Was Cheney using "salted loads"? Doc says 5mm shot caused..

[TomInTib]

the heart problem.

#7 1/2 shot- 2.41mm
#9 shot 2.03mm

#1 or #2 approach 5mm. That is about the size of a standard BB.
These are sometimes "salted" into birdshot for serious knock-down power. They will mess you up at 1295 feet per second. Some deep penetration with that size shot.
Of course, they could have been factory loads which can contain some fused shot but I doubt it in this situation. They were probably using brass casings.

Lead or steel? Anyone hear?

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. salted load = dick cheney

[shanti]

11. nah

i'd say he's more of a pants-load!

[Wilms]

2. Depleted Uranium n/t

[Generic Other]

23. Didn't you hear Mr. Simpson? It's not funny

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wait a minute. Yes it is. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[CrazyOrangeCat]

3. Lead or Steel . . .

I've heard both.

30 yrds. 30 feet.

Nothing they've said makes any sense to anyone.

They've been out of touch with reality for so long, they don't even know how to lie anymore.

Assholes.

[Olney Blue]

5. Even the lies are a disaster.

[fooj]

4. Yep. "Loads"...as in LOADED!!!

Peace.

[madokie]

9. The first thing I would do is check the shells both in his possession and

in the gun. My earlier concern upon hearing about this. something smells rancid.

[txindy]

6. Makes sense to me. I've yet to hear a true lead or steel answer, tho. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. DICK PREMATURELY SHOOTS SALTED LOAD CAUSING FACIALSHOT!

That's my new headline.

[AGKISTRODON]

8. "Probably using brass casings"?

Why do you think so, and, what difference would it make?

[TomInTib]

Most high-dollar shoots I have been on used brass, and....

we always used them on hand-loads for both longevity and consistency reasons.

If one wants to pick nits, one can also make the compression argument. Theories vary on this point but I have always thought brass delivers more punch.

on edit:

I should have written "high brass".

[MissWaverly]

10. I just read that 5 millimeters is diameter of your pupil in the eye

that's bigger than what I thought,

Miss Waverly

[PsN2Wind]

12. "Brass casings?"

Brass shot cartridges pretty well went out with black powder. Do you mean High brass which denotes a more powerful load than the standard field loads ( low brass)?

[TomInTib]

15. I misspoke. In Texas we just called it "shooting brass".

Maks a noticeable diference at close range in a smaller bore.

[PsN2Wind]

22. No biggie

I'm just not up on Texas shooting expressions.

[TomInTib]

25. Another thing...

You must be a hunter or have been around some.

Notice how Cheney is wearng hearing protectors (muffs) in the pics?

Ever wear THOSE in the field?
Me either.
Canned birds.

He would not have heard the guy if he had been screaming.

Also read an article from NYTimes where DeadEye shot 70 ring-necked pheasants in one morning in a canned hunt in PA a couple of years ago.
70.
What a psycho.

I have also been hit (in the back) with #7 1/2 (20 gauge) at 35 yds by a total idiot. Planted face down. I thought I had been hit by one of our bulls.

[PsN2Wind]

26. Used to hunt a lot

and am probably one of the few posters to this site with an associates degree in small arms technology (gunsmithing).
Muffs are great for large bore shooting on the range but I would never have used them while hunting. Hunting Gambles here in the desert you need all your senses, cause rattlers don't wear orange.

[skip fox]

13. Did he shoot him in the BACK????

That would explain the reticence on the part of the press spokespersons.

They would hate to hear Dems shouting that Cheney shoots people in the backs as he does the facts (WMDs, Iraqs relation to terrorism, etc.).

[roseBudd]

14. I got the hunting incident report PDF right here

http://bushcheated04.com/cheney.pdf

[AlCzervik]

16. salt the load to kill wingless "Quailtards"? whats the point to him even

shooting these birds and why is it considered hunting?

[AGKISTRODON]

19. Nothing "wingless" about them!

A spooked quail comes up out of the scrub like a rocket.
Small shot is used on quail because they are hard to hit, and it takes a dense shot pattern to get consistent hits. "Salting" a load with a few larger pellets would be counterproductive.

[daleo]

17. 5 millimeters is about a quarter of an inch

For reference, an unpopped piece of popcorn is about that size. It would be a lot heavier than popcorn, whether made of lead or steel.

[Olney Blue]

18. Will we ever really know what happened?

[BrotherBuzz]

20. Only a 'real' hunter uses his own reloads...Cheney ain't real

Probably some stud from the ranch bunkhouse loaded a few hot loads and laid them on Cheney. Cheney thought the ranch hand was jabbing him about his no salt diet when the kid winked and said they were 'salted'.

Oh, the standard lead BB shot is .180" (4.57mm) and is still used by some crazy reloaders in Northern California for wild turkey.

[Zen Democrat]

21. I read that it was 7.5 birdshot.

[Jackpine Radical]

24. The first stories were saying #6 shot. I've heard everything from 9 to 6.

[VTMechEngr]

27. Engineer speak time.

For your pleasure:

25.4 mm = 1 inch.