PAYBACK for MONICA: Cheney Trysts on U.S. Taxpayer's Dime

[npincus]

WHO the hell is paying for Dick Cheney to go for a weekend getaway sans wife, to go 'quail hunting' with his Swiss Miss, Pamela Willeford?

(thread about her: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=404934&mesg_id=404934)

WE ARE. That's right. Your tax dollars hard at work, so Dick Cheney can screw his Mistress in the comfort of a bosom buddy's Texas ranch, with his entourage of taxpayer financed minions: Secret Service, medical staff, not to mention his transportation aboard Air Force Two.... does Cheney pay for MY extra-marital sexcapades? (Rhetorical, I don't do that).

I am serious. If Clinton getting a blowj*b from a White House intern could be politicized and used to humiliate and weaken him, why the HELL shouldn't Dick Cheney's extra-marital conduct be dragged into the sun? Especially since his giddy, (possibly) drunken behavior resulted in a man being shot! Cheney thinks it's a "private matter". So, Clinton's hanky panky WASN'T a private matter? Do you notice how NOBODY in the media is talking about The Swiss Miss? WHY NOT? Is Rove making nasty phone calls? Was that BEFORE or AFTER he had the MSNBC article scrubbed clean of "beer" references?

Goddammit- whomever out there is in a position to investigate and publish the filthy underbelly of this story, DO IT. I would even be happy to see the Enquirer pick it up.

Payback is a BITCH.

[gasperc]

1. that would be choice if the story of an affair is true

personally, I think he was drunk. but a sex tryst angle would be choice.

[bluethruandthru]

6. I vote for drunk too!

Don't men who are on heart medication (which I assume he is) have a hard time getting...hard? A sexual tryst may be too much to hope for! Plus, what woman in her right mind...??? EWWWW

[jmowreader]

52. It's the sweet smell of long green that does it

There are women out there who will sleep with rich men no matter how disgusting they are.

Also note: Clinton NEVER SCREWED MONICA!!!! The reason she called him a creep was that she wanted him to and he wouldn't. So if Dick's having an affair that includes intercourse, this changes things a LOT.

Starting illegal wars, outing expensive CIA assets and holding secret energy policy board meetings that have maps of Iraq as wall decorations don't seem to be working...maybe this will.

Oh PLEASE let it be true!!!

[Katherine Brengle]

36. HELLO! Aren't we the same people who are STILL outraged at what these

assholes did to Clinton? I mean, seriously--if, **IF**, this is even true, is it any of our business to get into Cheney's bedroom? (Eww...)

The only possible thing to go after here that wouldn't make us all look like fanatical hypocrites is the money trail--not the sex angle. If he's using our tax dollars to finance his affair, then that's an issue.

Cheating on one's wife = morally wrong, but not worthy of political debate and warfare.

[DarleenMB]

63. They made the rules

Now let them LIVE by them. I heard Tom Hartman this morning saying this woman used to be Bush I's mistress. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[npincus]

79. Bush 41's Mistress did you say....

Separated at Birth?

[npincus]

82. ... or simulated vs. freshwater

[txindy]

68. We can decide the issues, ourselves.

But thanks. We were called fools the past few days for even suggesting that Darth might imbibe alcohol, weak heart patient that he is - he would know better! Oh, yeah. That turned out well.

We'll take our chances. But thanks for the concern. I'd post a picture of a kitten now, but I'm all out. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x431164#431164

[mattclearing]

2. Is there a shred of evidence that Cheney has a relationship with her?

Please. Enlighten us.

[converted_democrat]

7. I go on hunting trips all the time without my husband, but with other

guys.. Me and my friend (a girl) go with two other guys who aren't our husbands..Nothing to see or speculate on here.. Keep moving, nothing to see.. :sarcasm:

[mattclearing]

8. Yeah, that's what I thought.

You've got nothing. Stop insinuating things that you have no evidence of. It makes us all look bad.

[converted_democrat]

13. Excuse you?? Last I checked you have no control over what comes out of my

mouth or any other mouth on this board.. I can speculate about anything anywhere anytime..

