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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 05:52 AM
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LAT: "The Land of 10,770 Empty FEMA Trailers" & Katrina housing EXPLAINED
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 05:55 AM by Nothing Without Hope
Here are some pieces we need to put together and show to other people. The whole housing aspect of the Katrina/hurricanes disaster is a major scandal on its own and it reveals very clearly the priorities and deliberate cruelty and greed of the Bush administration. The BEST solution was and is clear: housing vouchers. But instead, the Bushies insisted on FEMA trailers and hotels although this is more constly and has many other downsides. There are REASONS why this choice was made, and the fact is, not even the FEMA trailers were not followed through on. Now that the hotel payments are being ended, many people are becoming homeless. We need to see the whole story and understand the reasons behind the Bushies' actions. Here are some of the dots to connect, and be sure not to miss Paul Krugman's explanations in the final opening post article:

Thousands of FEMA trailers promised to the victims of the hurricanes last fall are STILL sitting around empty. This was reported last October:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051012/NEWS0110/51012008/1260
article title (October 12, 2005): "9,000 trailers meant for hurricane victims unoccupied"

and as today's LA TImes article shows, nothing has changed:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-trailers10feb10,0,3135692.story?track=tothtml
February 10, 2006
latimes.com : National News
THE NATION

The Land of 10,770 Empty FEMA Trailers


Far from the victims of Katrina for whom they are meant, the furnished shelters crowd an airport, benefiting only the town of Hope, Ark.

By Johanna Neuman, Times Staff Writer

At Uncle Henry's Smokehouse Bar B Que in Hope, Ark., the lunchtime crowd filled every table Thursday — all 10 of them. At City Hall, the phones were ringing off the hook. And out at the airport, a private pilot who just turned 45 said she didn't expect to live long enough to see things get back to normal.

All because of the latest example of how federal, state and local officials have responded to Hurricane Katrina. Time was, Hope was known primarily as the childhood home of President Clinton. Now it's Trailer Town, USA.

After the Aug. 29 storm left thousands homeless on the Gulf Coast, officials in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama began calling for trailers to provide temporary shelter. More than 100,000 were requested, and somebody decided to create holding areas for the trailers outside the hurricane zone.

Today, legions of wide-bodied mobile homes sit empty at Hope's Municipal Airport, a sprawling former military base. After all these months, storm victims can't seem to get the trailers, which are proving a mixed blessing to Hope and Arkansas.

(snip)


Mark Keith, director of the Hope-Hempstead County Chamber of Commerce, is quoted: "It just boggles the mind in this day and time. There are 10,770 trailers at Hope Airport. That's one for every man, woman and child in Hope, with a few left over to send to Emmet, down the road."

Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), a graduate of Hope High School, said: "It cost $431 million and they're all sitting there, 75% of them literally parked in a cow pasture. They are brand-new, all totally furnished, and yet people have been living in tents for five months in a row. It just makes you sick to your stomach."

Meanwhile, FEMA is evicting Katrina evacuees from hotels, making them homeless:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x350683
thread title (2-7-06 GD): Thousands of Katrina evacuees EVICTED from hotels, now homeless

And ever more documentation is coming in from investigations, proving that the WH KNEW the New Orleans situation and STILL failed to act to avert the deaths and devastation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x377040
thread title (2-10-06 GD): NYT: WH knew early about levee breaks - and BUSH POWER GRAB ALERT!
(and the links in this thread)
The Bush WH's response to all this is to duck all culpability and continue to try to use this terrible and ongoing disaster as an enabling event for a Presidential power grab.

Clearly, the best solution to the housing problem for people driven from their homes by hurricanes would have been HOUSING VOUCHERS, but the Bush Administration has fought this. Instead, we have these FEMA trailer parks, and even those haven't reached the victims:

http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F40C17FE3B5A0C778DDDA80994DD404482
EDITORIAL DESK

Stonewalling the Katrina Victims


Published: November 14, 2005

Public outrage is clearly growing over the federal government's woefully inadequate program for housing the hundreds of thousands of people displaced by Hurricane Katrina. Last week a group of survivors filed the first of what are likely to be several lawsuits alleging that the Federal Emergency Management Agency has failed to live up to its responsibilities. The recovery effort has been subject to blistering criticism from conservative, nonpartisan and liberal groups alike.
The same basic question is this: Why did the Bush administration focus on trailer parks built by FEMA -- which is actually not a housing agency -- instead of giving the lead role to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which has so much experience on this issue?

