Do you think someone, somewhere has a plan to fight the fascist state

[burythehatchet]

cuz I sure as hell don't.

[rzemanfl]

1. Yeah. But they are not in this country. n/t

[Eric J in MN]

9. Which country are they in? (nt)

nt

[rzemanfl]

15. All the places that "hate our freedoms" and all the countries that

are scared shitless of the wackos in charge of this country.

[Klukie]

2. I'm praying for the ultimate whistleblower.

[kaygore]

3. For some reason the Democrats are playing dead

and so are the few Republicans with a conscience and soul.

[Lin]

"reason" = blackmail via wiretaps-gotta be (eom)

[burythehatchet]

23. could be, I tend to believe that

Democratic members of congress are simply people who sought power and influence. True leaders do not seek those things, leadership is thrust upon them by the people. That's why Hackett scared the shit out of the power structure.

[ladjf]

35. What have they got to lose, their lousy jobs in a rigged Congress?

The outcome of the damage done by the Republican coup will be worse than almost anyone could have imagined. If they were overthrown in November by brilliant and virtuous opponents, it would take thirty years or more to get us back to where we were prior to the Regan era.

[upi402]

43. zactly!

[glitch]

58. It may be worse than that. It may be a protection racket.

You know, play it our way or face another attack. We are dealing with a mob here, in every way. Cheney as much as admitted it last election cycle, remember? A vote for Kerry invited another attack.

[rucky]

67. If a kid from Kansas is willing to sacrifice his life for the wrong cause.

you'd figure a few more Congress critters would risk their precious careers to deliver the truth.

I'm not buying the blackmail arguement.

[Greyhound]

70. Maybe they have the same agenda? Just saying that makes some

of their curious responses, or rather non-responses, less mysterious.

[Lin]

4. I'm losing hope, I mean, WHAT are "they" waiting for? (eom)

[European Socialist]

5. If the polling looked good--maybe the Democrats would.

[leftchick]

6. nope

no one.

[burythehatchet]

10. Did you see the trailers for "V for Vendetta"?

That's what made me think of the question. Somehow seeing that fantasy just for a little while made me feel better. Check it out if you haven't already
http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/trailer_2.html

[leftchick]

24. I could not watch it there

for whatever reason so I went to Yahoo and saw it full screen. It looks fantastic. I don't have my hopes up for a certain savior. More like another country coming to Liberate us in about 10 years. :(

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1808632423

[sarcasmo]

59. People should not be afraid of their Government, Government should be

afraid of the people. I think that should be the Democrats slogan for 2006 and 2008.

[KittyWampus]

13. Leftchick, then who do you think keeps leaking stuff to damage Bush

and the NeoCons on a steady and relentless pace?

[atreides1]

19. But cryingshame

With every leak, Bush keeps tightening his grip. Besides, the Republican controlled Congress keeps bending over backwards, and makes back room deals with the White House.

So even with the leaks nothing is happening!!!!

[leftchick]

20. probably one of the many brave whitsleblowers we have had

who have been marginalized and demonized by our so called media and the repukes in congress. My point is they can not overcome those obstacles so no, no one can save us.

[Eric J in MN]

7. No. There won't be a hero.

It's up to each of us to do our own small part.

[FloridaPat]

8. I think we are going to hit bottom before enough people are

interested in creating the country we all thought we had once upon a time. Looks like * has figured out enough people are getting sick of everything and will start putting them in jail when the riots get too big. There seems to be no help from the MSM, the courts, or the Democratic Party. Everyone else is too small - like Nader.

[Gato Moteado]

11. americans, by and large, are dispassionate

we will sit at a keyboard and complain and attend a few peace rallies but if we were going to put our foot down about the fascist takeover by the repuke party and their corporate masters we would have done it by now.

as long as there's a TV, a car in the driveway, food in the fridge, etc we're not going to risk our careers and material wealth by making a stand. you know it and "they" know it.

in eastern europe and other parts of the world people armed with nothing more than rocks and bottles will stand up to tanks and armies. not here. no chance.

