of nearly 4 million people that there was a thwarted terrorist attack on the previous watch?

Oops, put the population of LA county, not the city.

[FrenchieCat]

9. That's true....

So how does it work then? Was he the Mayor in 2002?

[FrenchieCat]

14. No, he wasn't elected Mayor until 2005.

So I don't quite get the Mayor's point.

Maybe I need to read those articles again....(she says scratching her head)

[FreedomAngel82]

32. But like someone else said don't they share information?

Pass things a long? :shrug:

[Fridays Child]

13. What the current mayor complained about, today, was that...

...he should have been forewarned that Bush was going to air the information. He felt he was blindsided and he didn't appreciate it. I'm not sure what he might have done if he had known, in advance, that Bush was gonna pull this stunt. But he should have been told.

[FrenchieCat]

15. Oh....

Well that's not quite what I was coming up with.

Well Bush Admin should have given Mayor Villaraigosa a heads up...

But it ain't like what I thought.....

[FreedomAngel82]

35. And than

Scotty had the nerve to say they told him the day before they told him. :eyes: They have no shame!

[Fandingo]

6. He should do some reading

"And the mayor didn't even know about it."

It's in the 9/11 Commission Report, both plans I recall. Bush acting like it's something new, the only thing new, I recall, is the nationality of the supposed attackers was revealed "Southeast Asians."

[laheina]

33. Hi Fandingo!!

Welcome to DU!! :hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Do you not know how to read profiles?

And as others have asked: don't mayors oh I don't know share information?

[saltpoint]

3. Bush is lying through his Texas teeth.

He lies and lies and lies and lies and lies.

I'd like to see critical mass reached on this -- so that this administration is held accountable for the many ways it has disgraced the country.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Hugh's shoes are da' bomb!!!!!!!111!!!

[Wickerman]

5. From what I have read the "shoe bombs" were to blow cockpit

doors. Maybe this has been covered and I've missed it, but by the 2001 Nov timeframe were impregnable cockpit doors in aircraft yet? I flew in December and I don't recall such. I thought they happened later.

[Katherine Brengle]

11. lol, sorry--i should have read this before posting. ur right. n/t

[Fridays Child]

16. That question occurred to me, too.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

38. This snip is from a speech of shrubs dated Nov 9, 2001

There are additional steps we are taking to increase the public's safety and its confidence in air travel. The FAA is deploying a core team of security professionals to improve oversight of screening and other security functions at our airports. I am instructing the Inspector General of the Department of Transportation to conduct undercover audits of security performance at airports nationwide, to ensure the strict compliance of FAA security standards. And in September, I announced a $300 million grant program to secure airport -- secure cockpit doors on airplanes. And I commend the airlines for acting quickly. Major airlines have now fortified cockpit doors on 100 percent of their airplanes.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011109-12.html

I don't know exactly what he means by fortified but back then they were choosing words carefully in attempts to get Americans flying again.

[Wickerman]

47. good find

thanks!

[dysfunctional press]

8. it's BULLSHIT because after 9/11, hijackings are HISTORY!

NO planeload of passengers is just going to sit idly by and let terrorists fly their plane into a building. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

[FrenchieCat]

12. We may not never want to say Never now....

We don't know what might happen...but the point is, I don't feel safer because BushCo is at the helm...that's for doggone sure!

[dysfunctional press]

22. the only way a plane is going to get flown into a building...

"for the forseeable future"(i.e. any of our lifetimes)
is if the terrorist(s) owns(s) the plane, and there are no passengers/flight crew to stop them.

[W_HAMILTON]

34. That's not a good thing

That's probably even easier for a terrorist to attack us then.

They don't need flight training. They just need to get into the USA and have a clean record. Then they get into the cockpit, kill the pilot(s), and wait for the passengers to overthrow them. Chances are no one is going to know how to fly the plane, so it crashes.

The panic from attacks like that could be even worse than what happened on 9/11, and it would be alot easier to carry out. I guess the only way to stop it would be for the passengers to get the terrorists before they got into the cockpit.

[dysfunctional press]

39. um...how do they get into a cockpit?

NO pilot is going to let that happen.
did you know that structurally, you can safely barrel-roll most commercial airliners? pilots do.
they also know how to land very quickly when need be.

don't worry about air travel- it's safer than ever.

the thing to worry about is that it won't be the way that the next attack comes.

[W_HAMILTON]

44. Like I said

I'm not sure all the changes that have been made since 9/11, but I don't think the end-result of flying planes into buildings would be needed to have a big impact on our nation anymore. The fact that the passengers would bring any plane down that has been hijacked, they could use to their advantage.

You would think the 9/11 pilots wouldn't have let them in either, but the terorrists still found a way. Even though I read somewhere else in this thread about how they have reinforced cockpit doors now, so maybe that would keep them out.