Many, including the Brookings Institution and the conservative Heritage Foundation, urged the administration to switch on HUD's famously successful Section 8 program, which gives families government vouchers to find decent housing in the private real estate market. That program worked well after the 1994 Northridge earthquake in California. But the White House -- which seems less interested in conservative philosophy about how to make government programs work than with simply cutting the amount of money that gets spent on poor people -- has been working feverishly to cripple HUD and destroy the Section 8 voucher program for years.

So the administration rigged up a hastily thought out program that is less flexible and less helpful than Section 8 -- and confusing in the bargain. Still focused on tax cuts for the wealthy, the administration is apparently hoping that people who need housing will be frustrated by the difficult process of applying for federal relief dollars and simply give up and go away.


Paul Krugman's important NYT editorial on the Katrina housing crisis is available free at Truthout and should be read to help understand the apparently crazy decisions by the WH on choosing FEMA trailer parks instead of housing vouchers. He explains what is REALLY happening here:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/100305N.shtml

Miserable by Design


By Paul Krugman
The New York Times
Monday 03 October 2005

(snip)

But the administration has chosen, instead, to focus its efforts on the creation of public housing in the form of trailer parks, which have been slow to take shape, will almost surely be more expensive than a voucher program and may create long-term refugee ghettoes. Even Newt Gingrich calls this "extraordinarily bad policy" that "violates every conservative principle."

What's going on here? The crucial point is that President Bush has been forced by events into short-term actions that conflict with his long-term goals. His mission in office is to dismantle or at least shrink the federal social safety net, yet he must, as a matter of political necessity, provide aid to Katrina's victims. His problem is how to do that without legitimizing the very role of government he opposes.

(snip)

As for the administration's odd insistence on providing public housing instead of relying on the market, The Los Angeles Times reports that Department of Housing and Urban Development officials initially announced plans to issue rent vouchers, then backed off after meeting with White House aides. As the article notes, the administration has "repeatedly sought to cut or limit" the existing housing voucher program.

(snip)

So here's the key to understanding post-Katrina policy: Mr. Bush can't avoid helping Katrina's victims, but he doesn't want to legitimize institutions that help the needy, like the housing voucher program. As a result, his administration refuses to use those institutions, even when they are the best way to provide victims with aid. More generally, the administration is trying to treat Katrina's victims as harshly as the political realities allow, so as not to create a precedent for other aid efforts.

(snip)

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 05:58 AM
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1. I wonder how many of these trailers the Pentagon has it eyes on
they have a lot of trailers in Iraq. I can just see the Pentagon eyeing these "free" trailers for their next war :grr:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:45 AM
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12. ...or maybe they'll use them for their US detention centers... n/t
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PassingThrough Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:48 AM
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22. The trailers are to be auctioned to the public once no longer needed./nt
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:30 AM
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26. Got a link for that? n/t
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PassingThrough Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:04 AM
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30. Let me look. It was in the Sunherald and thats what they told me when
they gave me my trailer. Give me a couple mins and I will find the article.
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PassingThrough Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:10 AM
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31. Here is one from TV:
http://www.wpmi.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=E90316AD-F8B3-49D1-A4FF-DB2732025AA1

Sorry but the Sunherald article requires you to register. All of the trailers go to the GSA once this is over.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:01 AM
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2. And the hurricanes be back again
....... you are so screwed bush so very screwed cause what are you going to do when the next one hit.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:05 AM
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4. It's not BUSH that's screwed - he doesn't care at all about the deaths
These disasters are useful to him as an excuse to say he needs more power to "protect" the US public. The GOP-owned US media support him and all too many citizens simply don't realize they're being lied to.

