Official Homeland Security Committee Brownie Bake – Thread 4

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Thread 1
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[Sydnie]

1. thanks Viva! n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

16. Syd, can you take over?

This is very entertaining, but reality calls.. :(

[Sydnie]

37. Sure sweetie

You coming back soon or are you gone for the day?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

52. couple of hours anyway...

I'll try to make it back soon, I hate missing this!

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. With all due respect, Senator...

WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY. :rofl:

[malta blue]

3. Coleman is really getting brownie is a tizzy

[LeftNYC]

4. Brownie is peeeeeeeeeved...nt

[FreshLaundry]

12. Oh snap!!!

Love it.

[berner59]

Brownie is PISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smacking Coleman down...wow...nice to see what unleashed Bushies can do!!!

[burythehatchet]

27. Green Goblin (R-MN)

can even provoke sympathy for Brownie

[pdxmom]

5. My, Brownie is letting Coleman have it. n/t

[bmcatt]

"Ask me the question, Sentor! Ask me the question!" n/t

[Wordie]

25. Coleman came out way ahead in that interchange, imho. eom

[AlCzervik]

6. listen to Brownie telling Coleman to fuck off!

[herbbrown]

7. Brownie going after Coleman

Norm is a punk

[rodeodance]

31. Coleman went over the line to blame Brown--C. is relying on Chertoff

recording of official account of this.

[rodeodance]

8. Coleman is relying on DHS official record-now how accurate is that?

[porphyrian]

9. If Coleman is successful in making Brownie out to be incompetent...

...what does that say about those who appointed him to the post?

[The Witch]

10. "What do you want me to say?" from Brownie.

"I've already admitted to making mistakes. What more do you want from me?"

:eyes:

What is the sound of two sleazes clashing?

(a very wet squish.)

[Skidmore]

32. Brownie never acknowledges that people died in hundreds, does he.

[chat_noir]

11. did Brown say that if the Army was sent in people would be shot?

[buzzard]

36. Yes he said they kill people.n/t

[malta blue]

13. Well Senator....

That is very easy for you to sit behind that dais...

Brownie is resentful!

[stop the bleeding]

14. this is good

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[stop the bleeding]

19. ask me the question - ASK me the Question n/t

[SoCalDem]

29. Akaka, not Dayton?

:shrug:

[Maggie_May]

15. Brownie is going balls to the walls not going down alone

[dolo amber]

17. Meeeeow!

Dang, Brownie! :D

[LeftNYC]

18. Brown did lack leadership...

but so did DHS...haha

Heck of a job!

[OKNancy]

20. I'm sorry folks, but I am liking Brown's attitude.

His talk-back to that gasbag Coleman was priceless.

[rodeodance]

49. so am I. Coleman is a twit.

[Wordie]

56. His excuse for saying he didn't know about the Convention Center was

that he had been awake for 24 hours, and so "misspoke." I don't buy it and it sounded rehearsed. Some of all this righteous indignation may have been rehearsed too, imho.

[rodeodance]

74. some. but he is 'talking; now and lets hope he is being honest.

[Just Me]

59. I agree. He's not going to be the punching bag for the administrations',.

,...DHS failures. He has fessed up to his responsibility, his faults,...but, he shouldn't be expected to take responsibility for everyone elses' failures.

[babylonsister]

21. Coleman: "A little more candor would suffice". Brownie's coming

unhinged! And Norm isn't kissing admin butt for a nice change!

[alcibiades_mystery]

43. Complete misread

Norm is kissing admin butt. he's trying to lay it all at Brown's feet, and thereby save Bush, Chertoff, Card, et. al.

[rodeodance]

57. i have not seen Chrertoffs official record (DHS)-that Coleman is flashing.

[babylonsister]

66. Thanks; I need to stop doing other stuff! I thought it was too

good to be true.

