Rice calls Iran a grave threat

[TheGunslinger]

ABC's This Week.

"They've been lying for 18 years".

Sound familiar?

[malaise]

1. Does this woman and her goons

ever stop this bullshit.

[saltpoint]

2. It does sound familiar, yes. State-led demonization of another

country whose oil we want and whose submission we demand.

The Bush team appears to be planning another assault.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. 18 years? Since 1988?

Oddly that would be the year that we shot down an Iranian Airbus A300 with 245 people on board, killing everyone of them, and then claimed that the airbus was attacking the aegis cruiser vincennes.

Can we say 'projection'?

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

4. She can't wait for her husband to press the button...

"Happy BIRTHDAY, Mr. PRESIDENT...Happy BIRTHDAY...to Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu..."

:grr:

[Warren Stupidity]

8. That is one scary picture.

Next time please post a warning. I had to change my shorts.

[Punkingal]

5. She is evil...

Purely evil. I so wish that someday we could see her on trial just like the Nazis at Nuremberg. She says and does whatever Bush wants...I saw him kiss her on the cheek on the way in to the SOTU address. Sickening...:puke:

[ROakes1019]

29. Georgie Porgie

He kissed Condisleezie at the SOTU. I thought, "Georgie Porgie, puddin 'n pie, kissed the girls and made them cry." Who can tell whether this bitch is crying or weeping into her panties? She's so ugly and mean-looking all the time.

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Talk about a grave threat! And lying! She would know about that.

[DemonGoddess]

7. yep

now she's blaming Clinton for OBL still being around :puke:

[spanone]

19. Yea and Clinton didn't have our whole fucking army looking for this guy.

PS Condi....9/11 happened on YOUR WATCH.

[TheGunslinger]

9. "Why haven't we been able to catch bin Laden?"

"He's hiding.".



:rofl: :rofl:

[leftchick]

10. did she use the mushroom cloud bit as well?

:puke:

[lsulib]

11. Of Course Iran is a Threat

to be honest I cant see why people cant see that. Its not all Bush. Europe is scared out of their minds this is quite different than Iraq

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Hmmm....

Welcome to DU.

So do you think we ought to invade now or give it a few weeks and then invade?

[lsulib]

16. There won't be a invasion per se

because we dont have the troops. I expect it will be heavy duty airstrikes. Its an last option but I cant imagine Iran with the bomb. Besides it will cause a arms race in the middle East. Furthermore if Iraq gets the bomb we will have to have troops in Iraq forever. Again a last option but I suspect th4e EU and Nato will prevail at the UN.
Thanks for the welcome

[Warren Stupidity]

20. So that is ok with you?

" I expect it will be heavy duty airstrikes" - we should once again attack a nation, destroying people and property without being attacked ourselves?

"Besides it will cause a arms race in the middle East." - with whom?

[converted_democrat]

36. Why is Iran a threat?? You've been asked now on several occasions

but you don't explain yourself.. Why is Iran a threat?

[stevietheman]

50. But "last option" to Bush is in reality his "first option"...

didn't the Iraq mess teach you this?

[spanone]

21. A snake won't bite unless you step on it or threaten it.

Bush* has stepped and threatened the entire Mid-East.

[LynnTheDem]

25. Yeah right sure whatever.

NOT.

[converted_democrat]

30. What are they afraid of?? Most reports say they are 5- 10 years away

from anything.. Why are they afraid? What is the urgent threat?

[Zhade]

53. Yes, idiots and liars do say that.

But then, educated people realize that the Iranian government, reprehensible as it often is, isn't suicidal.

We also know that Europe ISN'T scared out of their mind. We recognize that to be a lie. Europe is concerned, as all against nuclear proliferation are, but scared out of their mind? Hardly.

[spanone]

12. You'd think they could come up with new adjectives for a new war.

By the way Condi, as a High Powered diplomat, don't you think your words might PISS SOMEONE OFF. Oh, that's probably your goal.

[Sydnie]

13. I call Rice a grave threat

She is getting more and more pissy these days. Even at the Super Bowl she didn't appear to be all that happy. She won't be happy until they have opened the camps for all of us and the lions are once again hungry for human flesh. I think that might bring a smile back to her face.

[madrchsod]

15. iran is a grave threat

the problem is we do not have intelligent adults in the whitehouse who can rationally deal with the persians

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Iran is not a threat.

Iran has shown no interest in attacking anyone. The only nation in the region that is a demonstrable military threat to other nations is the United States.

[lsulib]

27. Iran not a threat?

The blackmail potential alone they will have is scary enough. And dont think they wont. The fact that the current regime doesnt want Israel to exist is troubling. The fact that Iran is continuing lying about its ambitions is troubling. THe fact that if Iran gets the bomb the Saudis, UAE etc will join the happy arms race and that is very troubling.

