Hunters is this true? Per my dad real hunters don't shoot grounded birds?

[wndycty]

My dad told me that if Cheney followed any kind of hunters' code he would not have been shooting a bird that was not in the air, is this true?

LOL EDITED BECAUSE MY ORIGINAL HEADLINE READ: Hunters is this true? Per my dad real hunters don't shirt grounded birds?

[Craig3410]

1. Like he follows "codes".

Heck, he doesn't follow "laws"!

[Jack Rabbit]

48. Real leaders don't go to war against disarmed nations, either

Cheney is a fraud.

[MrSlayer]

2. According to the story it was in the air.

He was tracking it through the air when he blasted on his friend.

[janx]

8. How tall was his friend?

Think about it...

[Sydnie]

18. It has been reported that the guy was 30 feet away from him.

seems awfully low if he was that far from him, doesn't it?

[janx]

24. That has been my question all along.

Normally, quail are flushed out of the grass/brush and rise into the air, where they are shot by hunters.

The fact that this guy got hit where he did raises questions about Cheney's judgment and behavior.

If Cheney was firing on the level of the guy's head, that points to overzealousness and irresponsibility on Cheney's part--not to mention the fact that Cheney didn't know the guy was there.

[malaise]

42. Raises questions about Cheney's...

You needed this shooting to question Cheney's judgment and behavior?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
This is fugging Karma. He will not live this one down.

[havocmom]

21. Probably tall enough that he was not at ground level

Quail and many other birds do not fly high

[TomInTib]

11. It could not have been at any angle. Otherwise it would have been..

so close that SkatterGun would have blown the guys head off.

[TomInTib]

3. Yep. And if a guy shoots on a horizontal you send him to ..

sit in the car.

"Avid and experienced" my ass.

[Ksec]

9. Exactly.

[meisje]

4. .

[Ksec]

5. I guess it depends on the hunter

Most time you dont see them unless they take flight . Ive never hunted Quail, but I have hunted Ruffed Grouse. You rarely see them on the ground.

[goodboy]

6. were they hunting with a dog? If so, and the dog was on point, you

wouldn't want to shoot for fear of hitting the dog, and not knowing for sure what else was in the brush. Were they hunting in tall grass, or woods with thickets?

[EstimatedProphet]

7. It's true in my book

You're supposed to 'jump' the birds, otherwise it's like just picking them up and putting them in a bag.

[doc03]

10. Don't they wear hunter orange in Texas?

[PsN2Wind]

12. Yes

but the also dress the planted birds in orange to make them easier to see on the ground.

[TomInTib]

16. That's wussy in Texas. Only guides and day hunters wear vests.

But that's immaterial in this case.

Mr. "avid and experienced" BirdHunter was shooting on the horizontal.

Totally inexcusable and negligent.

[RebelOne]

45. It's not required it the hunting is on private property.

[rodeodance]

13. I do not consider it sport to shot at a bird on the ground.

[Ksec]

20. Canned hunts are also non sporting IMO

I dont believe in these canned hunts.

[we can do it]

25. You Mean Like Ted Nugent Shooting His Pets?

These guys are all just sick....

[Peachhead22]

14. Real hunters...

...don't shoot farmed birds either, and they damn well don't shoot 70 birds in a day. Cheney should moonlight at a poultry processing plant if he wants that kind of "sportsmanship".

[JDPriestly]

28. I haven't been following this.

Who eats the 70 birds a day? Is that all the Cheney's eat? Why hunt if you aren't going to eat what you kill?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

31. Cheney only eats babys

so...Q. Why does Deadeye kill birds? A. Because he can.

[BlueEyedSon]

15. Maybe the guy was flying. Or in a tree. Or something....

[Lex]

17. I'm pretty sure you don't shoot unless you SEE the game

and identify it.

The worst kind of hunter would be one who shoots at something he hears without further info.

And I'm not even a hunter (my Dad used to be though).

[Neil Lisst]

19. the bird must be on the wing, not sitting on a wire, limb or ground

The whole point is supposed to be to take the bird in flight by leading it properly.

[doc03]

22. Real hunters don't go to canned hunts

and shoot 70 farm raised birds released form cages. There is something I just don't get Cheney is obviously not a sportsman and the only picture I ever seen of Bush hunting or fishing was the one with #41 in the Million dollar Cigarette boat at Kennybunkport. Yet I see these sportsmen for Bush stickers?

[Ian David]

23. The old guy was on all fours flushing the birds out of the brush.

It was a fetish scene he was doing with Dick.

Same thing he did with Scalia all the time, except Scalia was willing to actualy pick the fallen birds up in his mouth.

[KoKo]

37. OMG....you probably got the truth of it....."Gallows Humor..."

UGH....but that's the way I see Cheney..

[Ian David]

38. Gallows humor is, "Humorous treatment of a grave or dire situation"

I don't see this is grave or dire.

A rich, murdering Republican thug shot another rich, Republican thug who enabled the shooter to reach a political position to become richer and commit more murder.

The "victim's" only saving grace seems to be that he thought he might have some misgiving about executing the retarded.

You know retarded people... the ones too slow to get out of the way of an old man with a pacemaker and a shotgun.

I see nothing grave or dire or even slightly sad in this situation, except that they maybe shot like 70 caged animals for "sport."

Now, I'm not against hunting, but I sincerely doubt that even a fat old fuck like Cheney is gonna be able to eat 70 quail.

And where is the "sport" in shooting something released from a cage that can't even fight back?

Now, give Dick Cheney a sword and put him an an arena with a lion... that would be sport.

