God Founded This Country!

[Montagnard]

That is a quote from a Cspan caller. This not an unusual believe, a large percentage of Americans truly and fully believe that Americans are the “chosen people” and that is why the country has prospered. This is a strange believe among industrialized countries and has provided the foundation for much mischief by this country. If we are the chosen ones, then what we do is on the side of the angels. That is a dangerous thought.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. Of course he did

I've seen pictures of him. Old guy with white hair.

[acmejack]

24. Is he the guy inside of the pyramid?

The one with the big eyeball?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

44. Yeah, I thnk that's him

that eyeball is all-seeing.

[greekspeak]

2. Manifest destiny...the WASP way of doing things

Want something? Just tell the world that God decided you could have it cause you are the whitest and most Christian people around. That is enough to trump anything, including the fact that natives were on this continent thousands of years before. But thankfully people like the caller to C-Span know the way God really wants things. Is it really 2006? :eyes:

[TallahasseeGrannie]

45. Not just WASPs

don't forget the Catholics!

[SpiralHawk]

3. I suppose the caller really meant to say Gitchee Manitou

created Turtle Island, and then a "legal" entity calling itself the United States of America set itself up for business on Turtle Island for a couple of centuries.

And then...and then...and then...The 5th World began to emerge in Fantastical Beauty and Justice from the great, foul, stinking, billowing gushes of polluted air, water, soil, politics, and incorporated "religions."

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Which God? Allah? Jehovah? The Great Spirit? The Trinity?

[BlueEyedSon]

11. Zeus? Brahma? Buddha? Aten? etc etc

[Dr.Phool]

17. I think it was the Invisible Spaghetti Monster.

[Bill McBlueState]

50. Heretic!

Everybody knows it was the *Flying* Spaghetti Monster who impregnated Mother England and caused the United States of America to leap fully grown from her forehead. Who is this Invisible Spaghetti Monster of whom you speak?

[anniebelle]

5. Freedom OF Religion

The born 'agins' never mention the fact that our forefathers ran over here to avoid religious persecution -- not by Muslims or religious "fanatics" -- but by Christians. Can we have some history lessons for this country, pleeeeeze.:banghead:

[LisaLynne]

6. They do tend to ignore that, don't they?

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[no_hypocrisy]

12. If freedom FROM religion isn't protected, then freedom OF religion

will be equally vulnerable. It will begin with paganism, native american beliefs, nonorthodox christian sects, etc. The attack by the religions with the greatest numbers on "others" will encompass mainstream christianity, judaism, and islam if the majority is not kept in check.

[leeroysphitz]

41. Hmm... Sect wars. Sounds charming, can't wait...

:sarcasm:

[zippy890]

59. They sure did come here to avoid religious persecution

Good point!!!

and welcome to DU:toast:

[Democrat 4 Ever]

7. I heard that. C-Span is drawing out the wackos this morning.

The next guest up was a professor of mine at U of L for a class of Presidential Powers. He espoused the entire semester he lectured that the position of president was nothing more than symbolic. No real powers, just a figurehead for the government. ( just happened to take this class the fall of 2001 - and my 10 am class on September 11 was this "moran." He actually said he didn't think any of this was a big deal, move along. (He pointed out to the class later all of the symbolisms Chucklenuts' handlers used to reassure the public in the ensuring days after 9/11.

This guy is a neocon fascists that heads the McConnell School that had fought through a series of courts (and always losing) to keep their benefactors' names secret. Gregg is a hateful, nasty, mean, Kool-Aid drinking leader of a school that is a training ground for a bunch of Karl Rove wannabes. Senator McConnell is using the school for his own little factory for dirty tricks.

If anyone gets through to ask this asswipe a question I would love to hear someone ask him why he believes this country should change our method of government to a Parliamentary one. He just loves the British style of government.

That he is conducting a survey on "presidential mistakes" is laughable. He is so biased his dick swings to the right to pee.

[Solly Mack]

8. lol God.Founding Fathers. God. Founding Fathers.