[burythehatchet]

18. Freedom's just another word for nothin left to lose

truer words were never spoken. You're right.

[demgurl]

12. I thought about this the other day.

We have no free press to get everyone outraged. We have protested but the regime, of course does not care. It would appear the voting system is not being repaired.

It would seem that they do not care what anyone thinks except for themselves and other than a full out revolt nothing will ever change. I just see no way around it. I think a lot of us see it that way and that is why we are hedging our bets and seeing if we can get the hell out of dodge. At one point in time I would have been at the front of the fight but now that I am a parent all I want to do is protect them from all harm.

[European Socialist]

14. Bayh and Vilsac got a plan--Be nice to the Folksy Dictator.

[burythehatchet]

16. That's friggin hilarious

:rofl:

Actually Joe Biden is a superhero by night. CoMbOvEr MaN

[ladjf]

36. Screw and disregard those total wimps. They have no answer.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

17. All I have is advice from Alexander Sholgintzen (sp)

paraphrased because I don't have the exact quote, If, when they went out each night to round us up, they knew that some of them won't be coming back, we might have made a difference.

Or, to quote Emilio Zapata, "Better to die on your feet than live on your knees".

I have watched the Bush Nazi's destroy this country and turn it into a theocratic dictatorship. A country where you have no say unless you are a donating member of the ruling party. A country where you can't get a meaningful job unless you are a member of the ruling party (see K street project). A country where spying on the citizens is deemed acceptable and objections are called unpatriotic. A country where the opposing party is irrelevant and ignored. A country where torture, loss of Habeas Corpus, search and seizure of heretofore protected information is now patriotic, indefinite imprisonment without charges, and cruel and unusual punishment are accepted policy is sold to us as "fighting terrorism", A country where we are told to give up our liberties in order to protect them, and, the average citizen is so brainwashed as to accept this fucked up logic.

I know this has been done throughout history. I am willing, like our forefathers, to die, fighting this totalitarian takeover of our country.

I sincerely hope we can fight them in Washington, so we don't have to fight them in our streets but I, personally, have already made up my mind. When they come to take me to the detention camps currently being built by Halliburton, some of them will not be going home that night.

Edited to add, my avatar is the medal of resistance, issued to the folks who resisted the Nazi's in France. We should have such a thing here. I expect we will have before too long.

[burythehatchet]

21. This is where my dilemma lies

I am an adherent (or at least I try) of Gandhi's teachings. For my cause I am willing to die, but I am not willing to kill." See my dilemma?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

30. Totally!

I think we must all resist in a manner that fits us, but we must all resist. Unlike you, I am willing to kill, but I totally respect your position.

I, personally, try not to even step on bugs. My every day philosophy is very much Mahayana Buddhist. Where I differ is that my study of history tells me that some blood, sometimes, needs to be shed and we did not achieve liberty by pacifism. Buddha knows, I would have preferred that path. Unfortunately, that will not stop the neo-con Nazi's.

I have decided that for me, personally, I will fight to my last breath. I respect your position and wish the world would too. I just don't have that much faith in mankind.

I am not so naive that I think I can fight the people in power and survive, but I think our founding fathers had the same problem, yet, they were willing to try. I can't even imagine how frightening that must have been, but, they did it. I feel the same way now. I have lived to a comfortable, middle age. Fuck em. If I die now, I have lived a very interesting life.

[burythehatchet]

31. Being in my mid 40's I too have had my share

of life. Its my sons I feel sad for. As far as violence, the irony of my position is that being Indian, my family is of course classified into a caste. Our's is the Warrior caste, and as an Aries I have a natural tendency towards physical confrontation. Thia is ironic because I've spent my whole life fighting my natural instincts in order to try and find the path of Ahimsa (non-violence). Funny little world.

[sarcasmo]

60. Don't worry there are those of us willing to KILL for our freedom.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

27. Yes, Solzhenitsyn has a passage in which he wishes

that when the NKVD (predecessor of the KBG) went out to drag people out of their homes, their neighbors had not cowered in their own apartments but had come out to meet the secret police with clubs and frying pans.