You're telling me if you went on a trip like this your SO or neighbors wouldn't raise some eyebrows.. Please.. You can't control me or anyone else on this board.. Deal with it.

[npincus]

18. coverted dem, I think that was meant for me!

but you are right on every point.

[mattclearing]

21. You at least acknowledged that it's speculation the first time. n/t

[converted_democrat]

60. No worries either way.. We are allowed to ask questions

as long as it doesn't interfere with the rules, and this doesn't.. Don't let anyone anyone get to you.. That's what the ignore button is for.

[mattclearing]

20. Go on, make all the shit up you want to. n/t

[converted_democrat]

We've had run ins before- That's what the ignore button is for..

I have alot I'd love to say but you're hardly worth being banned over..

[npincus]

38. I'm not sure why

he/she has his/her panties in such a knot- god forbid someone whould accuse Dick Cheney, the Mastermind of the Bloody Iraq Debacle, of infidelity! I'd say 'Ignore' is a good response!

[converted_democrat]

47. I've only had to use ingnore once in the past, and I try to avoid it

because I like to hear what everyone has to say for the most part, but sometimes it can't be helped..

[mattclearing]

41. Insinuating a relationship without any evidence other than the

presence of individuals is extremely deceptive. It's not enough that Cheney admitted that he shot his friend in the face while likely under the influence of alcohol, but we have to have an infidelity angle too?

I was a bit rude before, but the fact remains that the established facts are pretty bad. If he was cheating on his wife at the time as well, then that's a bonus. You're right...the appearance of impropriety is there.

But until there is some kind of factual basis other than the presence of individuals of certain gender, I'm going to give people a hard time for jumping to conclusions.

[Solomon]

76. If I was on an overnight trip with a buddy and two ladies I don't think

people would have trouble seeing that my presence there in such company IS evidence of a relationship. You can't get more obvious than that.

Aren't you the least bit suspicious that we are getting nothing on Pamela what's her name in the media accounts?

[mattclearing]

77. Yeah, I am.

After having embroiled myself in this stupid flame war and realizing that indeed everyone here has totally valid reasons to be suspicious, yeah, I have to admit that it stinks pretty bad.

The tone of the OP was mostly what turned me off...the mental image of "Cheney screwing his mistress" angered me, and I responded without thinking a whole lot.

I've since had some time to think, and indeed, it looks pretty fishy.

[mattclearing]

46. Whatever, "Converted" Democrat.

I've been a Democrat all my life. I don't have to defend myself to you.

[converted_democrat]

64. Classic... You jump on me for speculating, and then turn around

and then turn around and speculate about my political affiliation.. Now that's classic.

I had to take you off ignore, the aggravation is worth the entertainment value in my book..

[mattclearing]

67. I appreciate that.

I figured it was a good ignore test.

I'm sorry for being a total bastard today. I'm not sure what my problem is.

I hope you can accept my apology.

[converted_democrat]

71. I will accept your apology. It takes a big person to say sorry...

Thank you for the apology.. Everyone has bad days.. We're cool.

edited to add- :pals:

[mattclearing]

74. Thanks.

This is not one of my finer moments on DU. I don't know what gets into me sometimes.

[The Doctor.]

43. BWAAHAAAHAAA HAA HAA HA Haaa haha ha!!!!!

Oh fer Christ's sake buddy.

These are the "Family Values" party...

If this happened to a state Democrat, the 'family values' party would ramp up the noise machine and demand his resignation... and they'd probably get it. They would drown out everything else in the 'news' to do it too.
Can you imagine if it were a Congressional Democrat?

A Democratic VP?

There would be a massive investigation into who he was with, why she was there, how well they knew one-another, how much communication they'd had, how long they'd known each-other, how often they've 'been on business' and where....

Gimme a fuckin' break!

The 'Family Values' party is just gonna keep their mouths shut even though they would scream bloody murder if it were anyone from another party.

And lucky for them, you Dems are too discreet to go about making proclamations of impropriety.

You should scream it from the rooftops;

"CHENEY HAVING AFFAIR!!!!"
And then let the chips fall where they may.

But no, you won't play that game, and that's why you are going to continue to lose to these fuckers.

I don't care who you are, it is totally inappropriate to go on a recreational trip with a woman that is not your wife, and Dr. Laura would be all over this if she wasn't felating the administration daily.

[mattclearing]

69. You make a strong case.

I still think it's wrong to jump to conclusions about it.

I like to think that the gift of Cheney nearly blowing his friend's head off under the influence of alcohol is enough for the Democratic Party without trying to turn it into a Monica revenge-fest.

But you are correct that it looks bad and we would not get the benefit of the doubt were the shoe on the other foot.

I hate being wrong. :)

[npincus]

14. I responded

it took a couple of minutes- thanks for waiting.

I have the right to express my suspicions and thoughts in the manner I choose. I don not represent you nor do I represent anyone but myself. And you are entitled to your opinion as well.

[mattclearing]

32. I can appreciate that.

It's enough that Cheney managed to recklessly shoot one of his friends in the face while likely under the influence of alcohol.

We don't have to sex this up any.

If it turns out that there was some kind of infidelity going on, that's a bonus.

But it's a little early to be so certain.

[JuniperLea]

19. It's a valid question

Any vacation type trip with a woman who is not your wife is up for speculation. No harm in asking; someone might accidentally find some other story or stories about the two together. Any way you slice it, no wife but other woman on a trip... mighty suspicious. And we would have never known about it if this shooting had not occurred.

[mattclearing]

25. Did you read the title of this thread?

"PAYBACK for MONICA: Cheney Trysts on U.S. Taxpayer's Dime"

And calling an ambassador "Swiss Miss?" What is this, the National Enquirer? She's not cocoa.

Edit: My point is that it's not phrased as a question.

[JuniperLea]

37. Eye catching thread title is all I thought

Pure speculation when you actually read it. People do that kind of thing all the time around here.

[npincus]

30. a voice of reason

I am wondering why any Duer would be so defensive about Cheney, the Mastermind of the Iraq Bloodbath?

[mattclearing]

33. What makes you think I am defending Cheney?

I'm defending DU from reckless accusations that won't stick and embarass us all.

[The Doctor.]

48. You're missing a very crucial point here...

That freepers have been getting away with that same kind of crap for years... and it works!

The 'moral high road' is killing the Dems.

And when it comes to embarassment, the cost relative to smearing Cheney is insignificant.

I will gladly and openly speculate that he was having an affair in the course of bringing attention to the impropriety of this trip.

[mattclearing]

53. I can appreciate that.

I happen to believe that the moral high road is the only thing that the Dems have left that separates us from the other side.

When we start making baseless accusations, we become no better than them. I don't want to look in the mirror and see Karl Rove. It's too depressing.

[The Doctor.]

59. I understand. But...

This is not such a 'baseless' accusation.

In fact, you don't even have to accuse him of anything.

Ever heard of accusation by inference?

They do it ALL the time.

Just keep asking the question, "What was he doing on a recreational trip with a woman who wasn't his wife?"

[rinsd]

58. The moral high road is one of the things seperating the parties...

Do want to know why people believe the lie that there's no difference between the parties? That both are equally corrupt?

Well this tactic is why. Claiming a tactic is repulsive and wrong and then using it to batter your opponents strikes a chord with the audience even when the opponent is a complete bastard.

[mattclearing]

65. I'm not sure I entirely follow what you are saying.

Are you saying that using such tactics is wrong and creates a false perception?

Or that using such tactics works, and therefore should be fair game?

[rinsd]

78. I'll try to clear it up...

What I am saying is when you decry a tactic as wrong then use said tactic to your benefit it tends to backfire. Not in the short term necessarily but in the long range view.

The morality of making shit up is to each individual. Now people do get upset because they see GOPer get away with it. The feeling that one needs to stoop to their level to win. This is usually conflating with the need to fight back. As if fighting back entailed becoming republican like in tactics exclusively.

Personally I find it repugnant but free country and all that jazz.

I do want people to be aware that this fuels the myths of no difference between the two parties and both parties are corrupt/morally vacant.