Oh, the agony of choices in a patriarchal paradigm.

lolololololol

[tanyev]

9. God made Castro the leader of Cuba!

God put Chavez in power!
God allowed Saddam Hussein to rule Iraq for many years!
God allowed those evil commies to take over Russia!

So many people just think about the good things God does.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

10. But they always say it like this --

GAWWWWD FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY!

Really angry, like anyone that would dare disagree with them ought to be immediately strung up.

[Deja Q]

13. Right now, I think India and China are being chosen more readily...

Didn't know fascist Communist countries and those who openly mock the US would get such favor.

I know! Let's all become communist fascists ourselves. Maybe we'll fall back into favor? :shrug:

[rodeodance]

14. "American exceptionalism" part of our heritage since the beginning.

[bryant69]

15. A dangerous thought?

That's an interesting phrase. What other thoughts should people be discouraged from thinking?

I would say it is a double edged sword - on the one hand having a vission of what your nation should be can inspire you to make your nation better; it can also lead you to reject or minimize legitimate criticism.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Montagnard]

21. I do not advocate controlling thought

or speech. That would include the freedom to say that those who think God blesses them has been proven to be a dangerous thought or proposition to hold.

[bryant69]

29. OK

I suppose it depends on the definition of the term "dangerous thought." I mean looked at a certain way "I'm going to have a BLT with extra fries" is a dangerous thought (assuming that such food is bad for you).

But the phrasing leads me to believe that such thoughts aren't dangerous just to person who thinks them; but dangerous to those forced to share the society with such a person.

At any rate, if you are going to allow people to point out a dangerous thought, than you must allow others to point out the fascistic implications in the phrase "dangerous thought."

Bryant

[Montagnard]

31. Competition of Ideas

And hope the weight your argument wins.

[bryant69]

36. That's a pretty canned answer

But ok. May the best argument win.

[Montagnard]

40. That was the only can in the cupboard

at that moment.

[WePurrsevere]

16. Pure nonsense & not historically or realistically correct.. There have

been many non-Judeo-Christian and Pagan Empires/dynasty's/country's/nations that prospered for centuries before falling or still are prospering. The United States is still in diapers compared to the Roman Empire which lasted at least 1000 yrs (I found one source that said 2228 years), the Pharaonic Empire of ancient Egypt which was about 2000 yrs (and Eygpt still thrives sans Pharoahs), China, etc.

People who spout nonsense like this are ignorant, sheep or flat out liars.

[txindy]

18. We're "the Chosen Ones?" Wow. Who knew we were in the bible?!

Or...wait. Do they mean we're Jedi destined to bring balance to the Force?
If so, my kids will be very happy!

Hot d@mn, The Chosen Ones. And God only saw fit to found this country 230 years ago.
What took so long? :eyes:

[acmejack]

27. Actually I AM the chosen ONE, ME no one else just ME!

Sorry, losers, but the the big guy appeared in a vision and told me so. Of course it was after I had eaten that pizza with extra anchovies, so I might be mistaken, but the CHOSEN ONE cannot be mistaken so...

[Montagnard]

33. It was a misdial that you received

It’s me, it’s me

[txindy]

38. Double rats!

:rofl:

[txindy]

37. Well, rats.

:rofl:

[depakid]

19. That show's downright unwatchable anymore

They've let the lunatics take over the asylum. Too bad- because I used to enjoy it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

20. No, she didn't. She was busy with a couple arguing super novae.

When their tempers' explode, watch out!

[rpgamerd00d]

22. Nope, God didn't do squat.

To all of those who believe that our founding fathers founded this country on religion, most notably Christianity... please re-think your position. These are the same founding fathers who are viewed as great men, who are quoted unequivocally and whose ideas and laws are considered the best-laid of any in history. You could not be MORE wrong about this country being founded on judeo-christian ideals.