Ever since reading that, when I've seen news reports of people in black and Latino neighborhoods coming out to hassle the police who are arresting someone, I think, "Good for them. Maybe the person being arrested is guilty, but the neighbors aren't taking the cops' word for it."

[LibertyorDeath]

22. Yes.....China

Things are not looking good.

[ladjf]

37. If China continues their progress both economically and militarily,

the day will come when the can call the President of the U.S. and inform him/her that it's over. They have a hundred thermonuclear war heads in three dozen satellites all aimed at the top American cities and that unless the U.S. surrenders immediately , the top 30 American cities will be obliterated in 15 minutes.

The Chinese are wealthy, cunning and RUTHLESS.

The U.S. is heading toward bankruptcy, our leadership is incredibly stupid but also RUTHLESS.

Meanwhile, the rest of us sit around worrying about who will be the American Idol or some other diversion. People on the Gulf Coast continue to live in squalor with no significant help from anyone.

[havocmom]

25. Why else would the NSA be so friggin busy

listening in on everybody? They know they should be fought by somebody and they damn well intend to head 'em off at the pass

[burythehatchet]

26. Funny you say that - my post from last night....Why they spy

Its time for all of us to face the reality of why they are spying. BuyingThyme wrote an excellent post about the nonsensical "debate" that is taking place regarding the spy program. Suffice to say we would be foolish to assume that millions of us aren't being spied on, and it ain't got nothin to do with international phone calls.

So the question is why. I'll tell you why. I just watched the trailers for a new film called "V for Vendetta". (Its amazing to me that the film is even allowed to be released). And it became clear to me that all our fears about the fascist state are going to be realized. They are spying on you because they are preparing for the battle. The "Long War" as Rumsfeld coined the phrase is against YOU. YOU are the terrorists.

You all can forget about Conyers' letters and Kucinick's speeches. You can forget about Plame and Fitzgerald. You already know that the idea of elections is a distant memory. There will be no such thing. Its time to face up to the fact that the fascists have already won and the only thing they are preparing for is the time when the few among us will rise up against them. They need to know who we are so they will be ready. Most of us will go peacefully, because we will be unable to defend ourselves. Some of us may put up a fight. But these are mere details.

Haven't you wondered why they don't care about the economy? Because the damn economy won't matter. Only weaponry will matter.

Print out this post folks, and think of Burythehatchet when life looks like nothing it is today. Jesus I hope I'm wrong.

God have mercy on our souls.

[havocmom]

29. I admire, and advocate non-violence, but remind all that democracy

is not a spectator sport. Waiting for that vague somebody to come along and fix things isn't gonna work.

Someday, my prince will come... = magical thinking.

I fear the population is waking up too late. You are right, it will all boil down to weapons, and they have all sorts we don't even know about. The enablers are foolish sycophants who hope the masters will toss them scraps from the table.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

32. For God sake, don't give up yet

Look at what a bunch of un equipped, unarmored, unorganized "insurgants" have been able to do to the most well financed, well equipped military in history. I have hope.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

41. I understand

That is why, for the first time in my 55 years on this earth, I am arming myself. How sad.

[ladjf]

38. They aren't learning anything about terrorist because the terrorist

know how to communicate without detection. If internal blackmail and control of American citizens the gvt. is after.

[havocmom]

42. you are correct

It is for the control of the American population via control of all persons of influence.

The phantom terrorists are just something from their tool box.

[Capn Sunshine]

28. If they do

I sure wish they'd give me a call so I'll sleep better.

[Peace Patriot]

33. Election reform! We MUST get Bushite corporations and their SECRET,

PROPRIETARY programming code in the new electronic systems out of our elections, and return vote tabulation to the public venue. And it is doable. I don't know how much of a window of opportunity we have to get it done, but control over election systems still resides at the state/local level where ordinary people still have some influence.