[mattclearing]

80. Thanks. That helps alot.

I basically agree with you. I'd like to believe that there is still some difference between the parties, and this kind of thinking, that the end justifies the means, tends to prove me wrong.

[JuniperLea]

39. My thought exactly...

People post those "National Inquirer" type headers all the time. No big deal; just getting attention.

[Sanity Claws]

42. Come off it!

Two men hanging out with two women who were not their wives in a quiet get away? Who would not think of the tryst element? Frankly, married men who are considerate of their wives' feelings do not do this. Really. Even if innocent, they would not do something that looked so unseemly.

[mattclearing]

49. But they were hunting!!!

I don't get how people are turning a hunting trip into a romantic getaway. Can someone who actually hunts explain this to me? Is it possible for a hunting trip to be a double-date?

[The Doctor.]

51. Yes.

People do it all the time.

Especially for the sake of having affairs.

My wife and I are planning a similar getaway next year.
We may even have another couple along.

[txindy]

70. If you're staying on a private ranch of 50,000 acres, it'll be secluded

I hope you and your wife have a good time, too. I wish I could get away for a while. :hi:

[The Doctor.]

73. We'll see, God knows we need it.

We haven't had a real vacation in two years.
It really does tear you down.

[txindy]

75. They were hunting for a couple of hours or so on Saturday.

They were at a 50,000 acre secluded ranch for the entire weekend. I haven't a clue what they were doing the rest of the time.

[JuniperLea]

57. Bingo!

Considerate being the key word here. By the look of evil and hatred on Cheney's face and the greedy and selfish way he conducts business on our behalf, I can't imagine him having a considerate bone in his body.

[papau]

26. Her Husband George the third is on the guest list per Armstrong -

but I suspect he doesn't care if the wife goes down on Cheney - heck - George does does not seem to be walking along with wife -

It is just her and Cheney per her statement.

Looks like George - if he was there at all - was not walking alongside his wife.

[txindy]

72. Yep, the same Armstrong who saw the shooting. Then she didn't.

Now Dickie claims she's an "eyewitness." :shrug:

[stanwyck]

44. I asked my co-worker who was "disgusted"

by the inferences of Cheney having an affair (disgusting leftwing smears) if he went home tonight and told his wife of 30 years that he was taking the weekend off to go hunting at a private ranch with his buddies...and some women...if that wouldn't be a problem for him.
He, for once, got very quiet.
We'd been discussing the 20+ hr. delay. He claimed it was normal for the "police to do their work". (?). I said, jokingly...., that Cheney needed time to sober up and get his mistress out of town.

[npincus]

9. I haven't dusted her for fingerprints,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/cheneys-chappaquiddick-i_b_15711.html

if that's what you are asking.

It is circumstantial: 2 men on a hunting trip with 2 women without their wives, the media's total silnece about the Swiss Miss, Armstrong coming forward as The Witness when The Swiss Miss was also there with Cheney (read huffington post article- she could NOT have witnessed it), the delay in bringing Whittington to the hospital .... and would explain many things. I read on a blog (if I find again will post) that Lynne Cheney was rumored to not have liked Cheney's freindship with Willeford. Rumors and speculation, so far. But it makes sense. Does your spouse (rhetorical) go away for weekend trips with members of the opposite sex?

I'm not a journalist nor an investigator. I simply ask for the TRUTH on this matter to be dug out and that begins with the media asking questions about Ms. Willeford's role in this- witness, or more?

[mattclearing]

10. I'm all for asking questions.

But people are stating it as fact. There's a difference between questioning questionable circumstances, and making wild accusations without proof.

[WinkyDink]

15. Pre-Valentine's Day. With the Veep. Why wasn't she IN SWITZERLAND??

That's what I'D ask.

[yardwork]

89. Why wasn't she at the Olympics?

This is a serious question. Ambassadors aren't asked to do much, but I would think that showing up to cheer on Switzerland's team at the Winter Olympics would be in the job description of the U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland.

[JuniperLea]

28. I took the OP as a cry for an investigation

With some circumstantial evidence used for what one might call a natural conclusion. I can't see how anyone would take it differently, really. I mean, it had an air of questioning about it.


Just my humble take on it.

