WH Attacks Gore: His words are representative of "angry left"

[Rose Siding]

This is really something. Today, the WP reports that last week, in a pathetic attempt to deflect attention from The Shooter, the WH heaped scorn upon a private citizen for doing just what they should have been doing: truthfully answering a question in a public forum:

During a question-and-answer session at the Jiddah Economic Forum, Gore was quoted by the Associated Press as saying that, since Sept. 11, 2001, Arabs in this country have been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable." He added: "Unfortunately, there have been terrible abuses, and it's wrong. I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."

The comments stirred an angry reaction on the right and in the blogosphere, and also drew a rebuke from Peter Wehner, director of the White House Office of Strategic Initiatives, which was e-mailed to reporters and others Tuesday. "It is noteworthy that Mr. Gore would travel to Saudi Arabia -- a repressive society which is the home of Osama bin Laden and most of the terrorists who executed the worst attack on the American homeland in our history -- to criticize (inaccurately) our government's response to that attack."

Gore has proved one of the most persistent critics of the president (and a hero to many on the left), and Wehner used the rest of his e-mail to chronicle some of those barbs. He said Gore's words are representative of an "angry left" mind-set within the Democratic Party.

Uh, right. How DARE Al Gore talk to them!


Did he criticize "(inaccurately)"?

from the east coast:
Published on Saturday, May 21, 2005 by the Los Angeles Times
Inaction in New York Prison Abuse Stirs Anger
Justice officials called the treatment of immigrants after 9/11 outrageous. The Bureau of Prisons has not held anyone to account

by Richard B. Schmitt and Richard A. Serrano

WASHINGTON — It was the first prison abuse scandal of the post-Sept. 11 era, when scores of immigrants were rounded up and jailed in New York after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

They were never charged with terrorism — but they endured abusive treatment that Justice Department investigators concluded was outrageous and cruel. It included being slammed into walls and subjected to unnecessary body cavity searches, some of it captured on videotape.
....
For example, an Egyptian restaurant worker detained in Brooklyn, Ehab Elmaghraby, alleged in a suit in Brooklyn federal court that guards "willfully and maliciously pushed a pencil" into his anal cavity during a strip search. Elmaghraby said guards inserted a flashlight during another search, which caused rectal bleeding.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0521-04.htm

to the west coast:
19 December, 2002
Mass arrests of Muslims in LA

US immigration officials in Southern California have detained hundreds of Iranians and other Muslim men who turned up to register under residence laws brought in as part of the anti-terror drive.
Reports say between 500 and 700 men were arrested in and around Los Angeles after they complied with an order to register by 16 December.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2589317.stm

and in between:
October 15, 2001,Los Angeles Times
Abuse of Rights for Detainees Reported
....
In Mississippi....In Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana.....

http://www.webcom.com/hrin/magazine/detainees.html

Cillizza and Balz didn't miss the chance to pile on with this blatantly unfair wrap up to their piece:

Gore, through a spokesman, declined to comment on the White House reaction, apparently on the belief that it would give the administration something more to attack.

What reporter attributes motives to someone for declining to comment? It could just as easily be true that the spokesman found the criticism to be as ridiculously unfounded, and unworthy of comment as I do.

[liveoaktx]

1. WH Rebuttal Words of a Rabidly Fearful Right

[bleever]

17. We're not just angry, we're angry and determined.

I think the "anger" meme could well backfire on them if we embrace it and tie it directly to the need to end corruption and restore the institutions of democracy.

[TahitiNut]

20. It's not rage; it's outrage.

It's an outrage deserved and invited by the outrageous behavior of an autocratic regime.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

30. Anger should be a net plus, but MSM treatment will be somewhat negative.

The Gingrich revolution in 1994 was certainly seen to be angry, so there is recent precedent. Also people plugged into the anger of Perot in '92. The problem is the MSM. This is one area where the double standard on Dems will be applied, so there is presently a little head wind. But I think that might get trumped by the blogs and historical conditions (independents are unhappy).

[shadowknows69]

69. I like the campaign slogan

"We're as mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore"
With all love and respect to Howard Beale of course.

