latest from Halliburton prison camps...pick a date..3/11 is taken

[DemInDistress]

http://www.blackcommentator.com/171/171_freedom_rider_halliburton_detention_centers.html

What ought to shock and terrify every American is that KBR, a Halliburton subsidiary, was awarded a $385 million contract to build "temporary detention facilities" in case of an "immigration emergency":

"The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts."
Anyone paying a little bit of attention will ask, "What immigration emergency?" If there is an immigration emergency looming on the horizon it is a big secret. Of course immigrants will be the first ensnared in the net that big brother Bush has in mind, but the net won't stop with them.

What sort of national emergency requires detention centers? America has plenty of prisons. More of our population is behind bars than in any country on earth. There are detention centers for immigration in existence already. As for helping in case of a natural disaster, hurricane Katrina proved that saving American lives is not on the Bush agenda.

[electron_blue]

1. immigration emergency?

wth?

Oh, I get it. They claim someone is an illegal immigrant and they tuck them away to deal with them, since presumably they must be "terrorists". Then they go one step further and put away anyone who doesn't have their national id card on them (this is down the road, after they are issued of course), since obviously they have no card bcs they are illegal immigrants and thus terrorists. And then of course, you put anyway in the detention camps you don't like and claim they had no id cards on them because....

[lostnfound]

2. Or they start wholesale stripping people of their citizenship?

Or they pass a special bill allowing the ICE detention centers to be used for "temporary housing" of rabblerousers

[mom cat]

19. Exactly. The imigration excuse is a ruse.Hang on. The Empire is moving

into an even more repressive phase and much of the party that is supposed to represent the "people" has sold out.

[FatDave]

4. I've wondered about the definition of "immigration emergency"

Far as I can tell, they're claiming they need a place to hold people should there be a huge influx of refugee immigrants.

Now my memory can be faulty as hell sometimes, but wasn't there a time back in the 90's where a large number of Cuban (or maybe Haitian?) refugees came into Miami? They were held at Guantanamo, I think.

Well, now that Guantanamo's full of "terrorists" we need new facilities for the refugees? I don't doubt that there's darker purposes in mind for these new detention centers, but is this maybe the official rationale?

[converted_democrat]

26. It was only a couple hundred people..

We already have existing facilities to deal with numbers like that.. This does not smell right to me.. We just passed legislation to build a huge fence across the Mexican border, so that isn't even going to be an issue for much longer.. Canada has it better than we do at this point so I don't see them rushing the border.. I just don't see where this "emergency influx" could be coming from.. If you take a look at the press release it also says something along the lines of -the rapid development and implementation of new programs... I think that's what it's all about, the "new programs." Now we just have to figure out what those "new programs" are, and if dissenters and protesters will be involved...

Link is to a CNN page that claims the number in that boat was only 200 people..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0210/29/bn.02.html

[SmokingJacket]

54. Plus it's not just for immigration emergencies...

they even mentioned "or other new programs" in the press release...

[Canuckistanian]

3. Maybe they're going to be in Canada and Mexico...

At the rate they're going, they'll drive every thinking American out of the country in droves.

[FatDave]

5. I was thinking the same thing.

They should probably be more worried about people leaving than coming in.

[casual hex]

6. Conspiracy theory transforms...

to conspiracy reality, right before our eyes. The fact is, the Bush Blood Lust Cult could award a contract to Halliburton to build massive detention centers for holding opposing political voices, and they could give out a press release saying "The purpose of these centers is to hold persons who we consider to be undermining the war on terror and putting our troops at risk--they will be released when the war is over" ... and STILL it would cause a minor blip for a day or two on the news landscape, but mostly the masses wouldn't know or care.

Does anyone honestly believe these centers have anything to do with immigration?

It should be painfully obvious to those who have been paying attention that that this cults' evil knows no bounds. Once the next big terrah attack happens, or a convenient earthquake in California, we will see the true purpose of those "facilities".