The reason we have 60% to 70% of the American people opposed to the Iraq war, yet we still have that war, is NON-TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS. Two Bushite corporations basically took over all vote tabulation during the 2001-2004 period, enabled by Tom Delay's and Bob Ney's $4 billion Congressional boondoggle for electronic voting. No controls were put on "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, or on anything else (such as lavish lobbying of election officials*), and no paper trail was required. THAT is how the Bush junta stayed in office. And it's not just the war--the overwhelming majority of Americans opposed every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic, and have for some time, in addition to giving Bush/Cheney miserable approval ratings. Kerry won the election--and this was kept from the American people (along with the non-transparent, hackable nature of our election system) by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, who DOCTORED their exit polls, late on election day 2004, to 'FIT' the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secret vote tabulation formulae. And two thirds of Congress was election in the same way--by Diebold and ES&S.

We MUST change the way votes are tabulated, or our democracy is over.

Some resources:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting)
www.verfiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.UScountvotes.org (monitoring of '06 and '08 elections)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)
www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)
Sign the petition (Russ Holt, HR 550, great bill-has 169 sponsors). http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)

Also of interest: (Bob Koehler--very bad machines in Ohio, recent)
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

[ladjf]

34. A small handful of insiders could end this nightmare if they could

overcome their sense of greed,lust for power and perhaps, fear.

[sproutster]

39. Yes, economically hurt them.

Just stop consuming. But for it to work we need numbers. Same with peaceful resistance. Shut it down. But it takes a LOT of us.

[slaveplanet]

40. Ahh yes, the stench of reality

They aren't listening for terrorists...they are the terrorists
The prize isn't Iraq/Iran...the prize is us
and 40M fools were sold on their great delusion... Hook, line & sinker

[Katherine Brengle]

44. I do... n/t :)

[upi402]

46. can't get your website Katherine

:shrug:

[Blue_Tires]

45. i've been trying to come up with one for awhile now

my problem is of course money, finding some strong allies, and coming up with a decent plan (so far, the only ones I have been able to consider are sanguinary, to put it tactfully)

[OneBlueSky]

47. we need ONE leader to emerge who will tell the truth . . .

someone willing to stand up to the corporatocracy and tell the American people the truth about EVERYTHING -- 9/11, election fraud, the true fiscal state of the US, the BushCo/PNAC plan for global dominance, the state of the environment, corporate control of Congress, and all the rest of it . . . better yet, we need a committee of respected Americans to stand up and do it . . . individuals who middle America will listen to and trust . . .

at this point, though, it's a pipe dream . . . either our "leaders" don't know the danger BushCo poses -- or they know and are too scared to put their asses on the line . . . apparently, there are no more American heroes . . .

[Mme. Defarge]

54. Al Gore

[Catrina]

48. I've wondered about that ~ on another board, someone suggested

the generals might have a plan .... look how many war veterans are running for office this year, it's unprecedented, and they're all running as Democrats ~ we haven't batted an eye at that, yet it would have been unthinkable two years ago. I would have thought they would run as Republicans, if they ran at all.

So, it occurred to me the other day, that maybe that's the plan. A literal army taking over Congress, although I don't know why they wouldn't also run as Republicans ~

It was just a thought though ~ and probably isn't the case. But what if someone did have a plan like that? It would be non-violent and very Constitutional ~

We have the power to stop them, but not the will. Money is what gives them power. Also the media ~ if there was enough organization to boycott (cancel) the media and stop buying their products, that would be a small step forward.

Withholding taxes is another way ~ but that too would have to be organized and very big ~

Nationwide strikes, and anyone with money in the stock market, taking it out and if necessary, crashing it are other possibilities.

Doing these things would probably cause problems and make life a little less comfortable for a while, but if it worked, and Congress was restored to real Americans, not globalists, we would learn the truth about the crimes they are now covering up, for one thing, and could recind all of their draconian laws.

Doing all of these things (and whatever else anyone can think of) at one time, would be even better and would probably get results faster.

