Bush calls for eliminating nutrition-in-a-box program for needy elderly

[bigtree]

But he'll make sure he gets his $120b to fund his wars . . .


Published: Saturday, February 11, 2006
http://www.saukvalley.com/news/299556687059729.bsp

WASHINGTON (AP) — The boxes arrive every month at churches, senior citizen centers and other sites for distribution to nearly a half-million poor elderly people. Each is stocked with a mix of nutritious foods such as cereal, peanut butter, fruit, vegetables and pasta. Sometimes volunteers deliver them right to people's homes.

Now President Bush wants to eliminate the program, one of 141 federal initiatives that his proposed new budget would scrap or cut dramatically. He is proposing to shift people in the Commodity Supplemental Food Program over to food stamps.

The commodity program, run by the Agriculture Department, benefits mainly elderly people, although some new mothers and children also participate. The department wants to move recipients to food stamps in the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1. The program cost about $111 million this fiscal year, including a $4 million supplement for victims of Hurricane Katrina.

The program, which dates back to 1968, operates in 32 states and the District of Columbia.

full story: http://www.saukvalley.com/news/299556687059729.bsp

[sasha031]

1. more compassionate conservatism

[Botany]

8. this should be hung around the neck of every repug who voted for it.

In the 06 elections.

Deb Pryce dod you hear me?

[CountAllVotes]

12. your "cartoon" is too real

I had this situation practically happen to me this past week. I went for an appt. and was told to come back in 3 weeks whereas the doctor told me to go 2-3 times a week! I was then told my benefits had been cut and that I couldn't get help 2-3X a week and I'd have to wait.

Sadly, the assholes that did this to me weren't aware of the FACT that I have a policy that covers far beyond the basic benefits paid, called by my insurance co. "the Cadillac of all plans we offer". I did not bother to call the place back and tell them this. I found another place to go that will treat me like a decent human being I hope. I go next week. Let's hope!

I swear, it was like a meat market, watching the elderly being shoved in and out of this place (physical therapy) like cattle. Apparently Medicare has been cut and will only pay out $1700 a year in benefits now. :wtf:

It makes me very sad. I also noted while waiting that some stupid puke was there and bragging about the new knees she'd just gotten and said to me, "Do for yourself!". I almost asked her, "Have you ever worked a day in YOUR life?" as her husband magically appeared to pick her up. Likely she is covered by his insurance, not her own, how much do you want to bet?! :grr:

I cannot stand this crap! Even those that do have medical/supplemental insurance but may be elderly or disabled are forced to be on Medicare by the insurance companies. And they make HUGE profits from this! HUGE!

:argh:

WHAT THE HELL CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS?!!!

:dem: :kick:

[koopie57]

35. I wonder if it was the same old biddy

I had words with. Kerry had come to a little community college to speak to a small group of borderline voters. It was kept quiet and so there were only about 12 of us supporters/protestors outside. We were sort of all talking to one another, little arguing, sort of fun. An older lady next to me was talking about paying for school cuz she was a teacher and couldn't find a job and so was trying to get her masters. She was depressed and needed encouragement. A rich lady was listening to this also and she looked at her and said that if she couldn't find a job maybe (I forget the exact words but it was implying that the problem was not there were no jobs but no one wanted to hire her). I asked her what she did for work. She said it was none of my business and I said I know that but tell me anyway. Then I said you don't even work, your old man takes care of you. And she sputtered. Then she had the balls to say something about Kerry's military record and this little Asian lady got furious and started yelling at her that she was going to punch her in her big fat head at which time the rich lady started screaming that she was threatening her and she looked at me and said, you heard her, she is threatening me. I asked myself what would o'reilly do and so I told her she is not threatening you, what is wrong with you anyway, by the way, what do you do for work at which point she headed for the cops.

I don't mind if someone doesn't need to work, more power t them, but for crying out loud that doesn't mean you can't think a little bit.

[CountAllVotes]

45. maybe so!