[dysfunctional press]

45. the big difference between pilots pre-9/11 and today-

9/11.
the pilots/passengers/crew weren't expecting what happened.

Now, EVERYONE knows what can/will happen- which is why another 9/11 won't happen in any of our lifetimes.

note- i'm not saying that terrorists won't fly a plane into a building somewhere- just that if they do, it won't be a regular passenger aircraft on a regular flight.

[CoffeeCat]

40. That is exactly right...

No American would sit idly by on a hijacked aircraft, today.

Absolutely no way.

If terrorists hijack your plane--you know that you either fight or the plane is going into a target.

No one would sit by and allow themselves to be killed like that.

There will never be a repeat of 9/11 because everyone on the plane would know what was going on.

[tocqueville]

24. of course !

besides passenger resistance, the planes would be shot before reaching destination...

9/11 might theoretically be repeated in a third world country (but why hit there, it would be a statement of failure from the Islamists)

[dysfunctional press]

27. and don't forget the pilots-

at the first whiff of trouble, they can practically barrel-roll the plane, and then set it down on the closest piece of asphalt- there won't be a need to shoot them down, because they'll never gain control of a passenger jet-liner(again).

[Katherine Brengle]

10. a listener emailed into the Mike Malloy show and pointed out

a very important fact. The airlines didn't start changing the design of cockpit doors until the next year--at the time this supposed event was supposed to have happened, there wouldn't have been any need for a special plan of action to destroy the cockpit door, bc the doors were the same as on 9-11.

[cantstandbush]

17. BINGO!!!!! But the Bushbots inserted "shoe bombs" into this story

to manipulate the minds of the unthinking ditto heads who will immediately give it validity because of John Lynn shoe bomber.

[Katherine Brengle]

21. Exactly. They screwed themselves by trying to create a clever

cover story.

What fuckheads.

[dweller]

26. Richard Reid was the shoe bomber

john lynn... uh, is jeff lynn's brother?
:shrug:

dp

[cantstandbush]

46. slip of the brain. Thanks. I get so infuriated, I can't think straight.

[FreedomAngel82]

42. Oh good point

And why are they waiting till now? Why not before they invaded Iraq or something? :shrug:

[Oilwellian]

18. Why have shoe bombs...

if you're going to fly the plane into a building? Wouldn't a shoe bomb make the entire plane explode or at least blow such a hole in it, that they'd have trouble controlling the plane?

[CottonBear]

20. A woman reporter questioned Scotty about the lies/inaccuracies

at today's press conference. Scotty was shaken and ended the PC.

[tocqueville]

25. the shoe bomb was more a "lockerbie-type" attempt

blow the plane as a terrorist act

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Well so far the claim is

so they could get through to the cockpit.

[cantstandbush]

19. We (the US and Bushbots) didn't prevent anything. They merely found out

about plots that Osama had already aborted. Our enemy is not that stupid to come back at us in the same way. They may come back to the same places, but they never come the same way.

[dysfunctional press]

23. exactly-

shoe-bomb or not, NO planeload of passengers/flight crew WILL EVER let hijackers take control of a flight in the U.S. again....IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

[benburch]

28. This story was TOTALLY MADE UP by Bush.

They are just lying for the sake of lying now.

[Quixote1818]

29. Lionell just pointed out that Bush NEVER said the US had anything to do

with any of this. Basically all Bush said was that some country found these guys. Bush has got to be desperate to be pulling out crap this from his hat.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

41. No, he didn't say that his spying had anything to do with it either

This is from the AP/Yahoo story:

"It took the combined efforts of several countries to break up this plot," Bush said. "By working together we stopped a catastrophic attack on our homeland."

Some information about the foiled attack was disclosed last year, but Bush offered more details to highlight international cooperation in fighting terrorists. He did not say whether information about the West Coast plot was collected by his administration's program to monitor — without court warrants — some calls and e-mails between people overseas and in the U.S. when links to terrorism are suspected.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060210/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

He's just hoping he gave enough to his mindless minions that they'll lay off this topic long enough to get distracted by something else.

[American liberal]

30. he also talks about getting terrorists "off the streets" as if they're

some kind of low-life street thugs. pitiful!

[Quixote1818]

31. We can't let this die. This BS needs to be exposed as a complete

fabrication.

[dysfunctional press]

37. ABC just lost me for good...he options keep getting fewer and fewer...

i made the mistake of switching over from the sopranos, to nightline, just in time to see chris burie(sp?) closing his piece with something along the lines of: "...the white house was able to remind Americans that under president bush, there has not been a repeat of 9/11..."

um...chris...?
what about reminding Americans that 9/11 DID FUCKING HAPPEN under president stupid-fuckwit, right after his MONTH_FUCKING LONG vacation, on which he had been warned that BIN LADEN WAS DETERMINED TO STRIKE...

why do i feel like i'm living in germany in the 30's...or russia in the 50's...or the u.s. in the 50's...?