They have refused to listen to the people, on every single issue ~ yet, there is still no real outrage ~ so, it will probably continue to get worse before the public is ready to let them know who they work for ~

Meantime, the elderly will not be able to get the medical treatment they need, children of the working class will now have difficulty going to college, there will be never-ending war, any crimes they commit will be covered up etc. etc.

Some day a real leader probably will emerge ~ but until then, I've given up hope that anyone can stop what's going on ~

Oh, and the 'right' and the 'left' will have to stop fighting each other ~ I believe that has been orchestrated, with hate radio, Fox, etc. They know that 'united we stand, divided we fall'. I did see signs of a freeper rebellion today on another thread ~ hopefully it's not temporary ~ anyway, that's all I can think of ~

[burythehatchet]

51. Excellent points

I was actually hoping the Generals would have stood up to Herr Rumsfeld when Murtha came out with his statements. We don't hear much even from him anymore.

[Catrina]

61. True, but there are now 56 Veterans, maybe 57 if we count, DUer

Carl Sheeler, who is running and outright calling for Bush's impeachment ~ he has put a huge billboard demanding impeachment on 1-95 in Rhode Island. He has a thread here and needs support from around the country, in his bid for the Senate in RI.

I would never have thought a billboard like that would stay up just months ago.

Maybe Murtha accomplished the first part of his goal. People listened to him, he was very believable and effective. Much more trustworthy than anyone in the Bush cabal. It's been said that he was speaking for the Generals because they could not do it themselves.

He may now be working in the background ~ and maybe this is why Bush et al are so set on being allowed to spy on Americans.

.....................

One other thing that makes me think someone, or a lot of 'someones' are working to save us from Fascism, is how in synch the indictments and arrests of Republicans in the various scandals seemed to be.

It's almost as if it were planned. After all, if Bush and Cheney were impeached, we'd still have puppets Hastert and Frist or Delay. But all three have now been compromised. The first time in history that all three Congressional leaders have been under investigation (and/or) indictment at the same time!

And there are the indictments and arrests of WH officials, like David Safavian and Libby with more on the way.

The Pentagon Spy case is moving forward also with three arrests, one conviction (Larry Franklin) so far and that leads directly to Feith and Ledeen both now under investigation and the Office of Special Plans is shut down. This case, like the Plame case, leads to the Forged Niger documents and hopefully another investigation with more convictions.

There are so many more, the Abramoff affairs with more convictions, three so far, Abramoff, Kidan and Scanlon and lots of people under investigation, all Republicans.

There's way more, but you know what I mean. We thought all these scandals would be swept under the rug and I thought they were forgotten, but suddenly they reappear in the news with actual indictments, almost simultaneously seriously undermining the cabal ~

The release of the DSM also, who's doing that? So, I am hopeful that it is planned, weakening them by removing members of the cabal one by one, legally ~ and I think that Cheney is the main target in the Plame/Wilson case.

Actually, if it is a plan, it's brilliant.

1) First co-ordinate prosecutions, hold off until that can be done ~ (remember Comey would not go along with this Administration's spy program and he appointed Fitzgerald) and then ...

2) Indict a pile of them at the same time (that happened ~ Larry Franklin, Safavian, Libby, Tom Delay, Kidan, Scanlon, Abramoff and the three Mafia associates of Kidan, in the murder of Kidan and Abramoff's business associate, eg)

3) Put others on notice that they are under investigation (or make them aware they are under suspicion). That too happened, Frist, Hastert, Delay again (this time in the Abramoff case), Blunt, Doolittle, Griles from the Interior Dept., Burns, Ney, Cornyn, Ralph Reed, Grover Norquist, Feith, Ledeen, Rove, and even Cheney himself and perhaps, Bush along with Condy and others.

This keeps them all rattled, and makes them untrusting of each other, where before they were like a machine working totally as one unit.

4) Root out certain, possible plants in the press who help 'catapult the propaganda' ie, Judith Miller, Woodward and cast doubts on their credibility finally by showing them up as being involved in the telling of lies. Now both are pretty ineffective, we're aware of them so they can't be used anymore, along with Novak ~

5) And, if my theory was true, get an army of military guys to take back Congress by running for office, after which investigations and impeachments can begin!