[DemInDistress]

7. funny you mention earthquake in calif..there were 3 major

scenarios the country was concerned about..
1. a terrorist attack on a major city (911)
2. a great hurricane destroying New Orleans (Katrina) and
3. a massive earthquake in California
So far..2 out of three. Can a bomb be set off within the San Andreas fault?
Those concentration camps are for us DU-ers,Daily Kos,Huffington, Air America listeners and many more anti dimwit Americans.. I see you can't be fooled either..
WELCOME TO DU CASUAL HEX ..

[casual hex]

9. I FORGOT ABOUT THAT!

You know, I totally forgot about that 3 major scenarios thing. I remember reading about it just after Katrina, but I completely forgot about it until you mentioned it again. Yes, that is kinda spooky, 2 out of 3 so far.

People laugh when you talk about timed and directed earthquakes, but then they would also laugh about weather modification. Would they laugh as much if they knew there was a weather modification bill working it's way through Congress, introduced by Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas? It is "To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes." Other purposes?

What thinking people should realize is, all those billions of dollars that have gone into military research for decades, what was it all for? Yes, they can control earthquakes.

You mark these words: There will be a large earthquake in California this year.

It will be timed to most beneficial to the booben-grabber governor, and to boosh. It has been exactly 100 years since the big 1906 quake in San Francisco. Wouldn't it just be amazing if there were another big one, on the 100th anniversary?

[DemInDistress]

10. another good point ,timed for the 100th anniversary...wow

forgot about that. Also I didn't know about that weather mod bill. Earthquakes,weather,billions for the military, damn America is in for a rude awakening. Wasn't there a James Bond movie where the bad guys wanted to blow the San Andreas fault? Certainly not an impossibility with this current crime family in power.
Glad to meet up with you my friend BTW I am in NYC home of Ground Zero the birthplace of PNAC. the bastard child of the bush crime family.

[BeHereNow]

12. Go you one further-

Notice NONE of the Dubai "Management" port sales are on the
west coast?
Wouldn't want THAT company in charge in the
case of a terra attack in California now, would they?
Then they couldn't point out that all the noise
over the sale was silly, as in
"See? The port that WAS attacked wasn't controlled by that company
we ignored your protest over."

Justy thinkin' out loud in cyber space...
BHN

[lonestarnot]

16. ewwwwwwwwwww I love your lil dudes and dudettes!

[countryjake]

8. Here's a previous DU topic on this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=450547&mesg_id=450547

These camps go hand in hand with the Patriot Act...write to your congresspeople and question them on how "intimidating the government" might be defined. One woman is already facing sedition charges for a letter to the editor she had written!


Concentration Camps in Okanagon County? KXLY News in Washington state

Okanogan County Commissioner Dave Schulz says he's convinced his county is a designated home for a "concentration camp" in case of civil unrest.
Schulz says he has copies of documents, although he hasn't been able to confirm the rumor.

Federal officials say they have no idea where the commissioner got the notion of civilian detention camps.

A Federal Emergency Management Agency spokeswoman says it sounds like an urban legend and a Pentagon spokesman says he's not aware of any planned camps in Okanogan County or elsewhere.

Rumors of planned U.S. detention facilities appear on dozens of Web sites.

Schulz says he thinks the plan has been written in the event of a national emergency where martial law is necessary, and hopes it never becomes necessary.


(2/25/2003 3:52:00 PM)
©2000-2004 KXLY Broadcasting Group. All Rights Reserved.



Here is another other article from The Village Voice:

General Ashcroft's Detention Camps by Nat Hentoff September 4, 2002
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,38006,6.html

~snip~

"The nature of the conduct engaged in by a (terrorist) enterprise will justify an inference that the standard is satisfied, even if there are no known statements by participants that advocate or indicate planning for violence or other prohibited acts." (Emphasis added.) That conduct can be simply "intimidating" the government, according to the USA Patriot Act.