[susu369]

2. The Wehner got one part correct

Gore certainly is a hero -- to me and many more citizens filled with righteous indignation (he calls it anger).

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. But Bush!

You told all us sheeple that Saddam and Iraq was behind 911! Now you're saying it was Saudi Arabia-hey, ain't all them Saudi fellers comin' by yer ranch and holdin' yer hand? A' course, if'n you think them there A-Rabs that live over here need to be rounded up and disappeared, that's fine with us sheeple, since if you haven't done nothin' wrong you'll be ok-and bein' from that funny religion is enough wrong to git you into trouble. :sarcasm:

[johnaries]

4. They're scared of Al. Rightfully so. Draft Gore 2008! n/t

[bowens43]

5. damn right we're angry

Look what these arrogant, ignorant, frightened, greedy, hate filled assholes have done to our country.

[rucky]

7. You beat me to it!

And in this case, the Left doesn't have a corner on the Angry Market.

[LiberalEsto]

9. Amen!

The rethugs should just get over it. So we're angry. So what the hell did they EXPECT us to feel? Amused?

[FreedomAngel82]

11. They want us to be telling jokes

[MadMaddie]

14. The rethugs should get over it...

Isn't that what they told the Dems after the election...Well, lets throw it back in their face!
I am tired of Dems being the whoopin boy for the Repugs...

[radfringe]

71. it's not just "anger" from the left

alot of former bush* voters have regretted their actions

President George W. Bush - Job Approval Ratings
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls.html

Direction of Country
Poll Date
RCP Average 2/6 - 2/15
Right Direction34.7%
Wrong Direction 61.3%
Spread -26.6%

[neuvocat]

6. How pathetic.

I guess its obvious Bush doesn't care anymore about even appeasing his loyal voters now that he's on his way out.

[MADem]

8. There's that ANGRY word again--that'll be their theme!!!

They had better watch their shit, though...if interest rates climb, and inflation cuts into spending, and people continue to have trouble getting basic medications through this drug fiasco they implemented, and people keep losing their jobs, they are gonna have more anger than they know what to do with.

That's a hugely risky approach...but then again, the "adults in charge" theme has worn thin and is no longer believable, especially since adults wouldn't let their house get crapped up (Katrina), allow thieves and bribers to march wholesale through Congress, or go shooting senior citizens in the face....

[kayice]

19. Anger can be a positive emotion, especially when one is tired of being

manipulated and decide to take a stand. Arrogance on the hand, can be self-destructive---I hope we still see the arrogance pour out of BushCo.----When you manipulate people, you never know when they will turn on you.

Why doesn't BushCo. ever give the wages or salary of the new jobs of the people who have lost their (old) jobs after 25-30 years? What is their new benefits package? Most likely, these people joined a different class of people, on their way to poverty level.

[SoCalDem]

61. A mother who finds out her child was molested is...well...

ANGRY....

A person who discovers that a thief stole all their money is...well....ANGRY..

A person who is lied about and treated like shit is...well....ANGRY..

Only a FOOL would not be angry about the raping and pillaging of our country

[FreedomAngel82]

10. If they're so pissed off about it

why did they let them now guard our oil ports? Why did they not question them on 9/11 or anything like that? Please. It's purely fake outrage because he's telling the truth. ON the Cheney story I find it interesting how they're all saying "oh get over it!" but yet they're keeping on with it. :eyes:

[tridim]

12. Yep, he's angry along with well over half the country

If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

70. "If you're not angry - you're not paying attention." Perfect! nt.

[KoKo]

13. Draft Gore in 08.....! n/t

[Patchuli]

15. Hypocrite! Thy name is Republican!

I guess we're not supposed to be mad over all the f*ck-ups, death and destruction. I guess we're no "madder" than they were back in '92 or '94 or whatever it was when Hypocrite Gingrich took out his 'Contract on America!'