The Constitution of the United States:
* Article VI, Section 3: "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
* First Amendment: "“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

James Madison:
- "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
- "What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy."
- "Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

John Adams:
- "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, ‘this would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.’" (From a letter to Charles Cushing (October 19, 1756))
- "The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
- "The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. … It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses. …Thirteen governments thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery… are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind" (A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787–88)

Thomas Paine
- "Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind."
- "I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."

Thomas Jefferson:
- "The Christian god can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."
- "The authors of the gospels were unlettered and ignorant men and the teachings of Jesus have come to us mutilated, misstated and unintelligible"
- "The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."
- "It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it (the Apocalypse), and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825)
- "In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814)
- "The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter... But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." (Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823)
- "I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789)
- "They believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion." (Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800)
- "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes." (Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813)
- "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."
- "Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."
- "...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, ‘Jesus Christ...the holy author of our religion,’ which was rejected ‘By a great majority in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and the Infidel of every denomination.’" (From Jefferson’s biography)
- "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814)

George Washington:
- "The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy."

Abraham Lincoln:
- "The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."


Lastly, Article 11 of The Treaty of Tripoli, ratified and unanimously approved by the Senate in 1797, and signed by John Adams:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion..."

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1796t.htm

These men founded our country and these are their opinions... stop throwing that "America was founded on Christian beliefs" crap at us... it's just NOT TRUE.

Great links:

http://www.deism.org/foundingfathers.htm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html
http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume2/ushistor.htm
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/dispatch/fathers_quote2.htm

[michael_1166]

23. I don't want to sound pessimistic, but

as long as the sane people in your country don't find a way to reboot the brains of your "God Founded This Country!!!" people, any future reincarnation of the U.S. will probably f*ck up too after a while. A country based on haughtiness is a country without a stable foundation.

Step one of for reeducating your "chosen people": They should be required to wallpaper their homes with posters from the Hubble space telescope. Just for getting some perspective about the relative unimportance of the USA in a universal sense. God, if he/she/it exists, has probably better things to do than listening to morons inhabitating a tiny part of a cosmic sand grain.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

46. I'm not quite as pessimistic

as you are. The whole "God founded this country" meme is pretty old. I do believe I was taught that in school, even if only indirectly. What we have now is just a burp from the past, belched up from provincialism and ignorance.

We shall prevail.

Now, keep in mind I just finished my coffee and I have the day off so I'm pretty up right now.

[dogday]

25. Each country thinks it citizens are chosen and yet

they all are dying the same.....

[Montagnard]

26. Not really

We are unique in the thinking of having God on our side, at least among the industrialized countries.

[dogday]

28. There are others, but who cares

industrialized or not, this is a premise believed by many.

[YOY]

30. Money says that caller has never been to another country

I'd bet on it.

[formerrepuke]

51. If Epcot 's World Showcase at DisneyWorld (22 countries).. or any of

several casinos in Las Vegas (Luxor, Parisian, Venetian, etc) are considered, then YES.. that twit HAS traveled abroad (at least by his own definition).

[NYC Liberal]

32. Founding Fathers specifically stated this was NOT so:

Treaty with Tripoli, ratified in 1796 and signed by George Washington:

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen ; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

James Madison in "Essay on Monopolies." He was arguing against even appointing the chaplains in the House, saying THAT was establishment!

Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress
consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of
religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both points must be in
the negative. The Constitution of the U. S. forbids everything like an
establishment of a national religion. The law appointing Chaplains
establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to
be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them,
and these are to be paid out of the national taxes. Does this not
involve the principle of a national establishment, applicable to a
provision for a religious worship for the Constituent as well as of
the representative Body, approved by the majority, and conducted by
Ministers of religion paid by the entire nation?

Jefferson:

...religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

[laruemtt]

34. this country was "founded" on genocide -

the europeans came, they saw, they coveted, they slew. same thing as what is going on today. nothing's changed. our karma just keeps accumulating, getting worse by the day.