[OneBlueSky]

11. "Now is the time for all good people . . .

to come to the aid of their country and become unapologetically paranoid. Paranoia should now be the normal state of mind for thinking people. Sneers and dismissive remarks about "conspiracy theorists" must be ignored. We don't want to end up like the proverbial frog who boils to death because the heat was turned up slowly."

very, very true . . . recommended . . .

[DemInDistress]

47. Thanks for the "rec" seriously one blue..this is scary shit

no way in hell will this adm. allow another election.there is way to much to lose like the balance of power. The bush crime family literally have gotten away with MURDER and theft from our Treasury. This
400 million for KBR is just a retainer. Greater sums must already be planned. Its happening !!! Also,
on March 26 2006 the Iranian Oil Bourse is expected to open, and some predict financial calamity for the US Dollar. So where do we stand ??

here>

[garybeck]

13. they already exist

google REX 84

or just check this out
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

[Paradise]

17. heavy stuff... n/t

[Crayson]

33. Wikipedia Rex-84

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

[DemInDistress]

46. Yes I read about Rex 84 a year ago even before I found DU

not only that I read about "US.Army Plans for Civilian Inmate Labor Programs" scary shit. It suggested it was for federal prison overflows..h'm
A friend recently said,"I see it coming" their thinking of leaving the country..wow

for us..

[marano35]

14. yeah

[Paradise]

15. talk about scary... n/t

[elehhhhna]

18. Does "immigration emergency" mean we try to LEAVE the country?

[dogday]

20. Everyone being held under the Patriot Act

can be held indefinitely without Habeas Corpus, no rights, no attorney, no charges, just incarceration for the rest of your natural born days or my favorite word these days repatriation. A process where the patriot is "forced" into the person.....

[Hubert Flottz]

22. They will only let the ones who are fit to work, live!

And those who are fit to work, will live on turnip soup until they become too weak to work and then they will be zapped also.

The sick, lame and lazy(other than the rich lazy)blind crippled and crazy will be selected for the line to the left...that is all!

[dogday]

23. Damn, will we have a number tatoo or an implant?

sounds bad

[Hubert Flottz]

30. Whatever is the cheapest!

And the most rapid and efficient!

[rpgamerd00d]

21. Do you realize that $385 million isnt nearly enough to build ...

... enough of these to imprison "all liberals" or "all Democrats" ?
We simply wouldn't fit.

Remember, according to the 2004 falsified election results, Kerry won nearly half the country.
There is no way $385 million is enough to build detention centers for 150,000,000 people.

[dogday]

24. There are vacant camps all over this country

Empty barracks, with the bobwire turned inward, to keep people in the camp, not to keep things out of it... Have seen these places, one near where I live....

[rpgamerd00d]

25. OK, so half the country stops going to work... economy collapses.

Come on, think it through.

[dogday]

27. There are many on unemployment, social security

welfare and homeless. Let's just start with those numbers shall we? Then let's talk about those who have none of that income and are struggling to keep their head above water and add to it those who scream of impeachment, and add in some illegal aliens for show, and we have ourselves a good old-fashion detainment ho-down.....

[rpgamerd00d]

29. Again, my point is you cannot fit 50% of Americans into $385 million worth

... of camps, and even if you could, the US would collapse if 50% of Americans were imprisoned.

You'd need millions just to man and run the camps! The US would shut down.

Its totally ridiculous.

Now, as far as targetted groups of people? Sure. But once enough people complain about it, they will be unable to keep them open.

[dogday]

31. Who put the 50% figure out there? I did not

Are you thinking 50% of the people, don't think that, as soon as a few people are taken and put away, that figure will drop quickly as it did in Germany. They just sat and watched while a few were taken, then a little more and more, the rest fell in line and kept their mouths shut....

Are we still outsourcing and insourcing? Cause I can see where they would get others to pick up of the job force, I see it now.....