But Bush? He loses no sleep over the deaths he causes in the US and around the world. And until he is held accountable - which doesn't look to be happening any time soon under the GOP-controlled congress - he isn't screwed at all. It's the victims of his crimes and incompetence who are screwed.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:14 AM
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6. He is
there will always be an accounting
That is a fact of life
Unless they can rigged the election
The GOP and bush era is a goner

He has dug a big hole both for the country and the GOP even the Democrats.
He will take the fall
After all me think someone play dirty trick on him with the choice of
"MY PET GOAT"
You hear me bush you the PET SCAPEGOAT"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:03 AM
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3. The Cabal wants Katrina survivors to go away. If they help them
there will be press, a reminder of their horrific failure. And if Katrina survivors get a mic, they may speak up about the looting of the Gulf Coast by the * cronies.

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:18 AM
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7. That's true, sfespat2000
And the larger plan is to divide our nation, hold as many hostage as possible, create more fear, more homeless, and reach for the bigger Star (Wars) in global domination.

Just watched a very telling film called Arsenal of Hypocrisy: The Space Program and the Military Industrial on Free Speech TV. You can actually request it from the library. It's also availble online through a ot of sources.

It's the most comprehensive film about BushCo I have ever watched.

here's a link:
(and there are s a couple of other films am going to get as well)

http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:36 AM
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10. Thank you! I will watch it.
These bastards must think they're immortal or something. Nothing they do makes sense to me except their consistent disregard for human life.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:43 AM
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11. Sounds interesting. To me, Steve Bell's cartoon caught the Bush
impact on the hurricane-devastated South and of his policies on us all:

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:47 PM
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41. No, even more cold-blooded. Remember the furor over "chocolate city"?
Never mind that New Orleans is (or as Mary Landrieu and the rest of our Democratic leaders would put it, "was") 70% black. The very idea of even allowing them to remain in the state of Louisiana offends the sensibilities of the racist white power structure there. Hence, the program to "starve them out", force them onto buses into other states, set up checkpoints for those returning to check for "papers please", prevent blacks from walking out lest they settle down in nearby communities, etc.

If they help them they might stay put or return to New Orleans. Bush wants them to move to a red state that is still keeping blacks in their "place" -- or die.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:07 AM
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5. Excellent post NWH!
as usual. And Paul is right on target. God, I hate these rat bastards.

recommended, no essential reading!

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:19 AM
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8. Gawd put bush in the white house according to the bible thumpers
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 06:23 AM by Hubert Flottz
Gawd must have a piss poor sense of what's right or wrong, to place any value at all on Bush!

Published on Thursday, October 16, 2003 by the Los Angeles Times
General Casts War in Religious Terms

The top soldier assigned to track down Bin Laden and Hussein is an evangelical Christian who speaks publicly of 'the army of God.'

by Richard T. Cooper

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon has assigned the task of tracking down and eliminating Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other high-profile targets to an Army general who sees the war on terrorism as a clash between Judeo-Christian values and Satan.

Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary of Defense for intelligence, is a much-decorated and twice-wounded veteran of covert military operations. From the bloody 1993 clash with Muslim warlords in Somalia chronicled in "Black Hawk Down" and the hunt for Colombian drug czar Pablo Escobar to the ill-fated attempt to rescue American hostages in Iran in 1980, Boykin was in the thick of things.

I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.

Lt. Gen. William G. ‘Jerry’ Boykin, speaking about battle with a Muslim warlord

Yet the former commander and 13-year veteran of the Army's top-secret Delta Force is also an outspoken evangelical Christian who appeared in dress uniform and polished jump boots before a religious group in Oregon in June to declare that radical Islamists hated the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian ... and the enemy is a guy named Satan."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1016-01.htm


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:55 AM
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13. According to Bible literalists, God appoints every leader in the world
not just Bush, but Saddam, the military junta in Burma, all of them. Why? Because the bible says so. "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God." Romans 13:1. So, as far as they're concerned, that proves it. It doesn't matter if they get there via a massacre - they're appointed by God. The particular fundie who said this to me seems to believe in predestination, ie humans have no real free will, but are completly controlled by the Christian God; though he went on to claim that "sinful man" is responsible for the killings by Stalin, Hitler etc. I suspect most (vaguely sane) fundamentalists would say that Paul only talked about the situation in his time, not the future; but this one confirmed that Pol Pot and Mao were both appointed by God, as far as he is concerned. Weird.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:05 AM
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16. It's amazing how far some people will go to build a fanatasy which
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 07:06 AM by Nothing Without Hope
(1) Makes everything "fair" - no problem with God allowing evil in the world and innocents being oppressed and killed
(2) Puts them on the "winning team"
(3) Tells them that they are IMMORTAL
(4) Encourages the hatred and devastation of everybody BUT their "winning team" - especially people they already hated
(5) Reassures them that they have the ultimate POWER (in this case because God has "chosen" them)
(6) And gives them "proof" that they and their "winning team" members have the ONLY ULTIMATE TRUTH and ultimately will have the last word and eternal reward

