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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:28 PM
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Remember how Cheney reacted on 9-11?
Maybe not? Most of us focused on Bush's dear in the headlights reaction. However, Cheney also reacted like a deer in the head lights. It seems that these guys have a real problem reacting appropriately to emergencies. Instead of responding like normal human beings and at least attempt to help those harmed and prevent further damage, they run away. They hide and pretend nothing is happening.

Here's an account of Cheney's non-response during the first 45 minutes of the 9-11 attack:


At about 9:35 a.m., Vice President Cheney was standing by his desk, looking at the TV in the corner. A Secret Service agent said to him, in a tone that brooked no dissent, "Sir, we have to leave now." The agent grabbed the vice president by the back of his belt and aimed him at the door. "They practice this," says Cheney. "You move. Whether you want to be moved or not, you're going. They don't exactly pick you up and carry you. It's more like they propel you forward." Cheney was unflappable about his hasty exit. As he was swept through the outer office, the vice president reached out and grabbed a magazine, a copy of that week's Economist, off the table. "I'm always carrying something in case I get hung up someplace," Cheney explains. "I've got to have something to read."

Newsweek - December 31, 2001 issue
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/newsweek123101.html


Read that again, At about 9:35 a.m., Vice President Cheney was standing by his desk, looking at the TV in the corner.


How could anyone just sit there and watch the attack on TV and do nothing to help those harmed and try to prevent further damage? Why did he just sit there and do nothing? How could anyone react in such a callous way? I guess the same way a person can react to shooting their friend and then sits down for dinner and a drink. No big deal, I suppose?







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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:35 PM
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1. One of his former college acquaintances...
... has said that Cheney was the least empathetic person he'd ever known.

That, if true, explains a lot of the indifference Cheney shows in his actions.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:37 PM
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2. do you know who that was
or have a link, perhaps? (I don't doubt you at all, I'd just like to have it for the files :))
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:56 PM
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17. Doesn't immediately come to mind...
... but a google suggests someone else remembered the quote. Probably from about eight or nine months ago. Down the memory hole, I guess.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:38 PM
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4. I've no trouble believing that it's true . . .
. . . but why did the world have to end up with the likes of him running things? I mean . . . how unlucky could a planet get?



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IggleDoer Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:37 PM
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3. Because he knew that he was safe where he was!
having been in on the planning.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:38 PM
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5. He was watching his handiwork. n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:42 PM
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6. At the same time, Rummie and Wolfowitz watched it at the Pentagon
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 08:43 PM by DoYouEverWonder
and both of them did nothing either.


Paul Wolfowitz

Q: One is, where were you on September 11th? Were you at the Pentagon when --

Wolfowitz: I was in my office. We'd just had a breakfast with some congressmen in which one of the subjects had been missile defense. And we commented to them that based on what Rumsfeld and I had both seen and worked on the Ballistic Missile Threat Commission, that we were probably in for some nasty surprises over the next ten years.

Q: Oh, my gosh.

Wolfowitz: I can't remember, then there was the sort of question of what kind of nasty surprises? I don't remember exactly which ones we came up with. The point was more just that it's in the nature of surprise that you can't predict what it's going to be.

Q: Do you remember then the impact of the plane into the Pentagon? Or had you first heard stories about New York? What was --
Wolfowitz: We were having a meeting in my office. Someone said a plane had hit the World Trade Center. Then we turned on the television and we started seeing the shots of the second plane hitting, and this is the way I remember it. It's a little fuzzy.

Q: Right.

Wolfowitz: There didn't seem to be much to do about it immediately and we went on with whatever the meeting was. Then the whole building shook. I have to confess my first reaction was an earthquake. I didn't put the two things together in my mind. Rumsfeld did instantly.


http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030509-depsecdef0223.html


Read that again, There didn't seem to be much to do about it immediately and we went on with whatever the meeting was.

Funny how everyone in the cabal reacted, or rather didn't react the same way?