[w13rd0]

16. Umm....

"It is noteworthy that Mr. Gore would travel to Saudi Arabia -- a repressive society which is the home of Osama bin Laden and most of the terrorists who executed the worst attack on the American homeland in our history -- to criticize (inaccurately) our government's response to that attack." --

HOME? If Saudi Arabia is the home of Ossama bin Laden, why hasn't Bush asked his good friend and hand-holding partner to just turn Ossama over?

[hollowdweller]

18. Will Gore Join Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, and Jane Fonda?

On the GOP hate list?

I mean I hear right wingers bring up Moore, Kennedy and Fonda into nearly every argument whether it's relevant or not. You'd think they were lawmakers or something( Moore and Fonda). I think it's interesting that Dems tend to demonize actual politicians over their legislation or views where wingnuts seem to focus on these people that have done something they don't like, sometimes 40 years ago.

[LiberalEsto]

22. They need to practice what they preach:

G.E.T..O.V.E.R..I.T

They're always yammering about our need to get over this and that. The 2000 election. The 2004 election. How about if they try getting over Fonda, etc. for a change of pace? These buttheads never get over anything, but they're always telling us to do so.

[AndyA]

21. Hypocrites!

"It is noteworthy that Mr. Gore would travel to Saudi Arabia -- a repressive society which is the home of Osama bin Laden and most of the terrorists who executed the worst attack on the American homeland in our history -- to criticize (inaccurately) our government's response to that attack."

Would this be the same Saudi Arabia that is getting the contract to operate our ports, and the same Saudi Arabia who walked hand in hand with our President at his ranch not too long ago?

Do as I say, not as I do! HYPOCRITES!!

[Mabus]

25. Thank you!

Shhhhh! We're not supposed to notice.

BTW,my poor husband has just sat through my rant about this particular excerpt. On the upside, he got on the thread on his own computer and is currently reading the article and doing his own rant.

[Glimmer of Hope]

35. They obviously live under a different set of rules and ethics

than everyone else!

[Uncle Joe]

23. What kind self respecting person would not be angry!?

The #1 most greedy, corrupt, secretive, incompetent and power hungry administration in our history does their utmost to destroy everything positive America stands for around the world and trash our constitution here at home. They have done nothing but lie to the American People even before they came to power in the coup of 2000!

I believe if the "good Germans" had been more pissed off, when Hitler came to power, they could have spared us all a lot of grief. Anyone that thinks this analogy is harsh need only view Bush's state of the union speech and see the right wing side of the aisle give a standing ovation as Bush blatantly stated he would continue to break the law thereby neutering Congress and the Judiciary. I am sure there were plenty of brown shirt types cheering on Hitler's complete takeover as the German Parliament burned.

[Turn CO Blue]

24. Gore struck a nerve. WH has gone into pre-emptive strike mode

just in case Gore decides to run in 2008.

[upi402]

26. beautiful! propagandists against truth!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :puke:

[Lisa]

27. mild words, actually -- "wrong" and "unforgivable" ....

... to describe unlawful detention, and even torture (e.g. the Maher Arar case) -- things which are the opposite of America's core beliefs.

Yet the White House screeches and flails around like wounded peahens, at the slightest criticism.

[cal04]

28. Fact-Checking the Right Wing's Attack on Al Gore

Earlier this week, in an attempt to shift attention away from Vice President Cheney’s hunting accident, the right wing attacked former Vice President Al Gore for calling attention to the round-up of Arabs and Muslims that occurred in the days after 9/11. Labeling him “seditious,” Michelle Malkin said Gore “slandered” America for stating that Arabs had been “indiscriminately rounded up” after 9/11.

On Tuesday, Karl Rove’s White House deputy, Peter Wehner, emailed Gore’s comments on background to reporters urging them to editorialize on the issue. On NBC’s Meet the Press, Tim Russert gave airtime to Paul Gigot, editor of the Wall Street Journal, so he could say this:

I think the remarks were notable. Because I think when you go to a country like that, particularly in the heart of Wahhabi Islam, and say we have indiscriminately rounded up Arabs in this country after 9/11 — first of all, I don’t think that’s true. I don’t remember us doing that.