You have to wonder if these fundies ever read the Gospels at all. Their sneering, hateful, greedy spitefulness is so opposite to everything that is known about what their avowed spiritual leader ever taught.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:29 AM
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20. Hypocrisy and money are the driving forces behind the GOP...
The Bible teaches that those are BOTH evil! The GOP twists the "Gospel" like Bush's White House Lawyers twist the law!

The people who STILL, believe in Bush, just don't, or can't, think on their own. They depend on someone to lead them like cattle, or sheep depend. Bush is their misleader and they are not going to wake up anytime soon, it looks like. The sheep just are blind to the fact, that the Wolves are leading them and misleading them at the same time. The wolves will always win, because the Sheep live in a little make believe world. To them the wolf will still look just like the friendly old sheepdog, until it's too late.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:38 AM
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21. Yes. That's why I love the "Republican Jesus" satirical cartoons at
Jesus' General. Here's one from Sept 18, 2005 called "The Pork Barrel of Compassion" and relevant to the current discussion:



The permalink to the blog entry that included it is here:
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_09_18_patriotboy_archive.html#112753856638185117

Jesus' General does a great job exposing the lying hypocrites for what they are and giving us all something to laugh about in these hard times.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:36 AM
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27. GOPer Gawd works in mysterious ways indeed!
So mysterious in fact, the pubs have to lie about every deed they do in Washington!

Blasphemers and thieves every one of them!
Thou Shalt Constantly Bullshit AND CHEAT Thy Neighbor" Is not in any Bible I ever saw.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:31 AM
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9. Also don't miss this fine photo essay - eerily parallels this Oliphant
cartoon:

The photo essay:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x377207
thread title (2-10-06 GD): George Bush & Katrina >

The great Oliphant cartoon - he truly is a genius:



That's George's only interest in the victims of his policies - PROPS.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:57 AM
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14. Thanks for putting this all together for us, NWH.
k&r
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:04 AM
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15. here in the land where the trailers are manufactured... this weeks news
I believe mentioned more trailers have been ordered by the fed. govt.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:07 AM
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18. I was wrong - end of production was the news
did a search and the date of the story jibes with when I heard a brief news clip on local radio: http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060208/Biz/602080477/-1/BIZ/CAT=Biz

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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:06 AM
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17. GREAT post & Info! Thanks for posting it.
:kick: and highly recommended.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:26 AM
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19. Another Katrina CARTOON - Tom Tomorrow reminds of Karl Rove in charge
of reconstruction. Hey, it makes sense: lots of money, political favors and threats, crony deals -- Karl was the natural choice! The ultimate Bush policy clone warrior.

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PassingThrough Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:49 AM
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23. Voucher would not work because there is no housing to rent or buy./nt
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:28 AM
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25. It would not be housing in the devastated areas - that had to be
Edited on Fri Feb-10-06 08:30 AM by Nothing Without Hope
reconstructed. It would be for housing in safe areas. And yes, it would work.
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PassingThrough Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:03 AM
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29. Alot of ppl do not wish to move and how would an area rebuild and
recover if everyone moved away? Businesses can not find employees now. Imagine what would happen if there were no trailers and everyone was forced to move away. Who would rebuild?

Sorry, nice thought but it would make matters worse. We have very few stores around that stay open late anymore because they can not find employees. If you take away the FEMA trailers then you greatly reduce the work force. Also, I am in a FEMA trailer because I do not want to leave the area. This is my home. I am fortunate enough to have the resources to rebuild. Your voucher plan would only drive away people with lower incomes.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:56 AM
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24. Here's one pic of this travesty!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:41 AM
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28. I'm sure that all those people being turned out into the streets because
their hotel payments by FEMA are being ended would be ever so comforted to see all these nice empty trailers.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 10:05 AM
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32. got to go - one kick and I'm off. Let's hope Brownie rats out the Bushies
today, though I'm not holding my breath.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 10:24 AM
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33. The trailers are in Hope, Arkansas?
Then we all know whose fault that is. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/wmp/1992-convention-hires.wmv

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:17 PM
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37. I think that may be only PART of them. Look at the October 12 article
I linked to in the opening post - it's the first link. Here's part of it and the link to the full October 12 article again:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051012/NEWS0110/51012008/1260
October 12, 2005

9,000 trailers meant for hurricane victims unoccupied


By Jay Reeves
The Associated Press

(snip)

More than 22,000 storm victims are still living in shelters, Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen said today. Long-term temporary housing is expected to be needed for at least 400,000.

To help, the government ordered 125,000 campers and mobile homes. About 6,700 campers are now occupied, but more than 2,500 mobile homes and 6,400 campers sit unused at staging sites in Selma, Ala.; Purvis, Miss.; Baton Rouge, La.; and Texarkana, Texas, said FEMA spokesman James McIntyre.

(snip)

Officials at FEMA don't know how many people have signed up for the homes, McIntyre said. Hurricane victims can call a toll-free number, use the Web or go to a relief center to register.

The housing is distributed pretty much on a first come, first served basis, McIntyre said. However, an inspector must determine if the proposed property is cleared enough for a trailer, and electricity must run to the site.

(snip)


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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:46 PM
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34. How can this only have 9 votes on the Greatest Page?
This is vital stuff. I'm in Mississippi and receiving phone calls every day from people, often elderly and disabled, who are living in houses without roofs, without water, and without utilities. What would a FEMA trailer mean to them? The WORLD!

Excellent compilation, NWH. :kick:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 08:03 PM
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35. kick n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:09 PM
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36. By the way, don't miss the VIDEO of Olbermann's take on the Brownie Bake
today. He says it could mark the tipping point for the Bush Administration:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x384242
thread title (2-10-06 GD): VIDEO- Olbermann on the Brownie Hearings
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:45 PM
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38. kick n/t
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 09:47 PM
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39. I've made a compilation of my Katrina, Fema bookmarks:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:23 PM
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40. Thanks, Lars!
:thumbsup:

Last kick for the night
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:55 PM
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42. This is an absolute OUTRAGE
I'm at a loss for words here...
Smaller government...what's the deficit now? yah uhuh. sure. yep.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:03 AM
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43. I agree with PassingThrough -- A Voucher plan would not work.
In addition to keeping people out of the areas that need to be rebuilt (thereby depopulating them and removing the rationale for rebuilding them, and the native to the area construction workforce)

Althoguh that is admittedly Bush's policy, to keep them from returning, it conflicts with his other objective, as Nothing Without Hope noted, of evscerating Section 8.

Bush has ALREADY eviscerated Section 8. There are NO UNITS left in many cities for Katrina survivors. The waiting list is a mile long and they are gutting and selling off massive Section 8 apartments to turn into condos here in the DC area and other cities across the country.

Bush would have to completely revitalize HUD to do this. I interned there under Clinton. HUD was being SLASHED TO THE BONE BY CLINTON. (Clinton's Hope VI program is the original version of the Kelo imminent domain scheme -- used to replace public housing with private office development.) It is even worse now.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:04 AM
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44. Paul Krugman is great
Very interesting analysis by him - and you.

It is so difficult to imagine. They must be walking a very thin line between trying to make "government" look bad without politically hurting themselves. It's hard to believe that Bush would care more about making "government" look bad than his own popularity. And he's not intelligent enough to walk that fine line anyhow. His puppetmasters must be working very hard on this one.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:18 AM
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45. Medicaid vouchers would entitle Katrina victims to...
the amount of Medicaid assistance that their state allows... THESE PEOPLE COME FROM STATES WITH THE SMALLEST SAFETY NET. These states are notoriously stingy!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:37 AM
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46. Let me point out the obvious again: We are being CULLED.
This is a mission of extermination as much as it is a wealth grab. Those who are too old, too dark and/or too unwilling to serve this Fourth Reich are being eliminated. It is being done quite openly.

:freak:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

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