[Squatch]

26. That's called "sluicing" and it's a mark of a shitty hunter.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

32. "Shitty Hunter"

That's the english translation of an old Indian word, "vegetarian".

[0007]

27. Your father is right... Accordingly Cheney had just jumped a covey

of quail, the quail were in the air and his partner was in the line of fire. he was probably using a shotgun with a 26" barrel and the pattern opened up quite fast.

[karlrschneider]

30. I don't KNOW this but have heard this afternoon they were released from

a cage...does anybody know if this is true?

[0007]

40. I don't know. But it pretty hard to put a covey of quail in bird

cages. I doubt it!

[karlrschneider]

44. I think it's not hard if they are hatched and raised in one. My former

boss raised thousands that way...not for canned hunts but for consumption.

[salin]

41. that, or the farm was also doubling

as a test site for movie stunts and Whittingham was trying out the Peter Pan "I'm Flying" wiring gig. (the whole image of his shooting at birds in the air while simultaneously the other fellow was in the line of fire does conjur up some humorous images.)

[karlrschneider]

29. Short answer NO. I've never been much of a bird hunter (have bagged

a few turkeys but I never had any interest in killing small birds that have about one ounce of meat on them once they're 'cleaned'...like quail & dove.) But of course people historically have eaten pretty every species of bird they had means to catch/kill. The Thanksgiving turkey is obviously one example.

I can't count the number of times I've walked onto a covey of quail, they usually just sit there and go about their business...it's easy to blast several with one shot if you were inclined to do such a thing. The old expression "fish in a barrel" is apropos (athough I don't remember ever actually hear of anybody shooting fish in a barrel...if you already got 'em in a goddamn barrell, what would be the point of SHOOTING them???)

[juajen]

36. That is the point!

N/T

[Road Scholar]

33. Hell, they're walking around. It's like bitch slapping them with

a gun. At least let them try to fly away.I always thought of it as poor sportsmanship, not to mention against the law in some states.

[DemoTex]

34. Here is my guess of how it happened.

Flushed covey of quail rise sounding not unlike a loud rattlesnake. Covey 1 rose (ah, that was a good Vietnam FAC call-sign, Covey) and shots were taken, including Mr. Victim. POW-POW-POW. Mr. Victim comes over near Cheney to pick up his bird. Mr. Cheney is now fairly gun-deaf from the last covey. Mr. Victim scares up another covey near Cheney, and Cheney swings around shooting at that wing-beating, rattling-snake sound. Ping! Mr. Victim becomes a victim!

Mac

[Nickster]

49. Only problem I see with that situation, why on Earth didn't the second

covey come flying up at the same time as the first shot at the first covey?

[bullimiami]

35. it was probably one of those 'canned' hunts for rich creeps.

birds flightless, disabled or released right in front of him so he can murder them. they take those back to the clubhouse and present the freak with some other similar bird for dinner or wrapped up to take home.

[Ian David]

39. Maybe Dick should stick to hunting live animals over the internet

Live-Shot is the target of critical fire

By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff | April 18, 2005

For the first time, a computer game is on the verge of being outlawed.

The game is called Live-Shot, and it has generated such a storm of outrage that legislators in Congress and 17 states are scrambling to pass laws against it.

<snip>

By using live victims, such as deer, sheep, and antelope. In Live-Shot, the players don't try to kill digital aliens or even digital police officers, but living, breathing wildlife. They haven't actually killed any yet; the first Live-Shot hunt, held this month, was a bust. But the mere idea of using the Internet for bouts of long-distance bloodletting has unleashed nationwide fury.

John Lockwood, the game's inventor, doesn't get it. To Lockwood, Live-Shot is a logical extension of the way he's hunted all his life. It's also a way to help disabled people discover the thrill of hunting. But to an unusual coalition of animal rights activists and hunters, Live-Shot is sacrilege, an appalling exercise in remote-control slaughter.

<snip>

Lockwood bought a computer and a motorized camera mount of the kind used for closed-circuit security cameras. He attached a hunting rifle, a gunsight-mounted video camera, and a device that trips the gun's trigger when it receives a digital command from the computer. He set up the rig on his friend's 300-acre spread near San Antonio, which is stocked with wildlife for hunting. Then he connected the computer-controlled rifle to the Internet, and Live-Shot was born.

More:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2005/04/18/live_shot_is_the_target_of_critical_fire/

And I give it another two years before the insurgency starts using something like this against our soldiers.

[Buns_of_Fire]

43. "Codes," like "Laws," are made for lesser mortals than DICK & Co.

The mindset here is to grab as much as you can, as quickly and efficiently as possible. A carryover from his CEO days?

All hail the mighty hunter DICK. What a joke. :eyes:

[gorgan]

46. 70 birds? it's charity!

Dick's going to give the excess birds to the katrina victims still in Houston.

[pdx_prog]

47. My best friend's dad

taught us how to bird hunt when we were about 10. There is no reason for someone to be in the line of fire of another shooter, plus you never shoot that close to the ground. It IS very un-sportsmanlike to shoot a bird on the ground.

[Skelington]

50. I have hunted quail,

and upland game birds my whole life. In general, quail will fly very low above the brush, 5-10 feet is extremely normal. Quail will fly a distance then land and run like a bottle rocket. The more spooked the birds are relates directly to how far they will fly/run.

Not to neglect the obvious saftey hazzards, and precautions that need to be taken anytime you are in the field, anybody who has hunted upland birds has been "peppered" more than once, and usually by their hunting partner. It does happen.

I hope this story will not create a flashfire of anti hunting sentiment.