RE: Cheney incident -- My mother's in a Red State hospital and says.....

[Armstead]

...that people she talks to there who are your basic Republicans are really fed up.

I talked to her on the phone today. She says many of the people there are reacting against Cheney's delay. Based on her conversations with patients and staff and visitors there, she said it feels like this was just a last straw for many people who have supported the administration but have gotten increasingly turned off by their secrecy, ineptitude and bad policies.

Not a scientific sampling, obviously. But she's got a pretty good radar for such things.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Drip, drip, drip ...

It will be a great irony if, after every despicable thing this Admin has done, THIS is what brings them crashing down ...

... but, hey, I'll TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!

[Nikki Stone 1]

2. It would have to be something stupid like this for the BJ crowd

The subtleties of illegal war and wiretapping just go right over their little Red heads...

[Armstead]

4. Usually these things have bigger symbolic meaning

Usually, when something apparently trivial gets caught up in the meatgrinder like this, it's because it represents something bigger.

If Cheney had ben an A-plus Vice President, and the administration was going well, this would have not gone anywhere other than a straightforward "That's unfortunate" news story.

But it seems to embody everythiong that's been going on. So it's more like a trigger (no pun intended) for the growing frustration of peropel for otehr reasons.

[Nikki Stone 1]

10. You make an interesting point

nt

[NanceGreggs]

13. I think you've got something there ...

This is an embodiment of everything else that's been going on: secrecy, cover-ups, arrogrance, irresponsibility, not taking responsibility for actions, etc.

All of it in one neat, tidy package ... a tale told in terms that even the STUPIDEST supporter of this Administration can get their heads around.

I think (and fervently hope) that this last crack in the dam is the one that floods this corrupt administration -- because when that tidal wave hits, they're going to think the Katrina victims got off easy ...

[roguevalley]

14. his indifference is fueling the rage. five to six days later,

he talks about it. Its all I-I, me, my. I imagine the 78 year old man with the new heart condition has had a worse day than this emotionless, souless atomaton. He hasn't apologized and he won't. He's incapable empathy, shame or decency. That is what is pissing people off. That and he shoots like a gurl. Or so someone has said. :evilgrin:

[Armstead]

19. And guns and shooting

I think the fact that it was a shooting accident, rather than a car accident or accidentaly tripping someone, also reflects the violence of this era.

[Armstead]

3. At some point common sense has to trump ideology

If I were an honest middle of the road conservative Republican, i'd be hopping mad right now.

[physioex]

6. Ummm....

Yea but how many are there???

[Armstead]

7. Actually a lot I believe

Maybe I am too much of a nice guy and/or inherited my father's cussedly objective genes. But I firmly believe it is possibel to be a wonderful, moral and smart person and be a Republican conservative. I've met many.

The problem today isn't individuals. It's a systemic mess that pushes down the decent instincts of people and politics.

[physioex]

15. Yea that is possible....

I think when conservatives start becoming apathetic, that begins then downfall....

[havocmom]

25. LOTS of them where I am

They are totally disgusted by all the shit going down and no longer pretending not to notice the mess America has become.

Katrina was a galvanizing moment. America could not pretend it wasn't happening. America SAW those in charge of the government put their hands in their pockets and let people be swept away to die from the water or exposure. Cheney thinking he could just skate after shooting a man in the face and heart is just the last straw for a lot of folks. They now have something concrete to focus their feelings of general disappointment and distrust. They have something they can point to and say: These people who do things like this are not worthy of the trust we gave them. We refuse to support them further.

[hvn_nbr_2]

8. But that common sense point can be a long ways off

It didn't happen for rabid 3rd Reichers until Allied tanks rolled into Berlin. Sometimes I think it won't happen for our Puke Reichers until Dumbo opens too many fronts in a world war and reaps the consequences. And like the previous Reichers, the Puke Reichers will spend the next fifty years denying that we ever tortured anyone or saying that most Americans had no idea what was being done in their name.