Remember what Libby said to Judy when he wrote to her in jail, right after Larry Franklin decided to plead guilty in the Pentangon Spy case? 'The Aspens are turning, they turn in clusters because they are all connected at their roots'. More and more it is becoming obvious that they are all connected,(roots) but in various groups, (clusters) rather than as individuals eg:

The Clusters??

1) The neocons, (Ledeen, Cheney, Perle, Feith, Rumsfeld, Worlowitz, Hadley, Libby et al.

2) The Christian Right represented by Ralph Reed in the administration as far as access goes.

3) The Corporate/Military Ind. Complex, Bush/Rove/Cheney/Halliburton and lots of others, too many to mention here.

They all shared a goal, that was war in the ME, but maybe for different reasons once they got there ~ so they were 'connected at the roots' but the 'clusters' could be the different factions, with a common goal.

Maybe Libby was referring to the guilty plea of Larry Franklin, and knew that Abramoff, Scanlon and Kidan were ready to plead ~ and he knew that meant they all might 'turn' in order to save themselves ~ 'the Aspens are turning'??

Also, we know now that many real patriots, like Comey and others in the FBI, CIA and Military were also deeply concerned and maybe taking action to protect the Constitition they swore to protect, from behind the scenes. They've alienated so many people, and they took total loyalty for granted, but even Ashcroft in the end, found he could not go along with them totally.

Anyway, it's fun speculating and keeping hope alive that help is on the way, and this nightmare will be over soon. :-)

[CarlSheeler4U]

74. Thanks for recognition We can do this together

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/19/1730/42036

Carl
Sheeler for US Senate
www.carlsheeler.com

Be a patriot and pass the bulletin board link to every person you know and every blog you can and ask the same from them, too.

[Tsiyu]

49. If there is a god, she, he or it might have a scheme

And there are no doubt a few of the Militia types roaming around attending gun shows who don't think Georgie is racist enough. They prolly still have a few notes written down somewhere.

And if the UN declares martial law, I hear the Chinese would be the standing army in the US - one might imagine they have a scenario scribbled out.

And maybe there are some US Generals and Admirals and brainy civilians who have pecked out a Plan B should the NeoCons force their fake Armageddon on us. (You DO realize that this is how they expect to achieve their final coup, don't you?)

Most of us wish to solve problems non-violently. We want peaceful solutions and reasoned behavior from our politicians.

The problem now? We are being ruled by violent people, with no regard for life or law. Human life, human blood, ideals, truth are all dismissed as irrelevant and easily sacrificed to the NeoCon.

How can we get non-violent solutions out of barbaric beasts such as this administration?

It's the question on everyone's mind, but no one wants to be the one to ask it, and then...well, who has the answer?

[rman]

50. "We are the people we've been waiting for"

a most appropriate quote for this occasion.

[H2O Man]

52. I do.

I'm ordering my roses for the spring. Every year for the past decade, I've had over 800 blooms, including over 150 on a single miniature three years ago.

This year, in rural upstate New York, I had blooms on two outdoor plants as late as Christmas.

[Cats Against Frist]

65. Are you sure those roses aren't aspens??

;-)

[Greenbeard]

53. The tipping point is different for each individual

What is your tipping point?

I have been asking this question to many folks lately. The most common answer is something like genocide on the scale seen in Rwanda. As many of us here know by that point it will be too late.

I try to direct them to Al Gore's speech made on the anniversery of MLK's assasination. Some read it and wake up a little. Most others are simply too apathetic and lazy.

If we have to wait to the point we are being rounded up to stand up and fight we are in trouble.

The other most common answer is proof that the elections have been rigged. We need this proof desperately and must do all we can to shed some truth about election fraud this time around.

Many of us here are very close to our tipping point or have already reached it. If that is the case then you must do something. Anything. Personally I have started to write a book entitled "A Letter to America."

Will measures such as these do any good? Will I be determined enough and fight the apathy long enough to finish it. Who can say, but I sure as hell know I better start to do something.

Good luck and Godspeed brothers and sisters.

[Mme. Defarge]

55. I've got to think that somewhere in the halls of power

there are some serious private conversations going on. I can't imagine that none of our leaders in opposition to this administration understand that what has been happening since November of 2000 isn't business as usual.

[Generator]

56. Wondering

Last night I was thinking the same thing. Where are the adults? Where are all the people that are still Republicans but despise what Bush has done and is trying to do to this country? They are not all dumb. They are not all deluded. I was thinking of people like John McGloughin-that show on PBS. It was a repeat last night. Why don't they say what everybody knows? This administration is the biggest threat this country has ever had. Beyond the wars it proposes. BEYOND that. What it is doing to this country. My husband is a Democrat but more to libratarian side- he never believes a conspiracy-(he gets so irritated with me about that) but he had suspicions about the election of 2004-he sees what Bush is doing-when I first started ranting about fascism he thought I was near nuts. Now he agrees with me. He sees it. We don't know what to do.

Congress with letting the spying thing go, with letting the signing statements go, as made itself irrelevant. Apparently all they care about is picking up a paycheck. Can't they get a job in a corporation for that?

GODDAMN it! They are there to protect OUR rights. The sepARation of powers between the president, the congress, the states, the courts. This is the great America we were told was our birthright because of our great constitution. The country is only as great as it's people. And I feel we are all failing.

[Twist_U_Up]

57. Its the media stupid.

<sorry about that quote,no hard feelings intended>

until we have a national media source that is willing to expose these nazis and until most people can view,it will continue to get worse. Until people hit rock bottom and realize they have been scammed the real revolution will sit in slumber.

[burythehatchet]

63. Unless a new media structure emerges

the current sorporate is a long lost hope. I think you can assume that FoxCnnMsnbc is not going to change one bit. The networks have had their newsrooms gutted.

[FearofFutility]

62. Don't have a plan

But we need to stand up and fight. I read this in my paper today and think it's a very well written call to action.

http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/06049/657337.stm

Some things are sacred, after all. One would never expect a man to stand aside and be silent if his wife were ravaged before his eyes or his house destroyed. Such a man would deserve neither his wife nor his house. Similarly, to see one's country debased and do nothing simply means that one is not worthy of one's country.

[burythehatchet]

64. Its a nicely written essay

but its the same as hundreds of other finely written essays. I wonder if someone, somewhere is actually doing something with the understanding that democracy is already lost and working within the system is no longer possible.

[FearofFutility]

66. I want to believe that there is

but it may be futile. We may be too far gone.

[yellowdogmi]

68. Does pitchforks and torches count?

Not much of a plan but I would like to see it happen. Imagine a mob in Lafayette park (across the street from the white house) Lighting torches. Would that unnerve some repuke fascist scum. I would advocate this but I imagine the response be to shoot one of us. Of course that is what got the whole experiment started in the first place. The blood of patriots. Of course the MSM would spin it as the blood of some deranged whack jobs. I have been thinking on this for quite a while. What to do when it is time to take action into our own hands. I pondered targeting faux news outlet antenna's. I also pondered senseless mayhem against diebold assets. But those are probably better targets for the new army of the potomac. Sometimes it is just to hard to contemplate. While I know the cause is just, I would have a hard time sending fellow citizens out to martyr themselves. So back to the drawing board. As soon as I have it figured out, I'll let you all in on it.


Or
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=460870&mesg_id=460870

[ComerPerro]

69. If they do, they will be dead soon. Don't worry

[dogday]

71. You have to be able to acknowledge a "Fascist State"

even exists before you can fight it, and there's the rub. People don't know the truth in this country, they take the sound bites from TV and go on down the road.

[burythehatchet]

72. today - yes

but not for long. There is the 20% that want fascism because its wired into their minds. But the mushy middle will wake up soon.

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. No. I don't. n/t