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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:28 PM
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CNN: Cheney says he's allowed to declassify anything he wants to....
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 03:39 PM by bettyellen
this was on CNN about 15 minutes ago, as part of the preview of the Fox interview.
This is the excuse for the LIbby leak? The one his boss said he took seriously enough to promise to can anyone involved in?
Exactly how did this "make us safer" or help the war on terra?

on edit: i caught the barest snippet of this, and got the impression it'll be part of the cheney interview on later...
anybody see the full thing, have an exact quote or more info???
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danalytical Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:29 PM
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1. ???
The one his boss said he took seriously enough to promise to can anyone involved in?

Can you decipher this for me...
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:34 PM
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14. bush said he would fire anyone involved in the plame leak
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 03:36 PM by bettyellen
and i think this is cheney's "out" for leaking to libby.
wouldn't he have to be halping national security to raationalize this though?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:30 PM
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2. "by executive order", no less. Wonder who THAT was? nt
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:30 PM
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6. Did he say "I am the state" sometime after that?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:30 PM
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3. ive heard this. but it probably needs to be done formally.
NOT 'hey you can tell whoever you want about this' but as far as anyone else knows its still classified.
otherwise all of those daily briefs and whatnot would be declassified now. and they are NOT.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:37 PM
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16. Yes. Nice of them to leave that part out, isn't it? nt
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:47 PM
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19. When did the VP have Constitutional Power to declassify documents?
Has there been a secret signing in ceremony or something declaring Bush incompetent to serve as president? They are twisting Article II to the point where I think they realize they can get away with any lie, any justification.

Forget about it Joe, it's Chinatown.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:30 PM
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4. did HE really say that? that's insanely poor timing!
surely he knows he needs to lay low and pull a terralert until whittington recovers (he hopes)!
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:30 PM
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5. Maybe it's a threat
As in "I can declassify anything I want to."

Know what I mean, squire?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:49 PM
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21. Wink wink, nudge nudge, saynomore!
"I'm not sure I quite get your implication, sir." ;-)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:53 PM
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24. "Do you have pictures?'
"Want some?"
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:31 PM
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7. I saw this coming.
the question is, Can he?

what is the declassification process? or is that top secret as well?
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:05 PM
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28. Declassification schedule is derived from executive order...
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 04:07 PM by BrotherBuzz
It changes from administration to administration. Google might help to find the current executive order.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:17 PM
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31. How it's supposed to work
There are two ways to declassify a document. The first is the easiest: if the item hits its declassify-by date, it's declassified. Intelligence doesn't have declass dates, so we go to the second process.

All intelligence is stamped with "DECL: OADR." Means "originating agency's determination required." You'll look at four basic things:

* do the "sources and methods" used to collect the intelligence still require protection? If the method is no longer used by the federal government, and if you can buy "Little Golden Codecracker" books that teach four-year-olds how to perform the method, you don't need to keep the item classified to protect the method. Similarly, if the source goes on television more than Ann Coulter, he doesn't need protection either.

* will declassifying this information damage the national security?

* how old is the information?

* are we declassifying similar information?

Neither Dead-Eye Dick nor Unitary Executive George the First are originating agencies, so they can't declassify.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:19 PM
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32. Thanks! Hope Fitz sees it that way, too.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:32 PM
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8. am i the only one who saw this? i didn't catch it all.
im watching a report now... stuff on shooting, lobbying......
armstrong's family ties and parsons connection. (#2 iraq contractor after halliburton)...
nothing more. grrrrr.
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:32 PM
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9. if Plame was covert -overseas in past 5 yrs-is he still able to declassify
that info? Why then did the CIA make the initial complaints to the justice dept?
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:33 PM
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10. He can shoot anybody he wants, he can out anybody he wants,
he can drink any beer he wants, "meet" with any ambassadress he wants, he is the VICE President.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:35 PM
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15. Sounds like he needs to have the air let out of his balloon.
...
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:51 PM
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22. LOL... he is da VICE President! da president what is in charge of vice!
:rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:06 PM
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29. More like the President of Vice, it would appear!!! n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:33 PM
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11. Where does the Constitution give him that authority? n/t
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:37 PM
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17. welll, they would be blaming congress again, right?
congress needs to get on revising that shit, right now.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:53 PM
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23. Lieberman: "Right! Maybe down the road we can find some way of
legitimizing that authority so I may also use it when I am appointed vice president"
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:33 PM
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12. they are allowed to be traitors, allowed to break constitution
allowed to be above the law
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:34 PM
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13. So, is he ALLOWED to blow the cover of a CIA agent????
n/t
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:42 PM
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18. isn't any " law breaking" only supposed to be keeping us safe from terra?
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 04:37 PM by bettyellen
how would this remotely be connected, unless they are admitting they had to get their war on through any means neccesary?
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:48 PM
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20. I hope this is true.
That is SO not gonna fly with the public.Sorry deadeye but you are guilty of TREASON.And that aint cool.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:55 PM
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25. Me too. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:04 PM
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26. Yeah, well if that shit stands, we need a new crew in the WH
...who can promptly declassify all of the crap these evil bastards have promulgated during their reign of terror.

What goes around, comes around. The American people want some serious answers.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:05 PM
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27. I SINCERELY doubt the Vice President has that much power.
Doesn't he, Constitutionally speaking, have NO power?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:15 PM
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30. No he can't ...
The Vice Pres. has no executive powers...do they?
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:32 PM
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33. Cheney is Cartman in the flesh
I have my authori tie...............What BS, are we really going to let this madman get by with this?
I see Cartman with his sunglasses & cop outfit slapping his hand with his baton, saying "step away from the car". We have to do what the guy in South Park does and bust him, turn around and say somthing like "hey aren't you the kid from next door?". He needs to know his place his is a public "servant". Cartman needs grounded.
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