New invasive camera ordinance proposed in Chicago..

[lildreamer316]

...this was posted on my other board because it affects many nightclubs; especially strip clubs directly. How absolutely unconstitutional.

CHICAGO — Surveillance cameras — aimed at government buildings, train platforms and intersections here — might soon be required at corner taverns and swanky nightclubs.

Mayor Richard Daley wants to require bars open until 4 a.m. to install security cameras that can identify people entering and leaving the building. Other businesses open longer than 12 hours a day, including convenience stores, eventually would have to do the same.

Daley's proposed city ordinance adds a dimension to security measures installed after the Sept. 11 attacks.

More-http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-02-14-chicago-cameras_x.htm

WTF???Like I should be suprised........

[Trillo]

1. Not advocating for it, but,

if cameras are the coming wave, surveillance on everything, and IF IT CAN'T BE STOPPED, then the output should be open source, available to anyone and everyone. Public.

Have a car accident? Just rewind the tape of a particular camera till the particular time is found.

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. I think we need cameras to watch THEM !

It should cut both ways. I don't have a problem being filmed in public if all politicians are filmed 24/7 doing their jobs.

To the extent that the politicians are filmed, we can be filmed. I want a camera in every politician's office with a sound feed on the Internet. A camera or more in the hallways, entrances, parking lots and all public and private stairwells. All on the net for us to look at, and recorded 24 hours a day with the files kept for at least one year.

If we push for that, I suspect most politicians would suddenly be against cameras.

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[BR_Parkway]

4. Totally agree - after the anthrax attacks, we know our pols are targets

so we're really insisting on this for their own safety!

Think of the politicians first!

Sarcasm aside, I think it's the perfect frame for the debate.

[sandnsea]

5. I. Don't. Care.

I'd rather have my privacy and freedom.

[MercutioATC]

2. I am SO moving to Costa Rica when I retire.

We get the government we deserve.

[KharmaTrain]

6. These Cameras Have Helped

I've traveled in the areas where these cameras have been placed...neighborhoods where people...mostly women and children...were assaulted in broad daylight. It took the drug dealers from the street corners and enables people to travel to and from jobs since there are few in the neighborhoods.

Every day you probably pass by dozens of cameras...from the banks to gas stations to office buildings and so on. In these areas these cameras have a positive benefit.

[lildreamer316]

7. Nightclubs.

I am a semi-retired "exotic entertainer". If I work in a club and my customer does not want it to be public knowledge that he visited me last night and spent a few hundred dollars; then he will not come see me when the cameras are installed. Adult entertainment of this type is a multi-million dollar biz. This is invasion of privacy and a violation of the Constitution. I was not aware these nightclubs were such a horrible den of iniquity (drug dealing violence and terrorist plots) that they needed to be surveilled.

[KharmaTrain]

8. Safety Vs. Privacy

I fully understand your concern and agree that that kind of survellience is wrong as nothing illegal is happening and it's being used as a form of intimidation. What I'm refering to are areas where public safety is involved. I worked in areas where the drug dealings were in plain sight, the shootings were all to common and the local police and fire were pushed to the limits. I know of people who are terrified of going out of their homes at night and this limits their ability to get jobs or get training or an education that can better their lives due to dangerous street corners (most with clubs nearby that make them even more dangerous).

It's not what's going on inside the clubs that is the problem...it's when it spreads outside.

Peace...

[REP]

9. Pointless

Other than lildreamer's point about shutting down certain types of legal establishments because customers don't want to be filmed entering, these cameras really don't do much good. The UK has had street cameras for years, and last I heard, they still have violent street crime there. It doesn't work; it's a waste of money - if crime prevention is the real goal. Shutting down a few strip clubs won't have any effect on street prostitution, either; a well-run legit club wouldn't be allowing that to occur nearby and a front is keeping it off the streets!