[anarch]

35. don't worry...attrition, combined with conscription to fight the oil wars

will keep the camp populations manageable. It's all under control.

[BR_Parkway]

42. Sure they will, and your neighbor will be glad to see you go - first

they claim you're infected with something like Bird Flu - you need to be quarantined. And your family also, they can't leave sons and daughters to grow up looking to avenge their parents.

They don't have to silence 50% of the population. They have to silence 1-2%, the loud activists. Then the chill settles in so that others are afraid to speak out. If they did speak out, the same people who are convinced that Saddam piloted one of the planes on 9/11 and parachuted out would jump all over them with calls of Blame America First crowd, Anti-American, Traitor. Shortly thereafter, they get picked up by 'public health' officials - seems their test results show them to be carriers too. They have to be locked away to protect the health of all good Americans.The same crowd who thinks its just fine for W to listen to their phone calls, they have nothing to hide.

Pat Robertson and the rest of the Pharisees speak out as to how this new disease is actually one of the seven seals in Revelations - and the fundies would be all in lockstep - their heavenly reward is just days away and nothing will stand between them.

I no longer wonder how the regular citizens of Germany could have stood by and allowed things to happen as they did in Hitler's rise to power. I'm seeing history repeat itself every day.

[jberryhill]

37. And the point of locking up...

homeless and social security recipients is... what?

You are suggesting that some political event is going to cause the homeless to suddenly become up in arms and present a threat to the administration?

Like they're happy now?

What, precisely, is the purpose to be obtained by this mass lock-up?

[Jackpine Radical]

38. I don't think it's the homeless who have to worry.

They'll be after the dissidents. You won't have to lock away everybody. 1 in 100 adults will do. That would be say 2 million people, about equivalent to what we have in prison right now. I live in a small town of 60,000. If the 600 most politically active of us disappeared--hell, if the 60 most active disappeared--it would not only decapitate the peaceniks, dissidents & Democratic leadership, it would chill the living shit out of everyone else in the community.

[jberryhill]

44. Chill?

Locking up 2 million people in some sort of sweep would "chill" the community?

One might expect it to have exactly the opposite effect.

It doesn't work in Iraq. It wouldn't work here either, and our civilian population is more heavily armed.

"Dissidents" is not some fringe group in the US. A majority of people in this country disapprove of the job Bush is doing. You think mass lockups would make him any *more* popular?

[dogday]

40. Getting the homeless off the streets

We have enacted so many laws in my city against those annoying homeless, especially the ones who have the nerve to ask for money.

What, precisely, is the purpose to be obtained by this mass lock-up you asked?


Control is would number one reason.

To get rid of protesters who disagree with the administration. Laws are already in effect about protesting and dissenters.

Don't think it can happen? Why do we need so many detention centers now? Who are we going to put in all of them. Illegal Aliens? We are not holding illegal aliens, we are shipping them out asap these days, so who are they for?

[jberryhill]

43. When we pulled out of Vietnam...

...we had an immediate influx of 135,000 Vietnamese refugees. We have closed a lot of the bases where those refugees went.

Same thing will happen if we (a) pull out of Iraq or (b) invade Iran.

[Hubert Flottz]

28. The kind of prisons they are talking about are cheap...

They don't expect the inmates to be there long! The turnover will be rapid and above all, the liquidation of the non productive, will be cheap and efficient. They can kill now with an industrial strength toaster oven like device. The POW camp/death camp/labor camp/reeducation camp/resettlement camp/ gulag/detention center, technology has advanced by leaps and bounds, since The Confederate States Of America, Germany, Russia, Japan, China, North Korea, Iraq, last took advantage of it, to "correct" and "reeducate" "uncooperative" people.(victims)

It doesn't cost much to create more prisoner pens like the ones in Iraq, just some barbed wire with 440 volts on it and a few freepers to shoot the ones that try and get away.