[converted_democrat]

31. They are 5-10 years away from having anything.. How is that an

urgent threat??
on edit-
How do we "know" that they are lying? How do we know that China won't turn on us if we attack Iran? Both Russia and China have stated that they will not let this slide..

This is ridiculous..

[LynnTheDem]

32. "blackmail potential" OMG let;'s kill everyone in Iran!!!

Geebus fucking Cripes.

And where oh where have I heard that bullshit line "blackmail potential" before... :eyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

35. Blackmail?

Here is the reality of the regional nuclear situation: Israel has either the 3rd or the 5th largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, depending on which sources you rely on. Israel has both ICBM and submarine launch capabilities that make it as invulnerable to first strike take-outs as Russia and the United States and give it the capability to strike any nation on earth. Iran currently has no nuclear weapons capability and is 5-10 years away from even a modest capability, should it choose to develop one. A future nuclear Iran is not going to commit suicide by attacking Israel. The lessons of the cold war are that nuclear-armed nations do not attack each other.

We are right now attempting to blackmail or bully Iran with our threatening and posturing. We have hinted that our displeasure with Iran may result in our use of nuclear weapons against Iran. There is indeed some nuclear blackmailing going on, however you have the source of this odious behavior all wrong.

Saudi Arabia, by many accounts, already has a modest nuclear weapons capability. The UAE is not going to build nukes, it doesn't have the resources and if it decided to acquire the resources it would be decades from having any such capability.

"The fact that Iran is continuing lying about its ambitions" you are assuming your conclusion. This sort of warped thinking is exactly how we justified the Iraqi Blunder.

[TnDem]

37. So, you mean...

So you don't think Iran would attack anyone else with a superior nuclear arsenal because they wouldn't want to "commit suicide"?

So it's your opinion that radical islamists that routinely strap on explosives to kill themselves and their families wouldn't send a missile to Iran at the expense of themselves?

Uhhhh....OK

[converted_democrat]

38. Iran won't even be capable of doing that for 5-10 years...

How is that an urgent threat?

[Warren Stupidity]

47. Radical Islamist are not the same as the state of Iran.

First, radical islamists do not routinely strap on explosives. There are perhaps millions of 'radical islamists', if this were routine then there should be thousands of suicide bombs every day. Perhaps you want to rephrase your massive exaggeration there?

Suicide bombs are in fact rare outside of insurgent groups fighting against vastly superior occupying armies. There was a recent study of the tactics of suicide bombers that you might find interesting as it dispels a lot of the mythology about this tactic.

Here is a quote from the wikipedia entry on the book Dying to Win:
"Pape claims to have compiled the world’s first “database of every suicide bombing and attack around the globe from 1980 through 2003 — 315 attacks in all” (3). “The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions. . . . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland” (4). It is important that Americans understand this growing phenomenon (4-7)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_to_Win:_The_Strategic_Logic_of_Suicide_Terrorism

Just about every one of your assumptions regarding suicide bombings is wrong.

Al Qaeda is the glaring exception here, however al qaeda in total can take credit for perhaps a dozen or so major terrorist attacks outside of insurgencies such as Iraq or Afghanistan. Suicide bombs are typically desperate tactics used by desperate people incapable of resisting what they see as a gross injustice in any other way.

Secondly a state, even the state of Iran, is not remotely the same thing as a terrorist organization. States tend to act to perpetuate their own existence. Offhand I can't think of one state that has deliberately gone out and committed state-suicide, which is what you are proposing Iran would do.

Iran has shown little inclination to act aggressively in the world. It has not attempted to spread shiite theocratic fundamentalism through military adventurism. Iran, if it is building nuclear weapons, and that has not been established, is doing so most likely because it has been directly threatened by the aggressive and hostile dominant military force in the region, a nuclear super power who has hinted on several occasions that it might use its own nuclear weapons to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities.

So yes, I am rather confident that Iran, the state of Iran, has no intentions of committing nuclear suicide, despite your rather deplorable attempt to prove your case by painting all of the muslim world with a rather broad brush.

[Zhade]

57. Suicide bombers are usually the pawns, not the kings.

I think it's a safe bet that the Iranian government realizes that attacking another country with its eventually-to-be-gained-in-a-number-of-years-if-they-work-at-a-steady-pace-and-fix-their-hexaflourine-gas-problems weapons would lessen their time on earth, and thus their power and comfort.

[TheGunslinger]

52. And keep in mind the neocons created the Soviet threat

And the Iraqi threat

[truth2power]

44. It's not a threat. At least not in the way being sold

to the American people.

Please see my post here

[Zhade]

54. Prove their lies, or stop spouting your own.

NT!

[savemefromdumbya]

23. Iran knows it is TOAST if it tries anything

If Iran tries to set off any warheads. The US will take out Tehran and other major installations in minutes. Iran will be dust and the rest of the ME will be fallout. Iran isn't going to pull a fast one. It is Cheney who is whooping this up!

[lsulib]

28. M.A.D. working with Iran?

I am not sure about that. MAD barely worked with the Russians that were atheist. We are lucky we didnt destroy mankind. I dont see MAD working with people that think its their job to usher in Armagandon

[Zhade]

60. 1) Not all Russians were atheists.

2) Soviet Russia's efforts were in the name of the State, not atheism.

3) If you're worried about those working to usher in Armageddon, perhaps you should look at the evangelical nutjob in the White House, who actually believes in that nonsense, and not the Islamic Mullahs who don't believe in that nonsense.

[LSK]

34. they have intercontinental ballistic missles and working nukes??

DIDNT THINK SO!

[savemefromdumbya]

18. When they deposed the Shah

The US put the Shah in Iran but they've had a radical gov for a long time. Why now you ask. this is cheney's baby before he goes down! The Vulcan's are still alive and kicking.

[YDogg]

22. And she's been lying for how long? What a loser.

The drumbeat goes on, and on, and on, and on ...

[LynnTheDem]

24. Them centrifuges were really only good for Saddam's nukes, eh Condiliar?

"Grave threat" now WTF have we heard that before from this same mental midget?

"Iraq is a grave threat..."

"Iraq is a grave and gathering threat"

"Iraq is a grave threat to this nation."

Uh huh. Right.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. EEEK! Another bogeyman! Quick, invade somewhere!

Let's see.

We are on their borders with 130,000 troops.

We are sailing around in their backyard with a fleet armed with nukes.

We are threatening to strike their nuclear facilites.

We have been trying to subvert their government for decades.

We have a long history of war-crimes, genocide, and subversion of sovereign states.

So, THEY are a "grave threat" to us.

Now I get it.

[LSK]

33. where have we heard that before??????

:crazy:

[Dr. Jones]

39. I think it's pretty cut and dry...

the decision to attack Iran has already been made I suspect. Bush turning to the cameras during the SOTU speech and addressing the Iranian people directly; Bush, Rice, et. al. now saying Iran is a grave threat...it's Iraq ALL OVER AGAIN.

How do they get away with it?

[Road Scholar]

40. Same ol' same ol' from Bush/Condi nt

[Seabiscuit]

41. Here we go again! Grab your socks and blow your *****!

[Loge23]

42. Alfreda E. Newman

Did you see this pic?

Could be related.
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Religion

[Beelzebud]

43. Rice is a grave threat.

[hundred6]

45. they are talkin about you guys.....

over at paranoid warrior...

paranoid!! cha,cha,cha!!

[TheGunslinger]

56. .

:woohoo:

[bluestateguy]

46. The little boy has cried wolf, and I'm turning a deaf ear

I can't worry about allegations of stuff going on halfway around the world.

What's on the Olympics today?

[cynatnite]

48. on Faux they had a graphic of places to bomb in Iran...

It looked like they want to bomb half of Iran. :eyes:

[Rocknrule]

49. Are they talking about those poor oppressed Iranians

who we need to liberate by sending them to heaven?

It does sound like an argument Bush would use

[Disturbed]

51. One of the most dangerous women on this planet now...

“You can’t allow somebody to commit the crime before you detain them, because if they commit the crime, thousands of innocent people die,” Condoleezza Rice

[Dead_Parrot]

55. Grave?

Whose grave?

[upi402]

58. How long has Condo been a liar? 18 years???

[benburch]

59. We Interrupt This Thread For An Important Announcement!!!

[Roland99]

61. More details: Weaker Osama is still on the run, says Rice

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1139778363746B223

She said Bin Laden "is not the figure who sat for the entire period of the 1990s in Afghanistan, with training camps there, able to carry out operations, able to use the territory of Afghanistan as a base for his operations".

"We now have an ally in Afghanistan that is fighting against Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda," Rice said.

"We now have allies in Pakistan, who are fighting against Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

"It's a very different situation than we faced in the '90s."

That's interesting. We had allies in Pakistan in the 90s that were helping us to support and train Zawahiri and bin Laden was there, too.

Only Zawahiri and bin Laden were on the fringe even back then. There is no network called al Qaeda. Most of the Islamists are fighting for Islamic states in their own countries. They give a shit about the US. That's Zawahiri with bin Laden as a money man.