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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:25 PM
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Iranian Oil Bourse? could lead to...?
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 02:32 PM by jarnocan
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10596
This seems rather brilliant-not on 'our' part of course, but very frightening. It also seems to fit into so much information- most of US already knew. How worried should we be, and what of? I am not sure. I think I am more concerned with the likely reactions of deperation of the ruthless regime -in our country.

"The man that actually did demand Euro for his oil was Saddam Hussein in 2000. At first, his demand was met with ridicule, later with neglect, but as it became clearer that he meant business, political pressure was exerted to change his mind. When other countries, like Iran, wanted payment in other currencies, most notably Euro and Yen, the danger to the dollar was clear and present, and a punitive action was in order....
...Feverish rhetoric about Iranians developing nuclear weapons undoubtedly serves to prepare this course of action.....
Unilateral Nuclear Strike - this is a terrible strategic choice for all the reasons associated with the next strategy, the Unilateral Total War. The Americans will likely use Israel to do their dirty nuclear job. "

http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/01/23/the_iranian_oil_exchange_proposal.htm
(interesting article) http://www.energybulletin.net/12125.html same article without active links one.

"Some actually suggested that the move that provoked Iraq War was the toppled Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's decision to sell the Iraqi oil in Euros in the fall of the year 2000, challenging the dominance of the U.S. dollar. ...
End of the U.S. dollar hegemony?It’s not the threat of the weapons of mass destruction that Washington claims those states posses. And it is not the noble mission of spreading freedom and democracy."

http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=10596
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:44 PM
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1. I've heard that the switching from dollars to Euros
was the reason for the invasion. It shall be interesting, what with Russia willing to sent Iran missles, to see if we try to bomb Iran as it makes the switch. And if the switch is made, how much longer will the dollar be the currency of international trade? When it is replaced, what happens to our ballooning debt?
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:33 PM
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2. the articles are interesting
Our massive debt is definatley going to make matters much worse for US economically. I really fear 'our' response more than the switch to the Euro. I suspect this may be a very popular move for much of our world.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:35 PM
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3. Speech by Rep. Ron Paul fo Texas on the dollar. We've been duped.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm

It’s not likely that maintaining dollar supremacy was the only motivating factor for the war against Iraq, nor for agitating against Iran. Though the real reasons for going to war are complex, we now know the reasons given before the war started, like the presence of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein’s connection to 9/11, were false. The dollar’s importance is obvious, but this does not diminish the influence of the distinct plans laid out years ago by the neo-conservatives to remake the Middle East. Israel’s influence, as well as that of the Christian Zionists, likewise played a role in prosecuting this war. Protecting “our” oil supplies has influenced our Middle East policy for decades.

But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony-- it’s dominance as the world reserve currency-- is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.

For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.

It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar’s value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.

The same thing will happen to us if we don’t change our ways. Though we don’t occupy foreign countries to directly plunder, we nevertheless have spread our troops across 130 nations of the world. Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don’t declare direct ownership of the natural resources-- we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 03:40 PM
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4. This has been the topic of conversation...
on the Stock Watch thread for several months now. Your can get even more links by checking some of those threads.
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 01:43 AM
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5. did you see this article
by Krassimir Petrov, Ph.D.
Austrian Macro Economist/Investment Strategist
Commissioned by: J. Douglas Bowey and Associates
January 20, 2006

Abstract
The American Empire depends on the U.S. dollar. The proposed Iranian Oil Bourse will accelerate the fall of the U.S. dollar and hence the fall of the American Empire.


http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/petrov/2006/0120.html

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