[Cats Against Frist]

35. Those people are fucked up

No two ways about it. Problem is, liberals never know how to argue against them. Most of the time, the Christian drags them into the pull-quote game -- you know, the one where each side mines the founders' writings and early documentation for pro-God or anti-God quotes. Anyone can find what they want, from that. If they don't get into the pull-quote game, then they emphatically claim that the idea of God had "nothing to do with the foundations of this nation," which, technically is not true.

The idea of democracy was born of the Enlightenment. This philosophy was revolutionary, as it bitch slapped divine authority and the divine right of Kings. Protestantism, which plagues us, today, was a baby step toward the Enlightenment, like it or not. People forget, too, that the Constitution was a compromise between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists. It's not like there was one prevailing theory from which we can draw a "strict constitutional" philosophy. From the get-go, the thing was merely a compromise between those who believed in nobility, Christianity and order, and those who believed in Enlightenment (which, technically, is also a male-constructed, white philosophy), equality, and had a looser interpretation of God, and order and were more skeptical of authority.

To this day, the left and right are the sons and daughters of the Anti-Federalists, and the Federalists. The lineage isn't pure, but it's there. And the Thomas Jefferson, French-loving, Bill-of-Rights creating contingent still believed, as did the Enlightenment philosophers, that the idea of egalitarianism, people-hood, and liberty -- and reason -- were granted to them by the authority of a creator. Mostly. I'd argue that some people, like TJ and Paine were near-athiests, but, technically, Jefferson WAS a deist.

So it's complex -- again, something a freeper wouldn't understand. I wrote, in the Derrida thread, about seeing a poster on FR, who remarked, on the occasion of Derrida's death, that he would join the other useless philosophers, such as Voltaire, Rousseau and Robspierre. I mean -- WHAT THE FUCK? But it makes sense -- the people who believe in a literal "King" in Heaven, and who pine for the clearly delineated, benevolently authoritarian King on Earth, as a representative of the trinity, did, then, and still believe in that old philosophy of order, hierarchy, nobility, etc. Pat Robertson's "God blesses the rich," is just a slightly updated version of the divine right of nobility. Their antipathy toward The Bill of Rights, egalitarianism, etc., and their cultural supremacy stand squarely against the compromise that was the Constitution.

That was the point of the Bill of Rights, and the point of the judiciary: to say, OK, you can get as rich as you want, or be as much of a bastard as you want, and believe in whatever magical entity you want, but in the eyes of the law, your "idea of order," shall not place you further above the law than anyone else (technically -- at the time it was all land-owning white males, but you get the idea), and that you may not enshrine your cultural institutions, without a supermajority, over the land, and you may not use your influence to rob others of their own inalienable rights.

I have to stop, because this just pisses me off. The left has a valid claim on government, in the US. Every time someone gets into the pull-quote game, or suggests that God had nothing to do with the US Constitution, a tiny little Enlightenment philosopher in heaven, dies. :) Even socialism, and nation-building (which is a liberal idea), and the idea of social justice have tiny little roots in Rousseau and others. Just remember, King George is still with us -- literally and figuratively. And the Tories are, too. The King rules by decree, and the loyalty of his armies. But there are more people than there are knights. When the people get upset, the king gets march to the Guillotine. But, without the right kind of catalyst, there are many more people who would rather just submit to the king. That, to me, is Anti-American. That's the Christian authoritarian freeper.

[Montagnard]

39. You have just stated what I have been unable to do near as well.

We are stilling fighting the 200 year old battle dressed in different uniforms. Those who believe in rights based on inheritance of social position vs. rights inuring to every human based on being created.

[bluemarkers]

42. then why does the constitution and commandments conflict?

Thou shalt have no other God before me conflicts with the first amendment.

A poster here had a sig line with something like RW'er love Biblical Rules but not Biblical philosophies. This is something we should say again and again. God's law can't be enforced by anyone on this earth. But we can live by the commandments as summed up by Jesus, To love God with all your heart and to love one another as you love yourself. I think a lot of fundies don't really like, much less love, themselves. And frankly imo, they don't really love God too much either if you look at their actions.

[tjwash]

43. 10% of their children secretly gay, Jesus was an Arab...