While the right has been quick to politicize Gore’s remarks, they haven’t had the time to do a fact-check. Gore was merely stating what has been reported and well-documented over the past few years:

Even some government officials are worried. In a secret meeting of top Justice Department officials hours after the attacks, then-immigration chief James Ziglar rebuked those in the room for proposing a “roundup” of Arabs and Muslims. “I’m not going to be part of this if we’re going to do things that blatantly violate the law,” Ziglar declared, according to people there.

The Census Bureau’s decision to give to the Department of Homeland Security data that identified populations of Arab-Americans was the modern-day equivalent of its pinpointing Japanese-American communities when internment camps were opened during World War II, members of an advisory board told the agency’s top officials Tuesday. “This for the Arab-American community is 1942,” said Barry Steinhardt, a civil liberties lawyer and member of the panel, the Decennial Census Advisory Committee. “Thousands of Arab-Americans have been rounded up and deported.”

83,310: Number of foreign visitors from 24 predominantly Muslim nations who registered with the government after U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft required them to do so. (North Koreans also required to register.)

13,740: Number of those 83,310 who were ordered into deportation proceedings.

0: Number who were publicly charged with terrorism, although officials say a few have terrorism connections.

he United States was cited for detaining more than 1,100 people, mostly Arab or Muslim men, as part of an effort to round up potential terrorists. “Only a small number of those in custody were believed to have links to terrorism,” the report said.

More than 1,000 people have already been rounded up for questioning and Attorney General John Ashcroft has made no apology for the aggressive tactics. … But none of the people detained since the attack have been indicted for terrorism.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/19/attacks-on-gore/

[Beelzebud]

29. I'd rather be the Angry Left than the Complacent Right.

[Mabus]

31. What it means when Democrats call Republicans angry...

What it means when Democrats call Republicans angry...

"A central component of liberal hate speech is to make paranoid accusations based on their own neurotic impulses, such as calling Republicans angry, hate-filled, and mean. With no sense of self-irony, the left spitefully stereotypes Republicans as -- among other loathsome characteristics -- spiteful stereotypers." - Ann Coulter http://www.nrbookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c5985p

:rofl:

[Fovea]

34. Thus spake Ann Coulter

Future Nobel Peace Prize winner...


or not.

[Raffi Ella]

32. ha.

Damn right we're angry.Now back to the real issues...WHY ARE YOU SELLING OUR PORTS TO THE UAE BushCo.??

[Admiral Loinpresser]

33. To paraphrase Mary Matalin,

"overlooking the delicious irony," I think it probably helps Gore politically for primary campaign purposes (in the event he runs). Interestingly, the WP acknowledges that Gore is popular with the left but then puts an "apparently" clause on the end that could be interpreted to paint him as less than courageous (i.e. not wanting to respond to the WH for fear of giving them more ammo.

I think he's not responding because he doesn't have to. He answered a question truthfully and stands by it.

I think we should draft Gore. He is by far the best candidate at all levels.

[mnhtnbb]

36. Wonder how many times George HW Bush has been

in Saudi Arabia since 9/11. Anyone want to bet it's more times than Al Gore's been there?

[AlGore-08.com]

45. Actually, GHW Bush spoke at the first Jeddah Economic Forum in 2000

Which makes it even more slimy that the Smirk White House is implying that the Jeddah Economic Forum is some kind of terrorist organization.

Every time you think they can't sink lower, they prove you wrong.

[tuvor]

37. Oooooooooooh, the irony, Mr. Wehner!

So Wehner says, "It is noteworthy that Mr. Gore would travel to Saudi Arabia -- a repressive society which is the home of Osama bin Laden and most of the terrorists who executed the worst attack on the American homeland in our history -- to criticize (inaccurately) our government's response to that attack."

Well, it is also noteworthy that the bush administration would contract Saudi Arabia -- a repressive society which is the home of Osama bin Laden and most of the terrorists who executed the worst attack on the American homeland in our history -- for port security to aid in the American government's response to that attack.

[iconoclastNYC]

38. Republicans are anesthetized by fear!

If you aren't angry you aren't paying attention or else you've been anesthetized by fear.

[Raffi Ella]

42. ....