[npincus]

45. DING! DING! DING!

We have a winner!

You're spot on.

tee hee

[mattclearing]

56. Yeah, see my response below?

How could anyone get that idea?

"Your tax dollars hard at work, so Dick Cheney can screw his Mistress in the comfort of a bosom buddy's Texas ranch, with his entourage of taxpayer financed minions: Secret Service, medical staff, not to mention his transportation aboard Air Force Two.... does Cheney pay for MY extra-marital sexcapades?"

[mattclearing]

54. Oh no, how could anyone get that idea?

"Your tax dollars hard at work, so Dick Cheney can screw his Mistress in the comfort of a bosom buddy's Texas ranch, with his entourage of taxpayer financed minions: Secret Service, medical staff, not to mention his transportation aboard Air Force Two.... does Cheney pay for MY extra-marital sexcapades?"

[bostonbabs]

17. ...no ,no evidence

But too many unanswered questions as to WHY THEY DO APPEAR TO BE AFRAID OF THE TRUTH.....
The Swiss Miss, and Cheney and no others were hunting together and yes that has been stated.....they had just had a picnic where there may have been a" few beers".....it happened at 5:50....sunset...and there is no way that this happened at 30 yards....probably 5-15.....there were doctors there at the site....the doctors at the hospital say they knew he had bird shot near his heart when he came in.........Why oh Why didn't this "on site Cheney medical team"....Know the same thing that Mr.WHITTINGTON HAD bird shot in his chest cavity...heart...throat ...face etc......why not call Corpus Christie Hospital airlift the man to their hospital INSTEAD of 2 hour ride to a local small hospital.......if the shoe were on the other foot that's what they would have done with Cheney........Chutpah....they are hiding something.....

[bostonbabs]

24. p.s........

Chris Matthews yesterday said this"maybe they are hiding the quest list or something"....I do not think that that was a "slip"....we have no proof you are right but to not investigate this would be unfortunate.

[MadMaddie]

3. I have to agree with you....

Many people believe we should play nice and negotiate with these thugs. I disagree, I think it's time to take off the gloves and go toe to toe with the Cabal..Because what we are seeing is they have a very weak chin....they aren't used to people standing up and calling them out. When they are confronted in any situation, Iraq, Katrina, the shooting...they change the story and continue to change it until they think it will go away!!

The Cabal is made up of cowards....most bullies are cowards.

By the way when is Rove going to get indicted?

If this is what it takes to wakeup America to the "Untouchables" then so be it. :nuke:

Power to the People!!

[July]

4. It took some time for Willeford's name to come out, too.

I saw a mention in DailyKos when we first started hearing about this, but nowhere else for some time. Most reports didn't even mention that there was another person in the hunting party.

[tenshi816]

11. It's still not being mentioned is it?

I admit I've not read any US news today that I didn't get from here at DU, but I haven't read or heard anything about Willeford being involved. Has the MSM picked it up at all?

[July]

40. I've seen a couple of mentions (I was watching for them),

but it's been left out of most reports (makes you wonder why, no?). I did see one "ambassador to Switzerland," with no mention that the ambassador is a woman or of what her name is.

[tenshi816]

83. Ah, and when most people hear

"ambassador to Switzerland", most of them will automatically assume that it's referring to a man, right? I'm amazed that this isn't raising more eyebrows than it is, the VP off on a hunting trip with a woman who isn't his wife. We all know that if Bill Clinton had done it, there would be Congressional hearings and the RW pundits would keep the story alive for months.

[jus_the_facts]

5. INDEED it should be used against him in a court o'law.....

...along with the rest o'his CRIMES...but I'll belive it when I SEE it. :nopity:

[SpiralHawk]

12. Cheney's "Swiss Miss" LOL ROFLMAO !

Too flippin much

[npincus]

22. with mini-marchmallows!

does anyone else remember that commercial, or am I dating myself?

[Child_Of_Isis]

16. Of course we paid for it!

While the average Joe (who is footing the bill) can barely afford to go to Denny's for chickenfried steak, the kings and queeens of America have hunting parties and lamb at the WH.

Major welfare queens, I tell ya!