[Sydnie]

22. DAMN!!!! "come over here and say that Coleman"

He stopped just short of sucker punching Coleman! :rofl:

[The Witch]

42. I keep feeling like a wet blanket,

but didn't we think this was an awfully incompetent answer when Brownie was on the stand before.... answering the same question the exact same way...

why do we enjoy his answer this time?

[alcibiades_mystery]

Because the context is completely transformed

When it was a question of "Was it Brown or Blanco," Brown's answer seems disinmgenuous. When it's a question of "Was it Brown, or the complex and stupid structure set up by Bush and Co.," Brown's answer seems more honest.

[The Witch]

60. The blame belongs to the person with more authority.

That makes more sense.

Authority = responsibility.

[Sydnie]

72. Because this time his responses like this are to the repugs

on the committee not the dems. If he gets excited and angry, he may say more than he means to say and that could be good for us!

[Jeanette in FL]

23. Whoa!!

Getting very contentious in that room. My, Brownie is not going to be takin down alone.

[CornField]

24. LMAO!! He thinks his time is up. Not until 2006, Coleman.

[Dunvegan]

26. Whoa...Brownie has a conscious!

Told Coleman "Easy for you to you say sitting up on that dais...people were dying..'

[alcibiades_mystery]

58. I think you mean conscience?

n/t

[0007]

Here's the list

Susan M. Collins Chairman (R-ME) Joseph I. Lieberman Ranking Member (D-CT)
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Ted Stevens (R-AK) Carl Levin (D-MI)
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George V. Voinovich (R-OH) Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI)
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Norm Coleman (R-MN) Thomas R. Carper (D-DE)
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Tom Coburn (R-OK) Mark Dayton (D-MN)
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Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI) Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
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Robert F. Bennett (R-UT) Mark Pryor (D-AR)
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Pete V. Domenici (R-NM)
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John W. Warner (R-VA)

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. Brown just handed Coleman his ass

Super weird.

[stop the bleeding]

33. yep super weird n/t

[LeftNYC]

30. another fake Dem...akaka...nt

[rodeodance]

41. colman got a good lashing and he deserved it (as much as Brown is not

my guy either).

[bmcatt]

63. Guess the horse show director knows about horse whipping...

Not that I think Brownie is a sterling example of anything (even including a human being), but he definitely did an "in your face" to Coleman. I think Brownie's going down swinging.

[madmark]

34. brown fights back against rep trying to beat on him

[madmark]

64. you know congress is a co-conspirator with bushco for the seeds

of the new orleans disaster; the creation of DHS, a bureacratic solution, was a key step in the trail leading to the incompetent response to the hurricane (of course the first step was the 2000 presidential election)

[Just Me]

35. Ummmm,....Brownie really IS the scapegoat in this matter.

Coleman made that QUITE obvious.

[Norquist Nemesis]

46. Yep! I almost feel sorry for him

Almost.

[Catchawave]

38. Akaka up

[dogday]

39. Just getting into the hearings

has it been roast brownie morning so far? sounds like coleman did not want hear nothing from him?

[LeftNYC]

50. Brown killing the White House..Coleman trying to grill Brownies

Brownie basically telling Coleman lets take it outside...

[Norquist Nemesis]

54. More of a "how dare you, Senator! Say that to my face!"

type of thing from Brownie. LOL

[dogday]

86. Me thinks the shrubster set up his good buddy

the more I hear, the more I understand....

[herbbrown]

40. Brownie should of said

With all due respect Sen. Coleman Al Franken kicks your ass in 08'

[Sydnie]

51. ROFL!

Welcome to DU herbbrown! :hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

Reasons for WH and its enablers to blame it all on locals & "poor

organization" plus Brownie:

1. Excuse for power grab so president can have National Guard and all power for "efficiency"
2. CYA for the people who are actually to blame: Chertoff & Bush at the top
3. Help make people forget that the National Response plan makes this all clear and gives all emergency power to Chertoff & Bush already
4. Help make people forget that Blanco released thousands of documents proving that Bush blackmailed her, trying to grab National Guard and stonewalling aid

More in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x377040
thread title (2-10-06 GD): NYT: WH knew early about levee breaks - and BUSH POWER GRAB ALERT!

[speedoo]

44. Coleman made an ass of himself.

Obvious attack dog.

He is calling Brown a liar.... "the record... blah blah"

Brown is really pissed at Coleman. Coleman finally throws up his hands.

[LeftNYC]

62. their all liars...nt

[rodeodance]

65. easy task for him.

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Throws his hands then gives a smirk smile caught by the camera

We could solve the oil shortage by just hooking a line into that slimeball.

[dogday]

88. He would not be Coleman had he done otherwise nt

[Dunvegan]

45. Come on, Akaka...don't just bash Brownie...the buck stops with DUBYA!

[Catchawave]

53. He just said that....go akaka....get the fake cowboy !!!

[Roy]

47. This could get even more interesting than first thought

I think Norm Coleman just made Brownie realize that the WH has used him up and is done with him. He just may now start throwing skeletons from the closet with reckless abandon.

[jane_pippin]

48. Oh my god, no you didn't Brownie!

YOU DID LACK THE LEADERSHIP, YOU KNOB!

"What do you want me to say?"

I want you to apologize and say it was YOUR fault, and GEORGIE's fault that this happened. That you were negligent in your duties and incompetent in your actions. Lose the attitude, you lousy fool.

Oh, and nice tie, Brownie. I'm proud of you for picking it out.

[The Witch]

61. nice sig

:thumbsup:

[LeftNYC]

55. Looks like Brownie wont be invited to the ranch anytime soon...nt

[rodeodance]

68. brownie -Frma was given a back seat to terror (paraphasing).

[rodeodance]

70. as an agency administrator He did not have much say over funding.

[rodeodance]

71. He is an 'ex official"--like so many others that come forth after they lea

ve government.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

78. Only if the ranch has a lake and a small fishing boat.

(Godfather II reference)

[Just Me]

69. HOLY SHIT! "It's nice not to be pushed by talking points and saps,...

,...who tell you what to say!!!"

Brown is swinging!!!

[Jeanette in FL]

73. He must think he will be in a safer position by getting this out

in the public. If anything happens to him now, it will be so obvious.

[vanboggie]

75. I was thinking the same thing n/t

[rodeodance]

80. 'if terrorists had blown up the levy, there would have been action"--I rec

all brownie saying that some time ago.

[Norquist Nemesis]

81. Reveals the difference of running government for the people

vs solely for political gain, doesn't it.

[PATRICK]

76. My take on this in another thread

bluntly observes a twin spin away from the WH. The Dems go soft on Brown in some feeble suggestion responsibility led elsewhere, accepting Brown incredibly bad memory and incredible command of "context" arguments. Then weirdly indeed, the GOP trashes Brown directly with nothing leading anywhere else, leading Brown to fiercely attack them.

Now Brown feels at ease with the Dems and confident he can browbeat the GOP by leaning on the WH they won't involve. One, just ONE smart interrogator could sink this guy. But it looks like a dumb cop, bad cop routine and Brown is on the same secret payroll as the bad cop.

Is he allowed to get away with murder? Yes. Is he being set up for a trap? Maybe personally, but I think it all will boil down, at the very least, for never having to touch the WH thanks to Lieberman's letting him off so easy on incredibly blatant whoppers, handoffs, hotheaded self defense, blaming others, excuses galore.

Those expecting the roof to blow off need to look at the kind of questioning that skirts around this bungling sham of an administrator.

[LeftNYC]

77. So Bush knew about Katrina as we all knew way ahead of time

and Cheney ok'd leaks of classified information...

what else do we need to impeach these freakin' bastards...

[Dunvegan]

79. Akaka says Brown was supposed to be "eyes and ears"...

Speaking of "Brownie Target"...he's just pasted one on his back.

But why didn't the WH pull Executive Priv?

[HootieMcBoob]

82. Akaka is less than wonderful

:argh:

[rodeodance]

84. some rpug going on and on.

[rodeodance]

85. says he is sympathic to his concerns...but.....

[emulatorloo]

91. in full-on "Protect Bushboy" mode n/t

[CornField]

83. Sen. Robert Bennett (R-Utah) up -- providing his curriculum vitae

Discussing his inside understanding of "turf battles" within government agencies.

[CornField]

87. Why can Brown not remember who he talked to but can remember what he said:

"Because I was saying the same thing to everyone I could get on the phone."

[Norquist Nemesis]

90. blah blah blah blah blah n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

92. I do believe this will ultimately come to the neocons calling for MILITARY

intervention directly under Bush's orders for all domestic "emergencies," all hail to the dictator. Blame poor interagency communication, rivalry, organization - ignoring the existing clear National Reponse Plan which ALREADY gives these emergency powers to Bush and then CHertoff (NOT Brown) - and say that making it all military from the first will fix everything, and of course the Prez will know when/where to give the orders.

[Arkansas Granny]

100. I'm afraid that this is where this is going. Could they be setting it

up so Bush could just claim inherent executive powers and declare martial law?

[CornField]

103. Not if they actually listen to Brown about this topic

Brown is telling them the departments were dysfunctional *because* everything came back to the White House. That is, he didn't go directly to Chertoff because Chertoff would have had to gain approval from the White House before sending out the troops -- which is why he went directly to the White House staff.

[speedoo]

93. Bennett asking Brown why he could not remember "who"

At least it's a legit question, unlike Coleman's obvious attack dog role.

But now, Bennett is second-guessing Brown re. not contacting Chertoff. But Brown says it would not have been effective and it was more appropriate to contact the WH. "That's what we did in Florida."

[MuseRider]

89. Once again many thanks.

I just got home. From a quick scan it looks like Brownie is doing a heck of a job being an asshole. Is this correct? LOL, Coleman musta really been something.

[Greeby]

94. "Talking to Chertoff was a waste of time"

nt

[CornField]

108. Hola, Greeby -- good to 'see' you again!

[ncrainbowgrrl]

95. "That would have wasted my time."

Wow, what a line.

[Maggie_May]

99. It was a waste of time to call the White House

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

105. Think The MSM Will Bother Replaying That Soundbyte?

Nope, probably not. Wouldn't want to bash the boy King.

[CornField]

96. If I needed the Army to do something, rather than waste the time

to call Chertoff and let him call everyone... I would rather phone Andy Card or someone (in the White House) who would just get it done. ~Brown

Since 2003, I have been pointing out the dysfunction. ~Brown

[Arkansas Granny]

102. They did a great job of getting it done, huh!

[Catchawave]

97. this is being covered live on ALL the news channels !

[Nothing Without Hope]

104. They wouldn't have allowed that unless they thought they had it covered

to protect Bush and accomplish the WH agenda on this, which I believe is
1. CYA
2. "Justify" callling (again) for full military first-and-only response to domestic emergencies, under Prez direct orders. In other words, power grab.

[Maggie_May]

107. It should be we should let the people know how safe they our.

They want to run a nation security let them!!! Democrats are bad on security how could they say that!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

98. Is any Con going to take responsibility for giving consent

to this Bush appointee? While they're pointing fingers at his incompetence, they're overlooking WHO offered him up!!!

[Dunvegan]

101. Brownie: intra-DHS fighting will bring down DHS, and protecting country

[carolinalady]

106. well Senator, YES I did contact Chertoff about department-

Once in writing and once in person shortly after he took office.

[Sydnie]

109. THREAD 5 IS UP!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=379372&mesg_id=379372

[crispini]

110. I just got here, and may I say that I am surprised

by how professional Brownie appears and is conducting himself.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

111. Locking- time for thread #5

over here!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x379372