AMEN.:kick:

[Burried News]

39. First they ignored him, then they laughed at him, now they fight him

Timber.

[chat_noir]

40. House of Bush, House of Saud

House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties by Craig Unger

The perilous ramifications of the September 11 attacks on the United States are only now beginning to unfold. They will undoubtedly be felt for generations to come. This is one of many sad conclusions readers will draw from Craig Unger's exceptional book House of Bush House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties. As Unger claims in this incisive study, the seeds for the "Age of Terrorism" and September 11 were planted nearly 30 years ago in what, at the time, appeared to be savvy business transactions that subsequently translated into political currency and the union between the Saudi royal family and the extended political family of George H. W. Bush. On the surface, the claim may appear to be politically driven, but as Unger (a respected investigative journalist and editor) probes--with scores of documents and sources--the political tenor of the U.S. over the last 30 years, the Iran-Iraq War, the war in Afghanistan, the birth of Al Qaeda, the dubious connection between members of the Saudi Royal family and the exportation of terror, and the personal fortunes amassed by the Bush family from companies such as Harken Energy and the Carlyle Group, he exposes the "brilliantly hidden agendas and purposefully murky corporate relationships" between these astonishingly powerful families. His evidence is persuasive and reveals a devastating story of Orwellian proportions, replete with political deception, shifting allegiances, and lethal global consequences. Unger begins his book with the remarkable story of the repatriation of 140 Saudis directly following the September 11 attacks. He ends where Richard A. Clarke begins, questioning the efficacy of the war in Iraq in the battle against terrorism. We are unquestionably facing a global security crisis unlike any before. President Bush insists that we will prevail, yet as Unger so effectively concludes, "Never before has an American president been so closely tied to a foreign power that harbors and supports our country's mortal enemies."

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/074325337x/ref=dp_proddesc_2/103-8973351-9525459?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155&v=glance

[izzybeans]

41. Damn straight I'm angry, unashamedly so. Thank you Gore for

representing me in this time of dire significance.

[Stephanie]

43. If it's the Angry Left vs. the Crooked Right, I know which side I'm on

We have so many reasons to be angry. Any reasonably informed person should be outraged.

[AlGore-08.com]

44. So when will Smirk denounce the U.S. council of Churches as traitors?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060218/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_churches_iraq;_ylt=Av_qMFSnuFdZic49ebeVI6FvzwcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

U.S. Church Alliance Denounces Iraq War

By BRIAN MURPHY, AP Religion Writer
Sat Feb 18, 1:05 PM ET

PORTO ALEGRE, Brazil - A coalition of American churches sharply denounced the U.S.-led war in Iraq on Saturday, accusing Washington of "raining down terror" and apologizing to other nations for "the violence, degradation and poverty our nation has sown."

The statement, issued at the largest gathering of Christian churches in nearly a decade, also warned the United States was pushing the world toward environmental catastrophe with a "culture of consumption" and its refusal to back international accords seeking to battle global warming.

"We lament with special anguish the war in Iraq, launched in deception and violating global norms of justice and human rights," said the statement from representatives of the 34 U.S. members of World Council of Churches. "We mourn all who have died or been injured in this war. We acknowledge with shame abuses carried out in our name."

(more...)

[Bridget Burke]

46. Gore didn't travel to SA to criticize Bush, etc.

He's been doing it all along. But nobody noticed.

His speech over there did contain criticism--& his comments were accurate. I remember, post 9/11, how many Arabs or Arab-looking men were arrested for no good reason.

[Disturbed]

49. "Arab-looking men were arrested for no good reason."

To be accurate, most were not "arrested". They were detained. The Govt. can detain anyone and does not require a charge to detain anyone, even an American citizen, nor do the detainees recieve an Attorney if they cannot afford one, as anyone would that is arrested.

[Bridget Burke]

73. Correct! Detention is worse than being arrested.

Most of them had no legal recourse.

[pinto]

47. Thank God Gore didn't go to the UAE, a nation with known financial ties to

terrorism, and permit a UAE corporation to assume operation of some of the biggest international shipping ports in the United States. Now that would be irresponsible.