...and the Bible was written mostly by Roman Pagans.

Also, God would be ashamed of every one of them.

[Justitia]

47. We are drowning in deluded cretins, a product of contempt for critical

thinking.

They are so certain! So resolute! No sliver of doubt, no questioning!

Knowledge is dangerous!

Don't eat that apple!

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. I choose to be unchosen then. This *religion* stuff is getting tiresome.

And dangerous.

[leftofthedial]

49. and Gawd is a white male with a high school edjycashun

or at least part of one

Just like me!

If we kill them ragheads, it's 'cause Gawd is on our side.

With God On Their Side (Bob Dylan)

Oh my name it is nothin'
My age it means less
The country I come from
Is called the Midwest
I's taught and brought up there
The laws to abide
And that land that I live in
Has God on its side.

Oh the history books tell it
They tell it so well
The cavalries charged
The Indians fell
The cavalries charged
The Indians died
Oh the country was young
With God on its side.

Oh the Spanish-American
War had its day
And the Civil War too
Was soon laid away
And the names of the heroes
I's made to memorize
With guns in their hands
And God on their side.

Oh the First World War, boys
It closed out its fate
The reason for fighting
I never got straight
But I learned to accept it
Accept it with pride
For you don't count the dead
When God's on your side.

When the Second World War
Came to an end
We forgave the Germans
And we were friends
Though they murdered six million
In the ovens they fried
The Germans now too
Have God on their side.

I've learned to hate Russians
All through my whole life
If another war starts
It's them we must fight
To hate them and fear them
To run and to hide
And accept it all bravely
With God on my side.

But now we got weapons
Of the chemical dust
If fire them we're forced to
Then fire them we must
One push of the button
And a shot the world wide
And you never ask questions
When God's on your side.

In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.

So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.

[Justitia]

52. That is great stuff - did you write it yourself? Is it a poem or a song?

I read it like a poem. Very good.

[leftofthedial]

53. It's a Bob Dylan Song

Sorry. I inadvertently deleted (or failed to copy) the title and written by line.

It was fairly recently covered by Buddy Miller. Dylan wrote it in 1963.

[Justitia]

54. Ha! I feel silly, but reasssured of my own good taste - LOL. -eom

[leftofthedial]

56. Not that I don't write incredibly moving and beautiful songs . . .

Just not that one.

LOL

[librechik]

55. that's why education will NEVER be a priority for the Bush fascisti

the only way they stay in power is stupid, ignorant, mean-spirited rubes like that, who'll always just vote for the guy most like their dads & bosses. Superstitious cowards from the 16th century.

[sinkingfeeling]

57. In what year did God found America?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

62. 1492. or was it 6,012 yrs ago? I mean JC was american, right?

[Justpat]

58. No, revolt against people like GWB founded this country. n/t

[Beelzebud]

60. God invented the Ebola Virus!!!

[genie_weenie]

61. I DID NOT found this country!

Oh wait yes I did, I am my Own Personal Jesus and I have a Policy of Truth

[loudestchick]

64. "Never again" is what you swore, the time before. shocking!

[genie_weenie]

67. "All I ever wanted, All I ever needed"

"Was here in my arms"
Hmmm, maybe "words are so very unnecessary"
well I guess I'll just "Enjoy the Silence"...

[laylah]

63. I HEARD

that and all I could do was :puke: What an ignorant ass!

Jenn

[Disturbed]

65. It is all real simple.

God gets credit for all the good stuff. Satan gets credit for all the bad stuff. Case closed.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. So I guess the Natives don't count???

:shrug:

[RagingInMiami]

68. Ever hear of the Manifest Destiny?

That's how we swiped Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California and Colorado from Mexico in the 1800s. It basically meant that is was our God-given right to that territory.

[Montagnard]

69. I have evidently broken some rule

please do not post any further, it is against some rule here.

[Montagnard]

70. I have evidently broken some rule

please do not post any further, it is against some rule here.

[Montagnard]

71. I have evidently broken some rule

please do not post any further, it is against some rule here.