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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:44 AM
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Listen to DN! today to put Abu Ghraib & Gitmo in context
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 12:50 AM by lostnfound
Today's edition of DemocracyNow! had segments devoted to the new Abu Ghraib photos, and to the history of the CIA development of psychological torture "from the Cold War to Abu Ghraib".

It's well worth a listen, quite thought provoking, but chilling. The sadism or evil that must be present, for the detailed refinement of torture techniques to be so consciously planned in Washington, is pretty clearly equal to the sadism that existed in the 1940s. For now, it is on a somewhat smaller scale, I will assume, but there is no doubt that it is darkness unleashed.

I am reading "Night" by Elie Wiesel. Elie Wiesel wrote that what kept those in the ghetto trapped wasn't armed men; it was delusion. Men who are capable of encouraging and directing the actions described below are capable of recreating the hell of Nazi Germany. We must not delude ourselves or underestimate them.


From 1950 to 1962, the C.I.A. ran a massive research project, a veritable Manhattan Project of the mind, spending over $1 billion a year to crack the code of human consciousness, from both mass persuasion and the use of coercion in individual interrogation. And what they discovered -- they tried LSD, they tried mescaline, they tried all kinds of drugs, they tried electroshock, truth serum, sodium pentathol. None of it worked. What worked was very simple behavioral findings, outsourced to our leading universities -- Harvard, Princeton, Yale and McGill -- and the first breakthrough came at McGill. And it's in the book. And here, you can see the -- this is the -- if you want show it, you can. That graphic really shows -- that's the seminal C.I.A. experiment done in Canada and McGill University --
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ALFRED McCOY: Oh, it's very simple. Dr. Donald O. Hebb of McGill University, a brilliant psychologist, had a contract from the Canadian Defense Research Board, which was a partner with the C.I.A. in this research, and he found that he could induce a state of psychosis in an individual within 48 hours. It didn't take electroshock, truth serum, beating or pain. All he did was had student volunteers sit in a cubicle with goggles, gloves and headphones, earmuffs, so that they were cut off from their senses, and within 48 hours, denied sensory stimulation, they would suffer, first hallucinations, then ultimately breakdown.
Now, another thing we see is those photographs is the psychological techniques, but the initial research basically developed techniques for attacking universal human sensory receptors: sight, sound, heat, cold, sense of time. That's why all of the detainees describe being put in dark rooms, being subjected to strobe lights, loud music, okay? That’s sensory deprivation or sensory assault. Okay, that was sort of the phase one of the C.I.A. research. But the paradigm has proved to be quite adaptable.

Now, one of the things that Donald Rumsfeld did, right at the start of the war of terror, in late 2002, he appointed General Geoffrey Miller to be chief at Guantanamo, alright, because the previous commanders at Guantanamo were too soft on the detainees, and General Miller turned Guantanamo into a de facto behavioral research laboratory, a kind of torture research laboratory. And under General Miller at Guantanamo, they perfected the C.I.A. torture paradigm. They added two key techniques. They went beyond the universal sensory receptors of the original research. They added to it an attack on cultural sensitivity, particularly Arab male sensitivity to issues of gender and sexual identity.

And then they went further still. Under General Miller, they created these things called “Biscuit” teams, behavioral science consultation teams, and they actually had qualified military psychologists participating in the ongoing interrogation, and these psychologists would identify individual phobias, like fear of dark or attachment to mother, and by the time we're done, by 2003, under General Miller, Guantanamo had perfected the C.I.A. paradigm, and it had a three-fold total assault on the human psyche: sensory receptors, self-inflicted pain, cultural sensitivity, and individual fears and phobia.

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Now, one of the problems beyond the details of these orders is torture is an extraordinarily dangerous thing. There's an absolute ban on torture for a very good reason. Torture taps into the deepest recesses, unexplored recesses of human consciousness, where creation and destruction coexist, where the infinite human capacity for kindness and infinite human capacity for cruelty coexist, and it has a powerful perverse appeal, and once it starts, both the perpetrators and the powerful who order them, let it spread, and it spreads out of control.


Tonight Lou Dobbs spoke critically of 'moderate Muslim clerics' for their supposed lack of outrage over the "cartoon riots". As Abu Ghraib & Gitmo spread across the world in infinite ripples, who will be outraged?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:56 AM
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1. lostnfound, my
name is Ruth, and I have nothing to add but the thoughts I've gotten from reading books and my perception of WWII. We are lost if we've embraced that mind-think. Again, why isn't everyone outraged?
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:43 AM
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3. "Again, why isn't everyone outraged?"
Because they've spent decades, and billions of dollars, learning to screw with the human mind. Hell, GE has commercials about brain imaging. They're a giant defense contractor, AND own a major media outlet.

Like the guy on Democracy Now said, it's self induced. They're not physically harming you, they make you think that you're doing it to yourself(by standing for a day), and if you simply work with them, you can sit down.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 08:12 PM
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5. Good point.
I've thought about the networks as instruments of propaganda, but not exactly as conduits for sophisticated brainwashing.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:17 AM
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4. "Not everyone can carry the weight of the world.."
is an REM lyric that comes to mind some times when I think about this question.

I guess some of us have a little extra reservoir of strength that makes us have less fear about knowing the truth.

Maybe for some people, knowing the truth is too high of a high price to pay. :shrug: They want stability, predictability, and certainty. They prefer delusion. Why?

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warsager Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:03 AM
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2. I was listening to this on my way
to work today and had to get out of the car right as they started talking about this torture project. Thanks for posting the rest, it was very interesting and heartbreaking.

I'm sorry but I can't seem to think of anything else to say....
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