[flyarm]

34. MOST ARE ALREADY READY..THIS HAS BEEN IN WORKS FOR

5 years already!
as of a year ago they could imprison 8 million!

fly

[Jackpine Radical]

39. Do you have a source for this information?

[flyarm]

41. i do but i have to run will try to pm them to you later when i get back

have appt...so have to run..i have a bunch in my files...

well i just pulled this up quick from my files..i don't have time to go through all my files or to check this out..but i had this as is in my files..i have alot more..but no time now..

FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration...

American Concentration Camps
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

U.S. Concentration Camps: FEMA and the REX 84 Program
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

FEMA Detention Camps: Re-Inventing the Mousetrap
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavello_031603_cam...

What Next? . . . Concentration Camps?
http://www.counterpunch.org/shivani0813.html

fly

[Jackpine Radical]

55. Thanks.

[DemInDistress]

48. sure 400 million doesn't seem like enough maybe its just a

retainer. Remember they have dibs for another 5 yrs. so who knows what's in next years budget. I see it happening. The next major attack be it nukes, chems, bio or financial that dreaded "Martial Law" will be imposed. Executive Orders are already in place. FEMA as inept as it currently is will assume command. So,will soon be here>

Thanks for the feedback..

[gilpo]

32. And Halliburton Brags about it!

http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/news.jsp?newsurl=/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/kbrnws_012406.html

I don't know how an employee of KBR could look themselves in the mirror.

[DemInDistress]

49. HALLIBURTON....

AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY CORRUPTOR..FOUNDED IN 1919 HAS GROWN UP TO BE A MASSIVE ORG. OF MURDER THEFT AND
CORRUPTION..

Thanks for the feedback and the link !!

see you here>

[jberryhill]

36. Immigration Emergency

Sounds like a pull-out from Iraq or an invasion of Iran. Either way, there would be a large influx, just like there was from Vietnam. We took in a lot of Iranians in the last Iranian revolution, and a lot of Vietnamese and Hmong in the 1970's.

The first wave after Vietnam was 135,000
http://www.searac.org/vietref.html

As Saigon fell to the communists, some 135,000 Vietnamese fled to America. These were mainly ex-military and government officials, Vietnamese who had worked for the U.S. during the war and their families. Initially, they came to four U.S. military bases in California, Arkansas, Pennsylvania, and Florida.


This notion of mass lock-ups of Americans doesn't seem very practical. After the perceived injustice of failing to convict the police responsible for the Rodney King beating, the fires from the riots in South LA were picked up as a weather disturbance by meteological satellites. One would have to assume the entire military chain of command - right down to the kids who are going to have to point guns at their neighbors - was out to lunch in order to carry something like that out. Not to mention the right-wing militias and the substantial armed population of this country...

[gordianot]

45. That is my take on it. Mass lock ups will not work in this country.

Republicans would lose any base they have by locking up Americans. The idea of foreign troops carrying this out is not workable The only thing I can conceive of is a mass exodus and what they say it might be correct an immigration crisis. One other possibility the weather emergencies this summer are going to return and they know it.

Can you imagine another Katrina in the Gulf?

[DemInDistress]

50. locking up Americans doesn't seem practical,,h'm

spying on Americans also doesn't seem practical but its happening and fortunately in Dec 05 someone spilled the beans..I DON'T LIKE IT MY FRIEND..It stinks and should be a warning of greater distress coming to America..but

thanks for the input..

[PleadTheFirst]

51. K&R

[earth mom]

52. I agree that Activists may be the target of the camps but also

the camps could be for anyone fleeing the U.S. like Draft Dodgers or anyone who just can't take it anymore....

Aka an "Immigration Emergency." :scared:

[DemInDistress]

53. Maybe "Emigration Emergencies" stopping Americans from

fleeing ,....Na, I still think its for "us" in particular DU....

if these guys show up this is where you'll go