I was telling this lady that works as a volunteer for the AARP about this scenario yesterday and how upset I was. She said to me, "Ah you should have told her to get off her ass and go to Iraq with her new knees! And yes, I agree with you, probably never worked a day in her life!"

:evilgrin:

At least we see people do know what is going on! Some anyway!

:kick:

[bigtree]

49. The Farmer's Kitchen

ca. 1934
Ivan Albright American ~ Magic Realism; 1897-1973

In this work Albright's morbidity sounds a note of social commentary, for it was painted during the Depression, under the sponsorship of a federal art program in Illinois. The despondent, resigned old woman and her not-so-genteel poverty are poignant signs of the time.

http://americanart.si.edu/art_info/1001/2000/11/110800.html

[babylonsister]

2. One way or another, this admin will get rid of those

pesky elderly and anyone else who is a drain on the system, to free up more for the war effort. Bunch of pigs, they are.

[patdem]

3. This man is a fucking criminal..these food distributors know the

receipents and know who can and cannot get to the center to pick up their food. Will grocery stores DELIVER food to the poor shut ins? WE NEED TO IMPEACH THIS MUTHER!

[peekaloo]

4. Let 'em eat cardboard.

and remember how it was Al Gore who was scaring the elderly?

[laruemtt]

5. words are cheap.

"By their works you shall know them" - you phony christian bush* :mad:

[Uncle Joe]

47. Surely, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Ralph Reed

will not let this stand!:sarcasm:

[Stephanie]

6. Photos of the boxes >

I bet Pickles' trip to Turin cost more than $111 million.








Food products, that are a part of the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, are on display at the Hunger Task Force in Milwaukee, Friday, Feb. 10, 2006. The boxes arrive every month at churches, senior citizen centers and other sites for distribution to nearly a half-million poor elderly people. Each is stocked with a mix of nutritious foods such as cereal, peanut butter, fruit, vegetables and pasta. Sometimes volunteers deliver them right to people's homes. President Bush wants to eliminate the program, one of 141 federal initiatives that his proposed new budget would scrap or cut dramatically. He is proposing to shift people in the Commodity Supplemental Food Program over to food stamps. (AP Photo/ Ron Kuenstler)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060210/480/wirk10302101953

[LynnTheDem]

7. And this nation, #13 in freedom & democracy, #38 in healthcare,

#44 in freedom of press, is "great" HOW?

[MellowOne]

9. Totally criminal

What can we do we stop this?

[bigtree]

13. Here's the subcommittee mentioned in the article overseeing the program

SUBCOMMITTEE on
Agriculture, Rural Development, and Related Agencies
http://appropriations.senate.gov/subcommittees/agriculture/topics.cfm?code=agri

The members:

Senator Robert Bennett (Chairman) (UT)
Senator Thad Cochran (MS)
Senator Arlen Specter (PA)
Senator Christopher Bond (MO)
Senator Mitch McConnell (KY)
Senator Conrad Burns (MT)
Senator Larry Craig (ID)
Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
Senator Herb Kohl (Ranking Member) (WI)
Senator Tom Harkin (IA)
Senator Byron Dorgan (ND)
Senator Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Senator Richard Durbin (IL)
Senator Tim Johnson (SD)
Senator Mary Landrieu (LA)

Nothing on the page yet about the legislation, but there are some known quantities on the Democratic side of that comittee. I'd start there.

[CountAllVotes]

14. I see Dianne Feinstein appears on this list

I hope she rots in hell in her new mansion in Pacific Heights! Damn her, Damn all of them!

If this program is being subsidized by the Dept. of Agriculture, you can bet your last dollar that the food IS second rate like I suggested already. They couldn't sell it if they wanted to! And to cut such a program like this to keep a person from not having food to eat!?

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE GREEDY BASTARDS!?

:grr:

Recommended and kicked again and I'll write letters to the above sell-outs pig shills!

:kick:

[FlaGranny]

18. Ummmmm,

why are you damning Feinstein? For being on the agriculture committee? It is the Bush adminhistration proposing these cuts. If Feinstein agrees with it, THEN damn her. I know people aren't always happy with her, but there is no use damning her for something Bush is PROPOSING, unless she is personally responsible for suggesting the idea.

[CountAllVotes]

19. you are right

I just happen to not like Dianne Feinstein. She is a Repuke wearing the clothes of a Democrat IMO. If she goes for this, she is OUT as far as I'm concerned! She voted for the war, she voted for the bankruptcy act, she voted for many many things just like the BFEE wanted her to do. She backs down and cowers at the name "Cindy Sheehan". She knows she is treading on thin ice. She makes me SICK! :puke:


:kick:

[FlaGranny]

32. I'm not too pleased with

her either.

[pitohui]

53. it says bush is killing the program, not feinstein

those senators likely want the program continued if only as price support for agricultural products produced in their states, which is likely why usda supports the program, i noticed one of the foods provided was cheerio's

i think the seniors should have their choice of the food boxes or food stamps, to my mind food stamps are better, you have more choices because you decide what to buy, but if the boxes mean more food calories can be supplied for the price, then fine

[slipslidingaway]

50. Thanks and posting to remember on Monday. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

10. Likely those boxes of food are 2nd rate

Much like what you get at a food bank (and yes, unfortunately I've gone through a time in my life where I had to go to a food bank and this was the case - an old turkey for Thanksgiving, nothing more depressing than that).

So, they box this stuff up and act like it is a grand thing to do to give a person in need a "box" of this stuff. Sure, they are likely very happy to get it, but maybe it is old food or close to the pull date and no one would likely buy it.

It works out to be a win/win situation - the people that get the food need it and by distributing food that might otherwise be wasted I suspect.

In any event this is a real tragedy! What can we do to stop this? I feel so helpless! :cry:

In the meantime, the tax breaks for the rich go on and on and on and on!!!

:grr:

:dem: :kick:

[Olney Blue]

21. All good points- but the convenience of having this food delivered is

likely critical for elderly people who have difficulty going to the grocery
store with food stamps. Why can't we give more money to this program
and insure high quality food?

I hate the way this administration shows so little concern for Americans
who spent their lives contributing to our society.

[tirechewer]

63. You Are So Right....

After my Dad died, my Mom was effectively stranded. She had bad eyesight and arthritis which was so painful that she could not drive. She had no range of motion in her arms. My husband and I shopped for her and prepared meals ahead to be frozen, so she could have something good that she liked instead of TV dinners. We went to her house three times a week and did breakfasts, lunches and dinners, put them in microwaveable containers and then all she had to do was thaw them and reheat them. It worked out well for her, and I knew she was eating well. We also had to pay for a lot of things for her because she had to take a lot of medications that Medicare didn't cover, and because we wanted her to feel comfortable and have some nice things. I never begrudged any of it. She did it for me, after all.

But there are a lot of elderly people with no families who have to depend on outside assistance which is virtually non existent. What is available to them is substandard and presented in a pretty mean spirited way. Why is it that Bushco gets away with devaluing our citizens who are the most in need of help? They also have a heck of a lot to offer in terms of knowledge, experience and talent if they had a chance to do it. The people who promulgate these values are completely bankrupt when it comes to empathy and concern for others. They seem to glory in destroying the helpless.

They are going to leave so much devastation to repair, and so little to repair it with.

[Gormy Cuss]

29. It's all USDA grade surplus food.

Which means on a quality scale it's not that of the name brands, but it's not overly old food either. Since most of it is canned, it would be a stretch to call it fresh but as someone who ate a lot of it, I can say that it's as tasty and nutritious as any other similar grade A food. The government has this food because it paid producers to support prices. This food will still be available, it just won't go to a program targeting some very specific groups like the elderly and pregnant mothers or families with young children who don't qualify for WIC.

I can't articulate my sentiments about ending such a program without using a very long string of expletives, so I'll stop now.

[DollyM]

60. You are right . . .

The stuff in the box is many times out of date, the cans rusty and dented. I threw away a can of refried beans that was corroded on the inside. Much of it is cast off stuff anyway, out of date things that companies can't sell to "regular" consumers so that pass it off as fine to the poor and take a nice tax write off. Occasionally there is a bottle of out of date vitamins . . .uhhh . . . there is a reason it has a date stamp on it. But, with all the medical bills we have at present and no health insurance, it is the difference between filling our teenage son's stomach and not. They also deliver to my step dad who is a shut in and give him a needed visitor besides me.

[madrchsod]

11. gee that`s my hometown paper

the republicans that run this paper have no love for bush and they had little use for reagan....

[ourbluenation]

15. k and r - this is an action item if ever there was one...

my mom delivers this stuff to shut ins - food stamps are useless to people like this.DUH!

[CountAllVotes]

16. yes shut ins

and there are plenty of them too, both elderly & disabled people!

On edit: Thank your Mom for me and many others out there too I'm sure, would you please? :D

:kick: :kick: :kick: !!!!

[ourbluenation]

27. will do!

:)

[bigtree]

26. food stamps are also being cut to fund his wars

President Bush today proposed a $2.8 trillion budget for fiscal 2007 that would cut billions of dollars from domestic programs ranging from Medicare and food stamps

some hope

Some of the savings that Bush seeks were specifically rejected by Congress last year, such as tightening eligibility for food stamps . . .

http://freeinternetpress.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5803

[Syncronaut Seven]

17. It's not about cutting taxes, It's about torturing grandma to death.

Get it yet? You will.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. $150 million PER DAY for this trumped up bushit war!

And the people who need these social programs, ie, medicare, students loans etc are forced to pay for this war, through these cuts. The wealthy and powerful aren't being made to pay for this war and a lot of these people are profiting from it, including Pinhead**'s cabinet members. RESCIND THE TAX CUTS NOW! Make ALL Americans including the rich, pony up the $$ for this war, not just the elderly, the infirm, the working poor and the middle class. Rich people don't deserve a break on this! Make these people pay right along with everyone else! Make them pay and we'll see just how much they really want this war! :dilemma:

[bettyellen]

24. so this program costs as much as 17 hours of war?

[dogday]

22. Bush hates the elderly and infirmed......

[ArmchairMeme]

23. Inhumanity to man

First he chooses to go to war to kill millions of innocent people in Iraq and 2245 of his own soldiers and disable about 18,000 of his own soldiers and then he raises the cost of their health insurance.

Then he sits by to watch thousands of his people to die and to be left homeless through Hurrican Katrina.

Then he removes home delivered food to elderly and disabled.

Then he charges it all to his citizens through taxes well, except for the wealthy few.

I call it inhumanity!

[Mr_Spock]

25. Bush is hoping the old coots will just keel over and die

Then we can save some money.

Conservatives are quite evil. aren't they?

[grasswire]

30. dying elderly is profitable

I'm sure they view it as a revenue source. Each old person dead equals $X less in social security, $X less in Medicare, etc. I'm sure they have the potential calculated on a spread sheet.

[Wind Dancer]

28. Elimination by design.

The budget cuts are going to harm the most vulnerable in society, it's not an accident these programs are being targeted. I'm so sick of this administration's treatment of the elderly and poor that I could scream...............

:grr: :banghead:

[Wordie]

31. This will hit many poor elderly very hard. A shameful action by Bush.

FYI, here's a link to an LBN thread on the issue:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2100425

[CountAllVotes]

36. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

When people begin to die because they have not enough food in this GREAT COUTRY of ours, we must all be ashamed!!!

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!


WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH?!!! :grr:

This is surplus food we are talking about here! SURPLUS FOOD!!!!!

:dem: :kick:

[Wordie]

39. What I wonder is if there is more to this. Is that surplus food the gov't

purchases from farmers? (I had understood that the commodity program was something like that, but I don't have the details.) There maybe a "kill two birds with one stone" sorta thing going on here, as the cancellation may also be due to Bush wanting to eliminate the program on the other end as well.

[CountAllVotes]

40. I bet you are right!

Who the hell would buy things like canned chicken? :puke: NO ONE. The stuff is horrible! However, it is better than nothing if you happen to be hungry. To a hungry person, any food is good. For those that have eaten this food as I had to do at one time, you know. :(

I'm sure there are farmers, etc. all over this country that rely on the Dept. Agriculture to buy their surplus food that no one would but anyway!

So, off the payroll the famers, etc. go too!

WHAT A SCAM! Farmers, etc. out there ... WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

:kick:

[SillyGoose]

33. Who would Jesus feed...the war machine or grandma?

If I hear one more fucking time about how "religious" Junior and his henchmen are I am going to blow a vein. This is just one more outrage foisted upon us by a band of thugs who use religion as a cover for their thievery and they've made it clear they don't give a damn about anything but money for themselves and their wealthy pals. This bastard and his enablers in Congress are as phony as a handful of 4 dollar bills.

Rev. Lowery spoke the truth when he said "For war billions more but no more for the poor." No wonder all these RW hacks are freaking out...the truth hurts and Junior's phony religious act and thievery was exposed for all the world to see on live television by a reverend in a church.


:nuke:

[DollyM]

61. May I answer this . . .

According to the Bible, "true religion is that which takes care of the widows and the orphans." Bush doesn't have a clue what true religion is!

[Harald Ragnarsson]

34. This sounds like a lot of money

And it is, really, until you consider that this much is spent in Iraq in just a few hours.

Let's call for a 2 week cease fire and we can afford to feed our old people and poor.

If this budget doesn't get the half that don't vote on their feet and to the voting booth, nothing will.

[CountAllVotes]

37. NO MORE WAR!

NO MORE WAR!

What is this 2 week cease fire will solve the problem? :grr:

[koopie57]

38. It is a lot of money

but that is cuz there are a lot of hungry and poor elderly.

[CountAllVotes]

41. the war in Iraq costs more, a lot more and they need more war money!

Hence the reason privitization of Soc. Security to save $700 billion was snuck into the budget in the depths of the night as always.

:grr:

:kick:

[Harald Ragnarsson]

42. Just trying to put it into perspective

This "huge" amount it would cost to feed the poor and elderly could be covered by putting our war machine on Safety for a couple weeks.

It shows where the priorities lie and it's not with the elderly, disabled, or poor.

As I said, if this budget doesn't get the half of the population that doesn't vote out to the ballot box, nothing will. The knives are out and it is right there in black and white who the sacrificial victims are to be.

[CountAllVotes]

55. Welcome to the DU Harald Ragnarsson!

:hi: and welcome! :hi:

:kick:

[unblock]

43. nutrition-in-a-box to be replaced by elderly-in-a-box program

murder by numbers, 1-2-3
it's as easy to learn as your a-b-c....

[Marleyb]

44. The Iraqis want us to leave, but we will not because they need our 'help'

$111 million is nothing to these bastards...War profiteers steal more than that in Iraq daily. Bush probably spends that weekly on his photo ops. They gave out 8 billion in bonuses to war profiteers in Iraq, even after they had been found ripping off the government. Were they fired??..no..given bonuses. They lost 9 billion, did they even look for it?

This country is dead...or at least on life support


I use to work for meal on wheels, delivering warm meals to elderly people who could not cook for themselves. The program had to make cutbacks, so they had us start delivering the meals cold- to people who barely had the strength to get up let alone cook, meanwhile purchasing a brand new extended van with no windows(ie no visability) for me to deliver to small homes with small driveways. Make sense?

We could do so much in this country with a little kindness and a little common sense. This current idiocy and utter lack of compassion is sick, IT IS SICK and we have to stop them. This is unacceptable. I cannot handle this hypocrisy anymore, not to mention all the suffering and dying at the hands of these demons. I am just about pushed over the edge at this point.

[CAcyclist]

46. Who needs concentration camps

when you can just let them starve on the streets?

[Rainscents]

48. I am very SHAME to call myself an American.

[Deja Q]

51. I wonder what WORLD WAR TWO VETS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

That is what they fought and nearly died for.