[Tsiyu]

5. I am going to totally agree with you

One guy I know was such an apologist for **, if not a supporter.

He was only drinking the koolaid offered by the media and some folks around him.

Now he is as outraged as I am. And maybe he is more outraged than I am because he was duped for so long.

Cheney's shooting the guy is just the tip of a HUGH!1!!1111111!!! iceberg.

I know people who work hard, who have worked for years, who are really suffering financially and physically under this administration.

People were hit in the gut a while back. Now they've been hit in the wallet.

[Armstead]

9. Maybe it's like a bad marriage

People put up with garbage from each otehr for a long time because they want to "save the marriage" or not give up or can overome their differences.

But one day someone forgets to lower the toilet seat, leaves the cap off the toothpaste or burns dinner and WHAMMO! Suddenly all the bottled up frustration and anger of those years come out over one meaningless little incident.

Maybe that's what this is to some Repubs.

[Tsiyu]

16. Everyone has their tipping point

and Amricans have reached theirs.

The only fools supporting them now are the psychos who can never admit they were wrong about anything and the ones who agree with the NEOCON agenda.

[jazzjunkysue]

18. My Dad was Schaivo. They used her. That's cowardly.

[NewJeffCT]

27. sometimes, it takes something small to break the camel's back

Look at the focus of Clinton's last four years - a blowjob! Who fracking cares? How many presidents before him got blowjobs in office from somebody that was not their wife? I'm guessing more than just JFK.

Look at the trouble Clinton's first 2 nominees for AG - Zoe Baird, done in by an illegal nanny; and then Kimba Wood because she had worked at a Playboy Club.

Then, that Ginsburg guy that was nominated for the SC - done in by having smoked pot. That would be laughed off nowadays, and it hasn't been that long.

[Tsiyu]

29. Word

The bar has certainly been lowered.

Add to that a longstanding double standard and it's amazing it has taken this long to wake so many people up.

[Marr]

11. Same experience here with my inlaws.

[Historic NY]

12. The feeling of a "LONG AMERICAN NIGHTMARE".........

replaying itself over and over. I know that feeling.

[cantstandbush]

17. These people have to know that had one of them been shot by Cheney

it would never have even made any news anywhere.

[Norquist Nemesis]

20. Why that just simply OUTRAGEOUS!

How dare she and those around her be demanding to know what is going on at the top levels of our government! They're acting like fools! (Just ask Bay Buchanan! She said the press made "fools of themselves" over the story).

[erinlough]

21. My boss, a good guy, who I've argued with since 2000

and a Republican, just came up to me today and told me he is going to vote Dem for the first time in his life. He says he's had it. I told him we were never that far apart and I hope we get these bums out before it gets worse. I said we Americans need to work together to get our country back.

WooHoo:bounce:

[smurfygirl]

22. All the bushies here are pissed off at Cheney too.

I can't believe they get mad about this but nothing else...the republican mind is one I will never figure out

[Armstead]

23. Yep, you can blow up a country but don;t have a hunting accident

[Brain In Vat]

24. Death by a thousand cuts

There are several things that are causing the Bush
administration to lose support.  A few more and they will
topple.  In a reasonable world any one of those things would
destroy them.

[Armstead]

28. Maybe it's like those Road Runner cartoons

Wily Coyote bets a lot of big boulders tossed on him while hanging off a cliff. He manages to stay up, but then Road Runner tosses a tiny little feather on top and CRASH!

Maybe this is the feather.

[misternormal]

26. If the Bastard...

... had come forward immediately, no one would have anywhere to run with this...

Hunting accidents happen all the time... Several people a season are killed, wounded or maimed by hunting accidents.

Where anything like this is tragic for the victim, the delay in this case reaks to high heaven with cover-up.

I agree that this could be the thing that the "uninformed" righties need to bring a lot of things to light.