[myrna minx]

23. I wonder if he's had any other lost weekends with his Swiss Mistress.

Hmm....since we never know what he is doing, where he is, etc. he could be having an in plain view affair, totally bankrolled by us.

[Dr. Death]

27. Clinton only shot a blue dress

that's the major difference.

[dolo amber]

29. I thought what 2 consenting adults did wasn't anyone else's business?

I mean, Bill was gettin' his on our dime too. :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

34. Eye for an eye...

Clinton is still being blamed for everything. Nixon was being impeached for spying when he stepped down... Clinton got his over a stupid blow job he should have never said anything about (if he'd kept his mouth shut, there would be no lie) and now Cheney is vacationing with other women... what's good for the quail is good for the grouse. It's just another way of pointing out how the rules are different for Dems... and it's bullshit.

[rinsd]

55. You don't understand politics....

You see the point is to claim moral high ground without actually believing in it. To decry tactics that either you have used or will use as wrong when they gore your ox. Then if caught in that hypocrisy simply claim the other side started it (also know as the 5 year old defense).

You see in politics the languange is hypocrisy with zero moral conscience.

See you can say the words, its about the law and not mean them. The same way you can say its a private matter and not mean that.

It's all about fairness and both sides of the story (when its your guy) until its the guy you dislike is on the hot seat.

This goes for virtually all political types and parties.

[dolo amber]

61. .

:thumbsup: :patriot:

[Susang]

81. If you really believe that....

Then why are you here? :shrug:

[Texacrat]

85. This politics didn't work for the Republicans

You seem to forget that

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

88. To be fair...

1) It IS payback. I don't think people would be jumping at Cheney's throat (and other Republicans caught doing the nasty in not-prude-approved ways) with that much gusto if the Monica thing hadn't happened.

2) Boinking Monica was, in all likelihood, way cheaper if not free. I mean, both of them were already at the oval office.

3) What 2 consenting adults do isn't anyone else's business for enlightened people, not for the knuckledragging "values" voters. If spreading this story keeps some of THOSE at home come election day, that's just peachy.

JMHO.

[Botany]

31. Ohh she is hot.

[npincus]

35. LOL

hot hot hot!

[Hubert Flottz]

50. Dickey had prolly been listening to all her calls and checking out

her emails for months, so he knew just how to push ALL the right buttons. He may have even forced her to go there to the ranch, by threatening to expose some dirt he and Karl had dug up on the little lady, through the NSA's wiretapping and spying, on her incoming and outgoing calls. Dickey probably knew the kind of booze she liked and even knew what music to put on the box, to put her in the right mood.

She may just have liked Cheney to talk dirty to her, like he did in the Senate that day.

I put nothing past the Texas Mafia!

[foo_bar]

62. Cheney putting a woman in the right mood?

I can just see him spinning the Barry White, lighting incense candles.

"We got both kinds: country and western!"

[Hubert Flottz]

66. He prolly rigged her drink with some Spanish Flies and some...

Army surplus LSD! Then pulled out his Saddam Bin Laden Rape Rooms for dummies book and went from A to Z, on that performance enhancing dope, that Bob Dole sells.

Any woman that would lay under Uncle Dickey, would have to have a serious grudge against her entire body!

[Texacrat]

84. Trashing a woman's reputation like this without evidence is wrong

Ms. Willeford is a United States Ambassador. I don't know anything about her, but regardless I don't believe it is right to trash the reputation of a female, Republican or Democrat, without any evidence. To do so is pure and simple sexism.

Are only males allowed to socialize with the Vice President? Regardless of party affiliation, I believe that a woman's interaction with a male in power should be viewed in the same way as we would view a man's interaction.

[lovuian]

86. WOW he is so caught!!!

[Hardrada]

87. I miss my Swiss, My Swiss Miss misses me

I miss the bliss her Swiss kiss give to me.

I hear her yodeling sweet melodies

like the birds UND the bees

In the Schweitzer trees!!

Her dear papa makes watches that are Swiss.

That's why he watches me like this...


I miss my Swiss, my Swiss Miss misses me!

1920's song. Timely, not so?