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:43 PM
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7. Grabbed the Economist,
Bullshit.

Grabbed the implementation plans.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:51 PM
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8. Classic sociopathy
Also sounds a lot like Daddy Bush's attitude toward the death of his own child. They're all cut out of the same bolt of fabric.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:55 PM
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9. This is why torture doesn't phase them
Has a matter of fact, they seem to like death and destruction.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:58 PM
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10.  It is the same rush they get from bullying
They get to establish absolute dominance. He's a vicious, vicious monster.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:58 PM
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11. wow!
That's a new one I've never noticed. I know Rummy was in a meeting and didn't react. I forget that Cheney didn't react - how is it that they were all watching it on tv?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:59 PM
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12. Supposedly Condi and Lynn were there with him
I wonder if they were all getting off watching the attack?

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:06 PM
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13. I remember Lynne being with him there in the bunker.
Was she also there in his office. I wonder if they were giving high fives?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:11 PM
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14. I guess it was just Condi
at least according to this article, Lynne was in her downtown office and then taken to the WH bunker.


Now, when Bush finally came on the line, Cheney told him that the White House had been "targeted." As the president and vice president spoke on the secure line, Cheney's wife, Lynne, appeared in the tunnel with her Secret Service agent. She had been at her downtown office when the second tower was hit shortly after 9 a.m. She was moved "rather briskly" to a car, she recalls, and sped toward the vice president's mansion in northwest Washington. Abruptly, her car made a U-turn and headed back downtown toward the White House. She arrived just as the complex was being evacuated.

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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:15 PM
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15. Meanwhile Laura is left holding the bag on the Hill
~9:41 Senator Kennedy appears on television with First Lady Laura Bush to say that the "business of America" will not be postponed because of terrorism. A scheduled meeting on education will go on, he said.~

shortly after that, Kennedy grabs Laura and drags her out of the building to safety.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:08 PM
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18. Why didn't they bring Laura to the WH bunker
They bring Lynne Cheney there but they took Pickles out of DC? Lynne had no business in the bunker.

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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:33 PM
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22. ofu of expendability? eom
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:45 PM
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24. ofu~One Fodder Unit
as per George H.W. Bush
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:41 PM
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16. They didn't react because they knew ...
... they weren't in danger themselves. They knew they weren't in danger themselves because ...

they were responsible for what was happening

.

Their failure to react is more proof of MIHOP.

imho ...

-Laelth
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:09 PM
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19. From Richard Clarke's book, pg 18:
Clarke was coordinating the responses from all of the major players during the 9-11 attacks. He had a bank of television monitors that kept him in touch with the White House, Congressional leaders, the CIA, the FBI, all of the branches of the military, and military intelligence.

"major Fenzel whispered, 'but I can't hear the crisis conference because Mrs. Cheney keeps turning down the volume on you so she can hear CNN...and the VIce President keeps hanging up the open line to you'."

I guess Dick just isn't good at handling crises.
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:19 PM
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20. Even more importantly, why didn't the secret service agents whisk
chimpy away from the kids at that school. That is their primary reason to live..protect the fucking president!! Get him and the kids out of that school or at least into the basement or something. Doing nothing at all was not even an option unless they KNEW he was NOT in harms way.

How sweet, while America is under fire the VP of death and doom is reading the economist..pretty apropos now that I think about it..tips on how to invest all that dough he was soon to make from war profiteering.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:23 PM
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21. Makes you wonder who had those put options
on the airline stocks?

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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:36 PM
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23. Yep, down the ole memory hole on that one. That would be so
traceable, when you place a trade the brokerage knows everything about you and the money to place the trade had to be in the banking system. They know who placed the trade alright but it is classified information done so in order to purtect us Amuricans.

I am so sick of this..it is like same shit,different day with these guys and yet they are still in power and I am still sitting behind this freaking computer going slowly insane with the weight of it all.
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