The irony eludes them....

[mzmolly]

48. Nope, that would be the "hypocritical/incompetent" right.

:hi:

[Rose Siding]

57. Yes, he might have stolen some of Karen Hughes' thunder,

as she carried a very similar message to our "business partners" just this weekend-

U.S. Envoy: Abuse in Iraq Was a Crime

By LARA SUKHTIAN
The Associated Press
Sunday, February 19, 2006; 6:07 PM

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- The top U.S. envoy for public diplomacy said Sunday the abuse of prisoners in Iraq was a crime and did not reflect U.S. policies in the Middle East.

In an interview with the Dubai based pan-Arab telecasting giant Al-Arabiya, Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes said the U.S. should not be judged by the actions of a few.

"These are horrible crimes and they are a violation of our laws and our policies. They do not represent the United States, and the president made it clear that we expect all prisoners to be treated with respect and in a humane way," Hughes said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/19/AR2006021900837.html

[pinto]

58. Yeah, and the "rationalization" is just mind boggling....

[LiberalAndProud]

50. TRUTH.hurts. /nt

[madmom]

51. So let's see the Saudi's are our friends when bush talks to them

(not to mention snuggle up with and kiss:puke:) but when a dem does it they are "a repressive society which is the home of Osama bin Laden and most of the terrorists who executed the worst attack on the American homeland in our history -- " did I get that right? Thought so:banghead:

[glitch]

52. Gore voice of "angry left" could be the first true words spoken by "rabid

right". Wonders never cease.

[WI_DEM]

53. which is worse the "angry left" or "the nutty right"?

[otohara]

54. But It's Okay to Sell Our Ports

outrageous hypocrisy and incompetence

[fearnobush]

55. When the so called leader of the USA gets a woodie from this man,

you bet we get angry. And guess what Neo Conn right, we'll stay angry and get more determined to stop your corrupt and evil dictatorship. It's a life long struggle, get use to it.
<>

[Catherine Vincent]

56. Last week on cspan the right wingers calling in wanted to talk

about Al Gore and not Dick Cheney. The shooting was a non-story to them.

[WinkyDink]

64. Per their marching orders.

[yurbud]

59. time to embrace rather than fear their labels the way gays did with queer

and gay for that matter.

liberal?
obstructionist?
angry left?

Given what the right has done to America these last five years, all of those should be badges of honor.

[Raksha]

60. The hell with all that "angry left" b.s.

I'm going to just ignore it from now on. Yeah, we're ANGRY, so what? We have a hell of a lot to be angry about!

[YellowRubberDuckie]

62. Why shouldn't we be angry?!

We're being screwed and our nation is being plundered and raped. Hell yes, I'm angry.
Duckie

[WinkyDink]

63. Just another attempt to make politics the province of Miss Manners.

Mustn't get "angry"! Soccer Moms don't LIKE that!

Maybe we should call illegal war "the deadly symptom of the Angry Right".

[Geek_Girl]

65. I think I'm going to make a Bumper sticker

Proud Member of the Angry Left!

[EVDebs]

66. As opposed to Bush "Happy Talk" and pollyanna drivel

"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war." ~Donald Rumsfeld

also see the DU link at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x462402

[Guaranteed]

67. NPR did a massive expose on those prisons.

They were- of course- torturing the inmates before deportation. With dogs. For no reason.

[autorank]

68. They had to attack. Now Gore will smash them. BRILLIANT SPEECH/IDEAS!

I saw the speech live. It is one of the most important speeches and arguments every out outlined by a foremer President or Vice President. He accused Bush of being a tyrant and, worse for them, he proved it to any reasonable persons satisfaction.

He was brilliant, transcendant...

Article:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00122.htm

Text of speech:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00121.htm

I would not have missed it for anything, jsut about.

Read the speech, copy it, give it to your friends.

[Uncle Joe]

75. That is a most excellent article by Michael Collins.n/t

[JI7]

72. they act like Gore got drunk and shot a man in the face

[progressivebydesign]

74. yeah, or lied about WMD and destroyed another country or something. n/t