The Bush Admin will go to war with Iran w/o going to congress

[Windy]

They will use the same authorization after 911 that they are touting in regard to the wiretape program. That congress gave them the authority to do whatever it takes to fight the war on terror...

[carolinalady]

1. yep same as they did with Iraq. n/t

[thinkingwoman]

2. You may very well be right about that

The "authorization" is certainly broad enough to cover Iran (in the Administration's eyes, not mine) if it's broad enough to cover wiretapping.

Good catch there.

[Windy]

3. They certainly don't want to go to congress again with this

I really think they would have a hard time getting authorization. In their minds, they have "fixed it" so that they don't have to. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

[thinkingwoman]

11. I hope you're wrong too

but I don't think you are either.

One thing you can always count on with this Administration is their tendency to overreach.

[saltpoint]

4. Your assertion has a frightening plausibility to it, but in my bones and

blood I believe military commanders will suggest to the idiot president and his malevolent veep and Sec. of Defense that the military option with Iran, even fueled by the fib of "the greater war on terror," is an untenable commitment, and that the military, geo-political, and ethical fallout would be anywhere from 'very significant' to 'possibly catastrophic.'

U.S. foreign policy has sucked for a long time. Under Bush 2, it's sucked more fiercely than ever before. An assault, even a "limited" assault on Iranian "nuclear sites," would make negotiations in other parts of the world all that more difficult, not that they aren't difficult enough already.

Members of his own party might not support Bush this time, this being an election year, and they being craven opportunists concerned with their own political chances down the road.

The moron fundies who thought Bush was Jesus come to deliver them an uncontested Israel and bury homosexuals alive might hold numerous press conferences condemning the pointless violence and anti-Christian aggression Bush has undertaken.

The risks are high.

But as I say, your assertion has a frightening plausibility, given the ego-driven bully-brained assholes in this current administration.

[Solly Mack]

5. True. Any "war" they engage in, the Bush Regime will use the IWR

as their legal basis for doing so.

[annabanana]

6. They'll claim its the SAME WAR

that they got permission to do everything and anything they want before Iraq. They honestly believe that they'll never have to ask permission for anything ever again...

[Tom Joad]

7. Why not go to congress? Hillary is all for it. Joe's all for it. Who

will oppose it... except maybe John conyers or Barbara lee and a handful of others??

[radio4progressives]

8. apparently with the blessings of the goddam democrats n/t

[FloridaPat]

9. There's not enough time to go to congress with a bomb date of

March. But no one will get too upset if Israel goes off and bombs Iran for "defense purposes". And any retaliation against the US or Israel will bring in the troops. Of course, the air troops will be right next to all those Israeli bombers, but who's going to know.

Considering what I am watching with Iraq and Iran and how invasions are started and how people are lied to by their own government and how people are so blinded by patriotism - I wonder about all the wars that have ever been started. I wonder if all of them are lies by people in power to make them feel more masculine. If all wars are for the leader's ego.

[Speck Tater]

10. If they do it will be the end of America as we know it.

With the armed forces already stretched thin and at the breaking point, and the budget in the deepest hole in history, going to war with Iran, which is a LOT larger than Iraq, would completely exhaust our military capabilities and utterly destroy our economy. The United States would suffer a catastrophic decline and fall from which we would never recover.

[bigtree]

12. they've got drones, special forces, the airforce,

there's a whole host of tools at the Pentagon's disposal to wage a low visibility 'war' on Iran without a big fanfare of approval from Congress. The drones are under the control of the CIA which has a blanket authorization to 'fight terror'.

[Windy]

13. Please read these other DU posts of mine

They contain a lot of frightening information.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=387621&mesg_id=387621

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060119&articleId=1755

The Dangers of Nuclear War: Interview with Michel Chossudovsky



January 19, 2006
Coop Radio Vancouver



Jan. 2, 2006 - Monday Brownbagger


Co-op radio, CFRO 102.7 FM,
Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Interviewer: Don Nordin
Guest: Michel Chossudovsky


DN: I have on the line today Michel Chossudovsky,

He is a professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, and we will be basing the programme today on an article that he has recently written (entitled "The Anglo-American War of Terror - An Overview") that is on the website: http://globalresearch.ca and it centers around the problems in the Middle East particularly (in) Iran. Welcome to the programme, today, Michel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky and http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ONE311A.html.>

MC: Well, it's a pleasure to be on the programme. Greetings and best wishes to everybody in British Columbia.

DN: And you wanted to focus on the issue of Iran. Now, it seems like we are looking at a situation building up with Iran and it is centered around the terrorism, used as a pretext for this agenda that they are building up, this global domination agenda.

Do you want to just get into that a bit, Michel, and maybe you could talk around the issue of the imminent war against Iran?

MC: For the last year or so, the United States, Israel and Turkey have been preparing an aerial bombing of Iran. This went into the planning stage back in November of 2004. In other words, it's over a year now and essentially this operation is using the pretext of Iran's nuclear programme to bomb its nuclear facilities. In fact, what is actually being planned is a nuclear war and that nuclear war has nothing to do with Iran. It has to do with nuclear weapons, which are slated to be used by the United States and Israel and I have looked into the various documents behind this.