[philosophie_en_rose]

52. The Commodity Program Saves Lives! & they bring people together.

I have worked with seniors that heavily depend upon commodities and low-cost meals at the Senior Center. If they had to spend more on food, they wouldn't have the money to pay for medication or housing. It IS that dire for many people.

Also, dumbass Bush is forgetting that some elders can't get to the store on a regular basis. It's also nice to have the social contact at Senior Centers and through Meals on Wheels.

Sheesh. Most commodity food is food that would otherwise be wasted. Why not give it people?

{The answer, of course, is that it's easier to hide lowering food stamp alottments or keeping them the same when food prices rise. If you cut the number of cereal boxes people get, it's a serious sign. Also, food industry lobby, I'm sure.}

[GRLMGC]

54. That's truly evil

Cutting food for the elderly? That's just evil and anyone who doesn't think its evil is just as evil. Jesus...

[LiberalEsto]

56. This program was a lifesaver for me

In 1971 I was 19 and living in a cheap Worcester, Mass. boardinghouse with a boyfriend, having left home and college due to severe family problems.

We couldn't find any kind of work because of the lousy economy there at the time. Also we were hippies, which weren't too popular in this working class town. We haunted the local state unemployment office, looking for job openings; read the classified, knocked on doors. Eventually we did find jobs.

But during the weeks before finding work, this food distribution kept us from starving. Those boxes of government surplus cheese, butter, flour, powdered milk, etc. were distributed to all sorts of people in 1971, not just the elderly, and I was extremely grateful for them during the month or so that we got them.

The jerks who cut these kinds of programs should try living on nothing but these staples for a couple of weeks, and then try surviving without even that. They have absolutely no clue how hard up people can be here in America, and how desperately this type of assistance is needed.

[bigtree]

57. thanks for this

[jwirr]

58. I am one of the elderly that get that box once a month. What

* is suggesting is a cut for the needy elderly. The box last month contianed 5 large cans of juice, 2 boxes of cereal, 2 pounds of cheese, 3 cans of evaporated milk, a package of powdered milk, 2 large cans of tuna, cans of fruit, vegetables and meats. I do not know the value of this box but a good guess would be $40-60. When they convert to food stamps they will lower it to $10.00 each. That is why many of us have never bothered to suggest improvements to the program. If they touch any of the food programs they will merely use the oportunity to make cuts. Compassionate Christians, my ass.

[Dr. Jones]

59. what a disgusting, vile,

immoral waste of a human being Bush is. How much do I have to scream in the Bush-worshippers' faces that he cares about nobody but himself and making money for him and his buddies. I truly think that if (or when) the Bush-worshippers feel the direct impact of his evil policies, then they'll understand. But as long as they have theirs, hell, they don't give a dam.

[DollyM]

62. what was it . . .

Bush said to justify his spending for the war in Iraq . . . something about "protecting Americans" I believe. There is a far greater chance of us going bankrupt due to not being able to pay these dang medical bills that are piling up than of us being hit by a terrorist! In the county in which I live in Illinois, 43 percent of us are without health insurance, that is excluding the elderly and those on medicaid. Those are working people whose employer wants to make more money so they cut out benefits or in our situation, a college that works my husband in two "part time" positions so that they can deny him any benefits. A Master's degree and he works in a job that doesn't even provide health insurance. Just pitiful! Our governor wants to provide health insurance for all Illinois Veterans, this can't come soon enough to save us!

[Nothing Without Hope]

64. The true face of "Compassionate Conservatism" n/t

[Javaman]

65. Our society is eroding...

I remember my dad once telling me that water is the most powerful solvent in the world. Given enough time, it can wear away anything.

the administration* is like water. each and everyday, they spew out something new that further degrades, wears down or removes something from our society.

I love America, but the one I love cares for it's own. My heart and soul aches each time I read something like this.

We are dying as a country...drip, drip, drip.

[One Voice]

66. Disgusting!

This just makes me ill.

"STEAL FROM THE POOR AND GIVE TO THE RICH" should be their slogan.

I hope the rethuglicans ROT in hell, ALL of them.

:cry: