Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Road to Guantanamo

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:33 PM
Original message
The Road to Guantanamo
This was forwarded to me by a friend who is a retired oil exec who spent a lot of time in Saudi Arabia.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

SPIEGEL ONLINE – 17 February, 2006
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,401386,00.html
Berlin International Film Festival

The Road to Guantanamo

By Susan Stone in Berlin

English director Michael Winterbottom's provocative new film "The Road to Guantanamo" premiered at the Berlin International Film Festival this week. The docu-drama blends interviews, news footage and re-enactments to tell the story of three British Muslims taken from Pakistan to the US prison camp on Cuba.

After the British government secured their release following a two-year ordeal at the notorious American Guantanamo prison camp for suspected terrorists, one of the first things Britain's so-called "Tipton Three" did was to file a lawsuit against United States Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The men denied any links to terrorism and claimed they had been tortured at the camp.

In their compensation claim, which is still pending, they alleged they had been "repeatedly struck with rifle butts, punished, kicked and slapped. They were short-shackled in painful stress positions for many hours, causing deep flesh wounds and permanent scarring." They also claim they were "threatened with unmuzzled dogs, forced to strip naked, subjected to repeated forced body-cavity searches and intentionally subjected to extremes of heat and cold for the purpose of causing suffering." They sued Rumsfeld because they believed their torture had been the "result of deliberate and foreseeable action taken by defendant Rumsfeld and senior officers to flout or evade the US constitution, law, treaty obligations and long established norms of customary international law." When they released a 115-page dossier of their treatment at Guantanamo, horrified representatives of the Red Cross claimed that if the allegations were true, they would be tantamount to war crimes.

Ruhel Ahmed, Asif Iqbal and Shafiq Rasul, all British Muslims, traveled in 2001 from central England to Pakistan where, according to their account, Iqbal was to meet and marry a young woman his mother had arranged for him in Islamabad. The other men were to serve as witnesses. But the young men got sidetracked in Karachi, where they answered the call of an imam at a local mosque for volunteers to travel to Afghanistan. What started as a bus trip into the neighboring country on the verge of war with the United States -- which they claim they took "one, for experience, and two, to help" -- would turn into an odyssey of "torture" and "degrading treatment" for the men. After arriving in Afghanistan, the men, who were all between the ages of 19 and 23, fell into the wrong hands and were eventually imprisoned and transported to the US prison for suspected terrorists at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Though never charged with any wrongdoing, the men were detained for two years until the British government, Washington's closest ally in the war on terror, negotiated their release.

During the months after their return to Britain, the Tipton Three's detailed accounts of the systematic abuse they allege they were subjected to at Guantanamo filled the media and captivated the attention of millions of Europeans. British filmmaker Michael Winterbottom was one of them.

No stranger to making movies about controversial issues, Winterbottom won the Berlin International Film Festival's top prize in 2003 for "In this World," which portrayed people fleeing Afghanistan by using real refugees as actors, and combined drama and documentary. His latest film, "The Road to Guantanamo," recounts the experiences of Tipton Three. "Guantanamo" has been tipped by many critics as a frontrunner in the competition in Berlin, one of Europe's top-three film festivals.

SPIEGEL ONLINE briefly caught up with Winterbottom and co-director Mat Whitecross on the sidelines of the festival this week.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: What compelled you to make a film about Guantanamo?

Whitecross: What drew us to this story is their account, which we read in the British newspapers -- it was so absolutely incredible. And all the most far-fetched elements were corroborated. It just seemed like an amazing adventure story that turns into a nightmare journey from hell.

Winterbottom: In a way it's a very classic story -- ordinary people in very extraordinary circumstances, and they tell it in a way that's very engaging and matter of fact, so we tried to do that with the film. We're not making a political film -- it doesn't discuss the politics, it doesn't attack anyone, it simply tells their story. Guantanamo was created in Cuba especially to avoid any sort of law. The reason it's not in America is because it would be illegal to hold them there. So this place has been created as a sort of legal black hole where there is no recourse to the law. It is a nightmare place to be. If you see the story of three people who ended up there, it kind of reminds you that there are still 500 individuals being detained there. They're not weird crazed terrorists -- they're people and they have the same rights as everybody else. The motto on the gates of the prison camp is "Honor Bound to Defend Freedom." But you can't defend freedom by locking people up without justice.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: In the film, you combine interviews, news footage and re-enactments. Do you have any concerns that people will not be able to distinguish between what is real and what is acting?

Winterbottom: We just wanted to tell the story in the best, most functional way possible. And it seemed important that the real guys were in it because we need to remember it's a real story all the time. And also so people could get a sense of who they are. When we first met them, they told their story in an incredibly ordinary way. They talk about the diarrhea and the bad food, just like anyone would take a trip to Pakistan or Afghanistan. They don't have a political view to express, they don't want to put it in a more political context. They just say: "This is what happened to me." You start off with them going to Pakistan for a wedding, they're teenagers, very naïve, and they end up in Guantanamo as if they're the most dangerous terrorists in the world.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: In the film, you show American soldiers abusing prisoners. Are you attempting to demonize the United States with this portrayal?

Whitecross: The fact is, we're only re-creating what the boys told us. And the fact is that most of the guards they met and who were detaining them were extremely brutal. That's the way they were treated. Of course, there were guards that treated them on a normal human level as well.

Winterbottom: This is not an anti-American film, America has lots of good things as well. There are lots of people who are anti-Guantanamo in the United States. Saying you want Guantanamo closed doesn't make you anti-American -- that's crazy.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Will this film be shown in the United States?

Winterbottom: We hope so. The film was financed out of the United Kingdom, and we brought it to the Berlin International Film Festival in the hopes of selling it to as many countries as possible. And we hope to sell it to the US. In the end, the people who are going to close down Guantanamo are the US administration. They're the only people who can. So the more people who see it in America, the more people in America who are against Guantanamo, the sooner the day will come when it closes.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Many might agree that Guantanamo is an unacceptable facility, but how do you think governments like the US should deal with these "enemy combatants" who have a sort of third status?

Winterbottom: What are "enemy combatants"? I think the use of language is really one of the terrible things that has happened over the last few years. I think there's a very conscious strategy of changing the names of things in the hope that it will allow them to do things they couldn't normally do. Instead of calling it a war in Afghanistan, it's a "war on terror". What does that mean? If it had been a war in Afghanistan, they would have been prisoners of war, and when that ended they would have had to have been returned home. What it means is that individual people are being held for four years without any justice.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: "Road to Guantanamo" will be broadcast on British television this spring and also simultaneously released in theaters, on DVD and on the Internet. Why are you breaking with tradition to show your film in so many mediums at the same time?

Winterbottom: For this sort of film about something that is happening now, we want people to see it now, so obviously the biggest audience is TV. We don't really want to have to wait a year before it's released on TV because it's been in the cinema where the audience is smaller. And the idea is that maybe DVD and Internet, these things can all support each other rather than compete with each other for an audience. We just want as many people to see this story as soon as possible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Voice1 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:41 PM
Response to Original message
1. 3 stars of the film arrested
I don't know whether it's been posted on DU yet, but Britain's former ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray (who lost his job by whistleblowing on human rights abuses, and US and British complicity), has said that 3 stars of the film were arrested under so called "anti terror" laws, the British blogosphere has been in uproar all day about it today, quite rightly.

From Craig Murray's blog:

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/02/internet_exclus.html

Citing the "Prevention of Terrorism" act, British Police have arrested and interrogated three of the stars of the award-winning film "The Road to Guantanamo", together with the three ex-Guantanomo detainees on whose story the film is based.

UPDATE - Craig Murray says:

"On both www.craigmurray.co.uk and Blairwatch people have been questioning my source for this, and particularly querying why it is not in the mainstream media if it is true.

Well, I was in Winterbottom’s office yesterday, and heard it first hand, from people who were there when it happened. Nowadays the real news isn’t in the mainstream media, I am afraid. Leave them to their celebrity stories, and if you want to know what’s important, come to the web."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Wow - thanks for this. I sent the link to the friend
that sent me the original email.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voice1 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. No problem
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Welcome to DU. Are you in the UK? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voice1 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:16 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. I am West Houston Dem
Thanks for the welcome. I try to do as much as I possibly can personally to assist those across their pond in their quest for truth, as we obviously have shared goals ie. getting rid of the Bush regime and Blair & Co. (The axis of liars and war criminals)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Glad to meet you Voice!
We all have to work together. This side of the pond needs all of the help we can get!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voice1 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:04 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Believe me
Britain isn't that far behind, however much some right wing rags want to try and claim moral superiority over here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:09 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Hi there. What is the best link to the arrest story to distribute
in your opnion?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voice1 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Well, Craig Murray was a former ambassador
I'd say that considering his whistleblowing on complicity with Uzbekistan's appalling human rights record gives his piece a lot of weight. Being a former ambassador I guess brings with it credibility. Hope that helps. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. Thank you, Voice1!
:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voice1 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. you're welcome. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. Thank you for the information
and welcome to DU! :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Voice1 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. thanks nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr 17th 2024, 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC