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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:33 PM
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How the LEFT regains power - The TRUTH movement
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 04:56 PM by iconoclastNYC
If the left doesn't resort to more radical notions of activism there won't be an American left for much longer, I fear.



The TRUTH MOVEMENT, which focuses on educating people to real facts that demolish the typical American's CONVENTIAL worldview.

Convetional wisdom is created by the corporate media and is based on many widely believed myths.

By dispelling myths you create credibility for your movement and your point of view.


Several controversal issues are raised to new people brought into the movement.

NEW WORLD ORDER
RISE OF THE POLICE STATE
KENNEDY ASSIGNATION
FREE TRADE and the DECLINE OF THE MIDDLE CLASS

This movment consists of building social networks built were people discuss politics in a Salon form. Book clubs would be a party of this.

The movement targets Republicans and gets them to become Indpendants.

The focus is dissaffected factions of the Republican coalition. This includes pro-gun types, hunters, small government conservatives, fiscal conservatives. Notable people to exclude are the leadership, the fundamentalist/antisecularists, and the Fascistic-PNAC-military industrial alliance.


The right is doing this with the black voting block, talking to black churches and telling them that the Democratic Party is failing us.

They also have the Log Cabin Republicans to pick off gay Democrats.

And they've been at war with Feminism from the beggining.

Wedge politics all the way baby - this is the only way we can take back the country. We have to build the social networks to get this movement off the ground. I think this approach also would serve to unite the country.

The target for 2006 and 2008 should be White Conservatives attacking the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress' complete abdication of it's role as a check to Executive power grabs.

We run on the ideals of the forefathers and speak the language of a small government conservative, but only on matters of the Executive power.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:35 PM
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1. Next? (snicker)
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:38 PM
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4. more converts won over to the center-right.
Yay!
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:38 PM
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6. Who says?
You strip away the people in the Republican party who are stuck with Republicans now and you marginalize thier leadership.

This makes sense.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:44 PM
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11. wasn't aimed at you.
:)
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:36 PM
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2. What's an ASSANATION?
nt
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:47 PM
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13. It's the true truth that will appeal to true conservatives truly (snicker)
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:38 PM
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5. Wow, that should lose 'en fast.
The left should continue the movement it abandoned after King's death. The left should continue to move forward with worker, civil, and women's rights AND point out the lies being told and the truth of our rights, economy, and national security being systematically dismantled. "New world order" is too abstract. Get down where people live.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:39 PM
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8. I'll give y'all a kick / r
peace and low stress, mdmc
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:40 PM
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9. You aren't going to build a movment
On an abstract bumper sticker slogan.

You have to build a movment thru education.

You educate people on the TRUTH.

Which is not what the media has been telling us for nearly 40 years.

We have to start talking to voters as adults and stop pretending there is a Santa Clause.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:38 PM
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7. I agree -- it does sound like DU is getting more involved in this as the
new Activist thing is focused on Rep. Conyer's three bills to begin Watergate style investigations but Conyers calls it Impeachment Inquiry on his Action site and requests citizen co-sponsors:

http://www.johnconyers.com Conyer's Action Items
http://www.conyersblog.us/

1. IMPEACHMENT: Support John Conyers' Watergate-style investigation (H.Res. 635) of Bush's Iraq War lies - and also accelerate the process by introducing Articles of Impeachment for Bush and Cheney.

2. GETTING OUT OF IRAQ: Support John Murtha's bill to remove troops from Iraq (H.J. Res 73) and Jim McGovern's bill to end funding for the Iraq War (H.R. 4232).

Democratic Underground is joining with Democrats.com, Progressive Democrats of America, After Downing Street, Gold Star Families for Peace, Hip Hop Caucus, Democracy Rising, and Velvet Revolution, to support this effort.
DU ACTIVIST CORPS TASK: SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT/OUT OF IRAQ DEMONSTRATIONS TASK:

1. Head over to Democrats.com and learn more about these demonstrations:
http://www.democrats.com/cd
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:42 PM
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10. Emptywheel at Kos today in her excellent article on the real reason behind
the Cheney coverup linked to a whole page of NWO, Trilateral, Order of Malta sites. Including http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secretsocieties_nwo.htm Check it out on the left hand side of Kos front page.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:53 PM
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16. The ancient Egyptian light bulb....
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/

"You are living in the "End Days" just before the Second Coming "

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/therevelation2.shtml

Ho-kay.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:27 PM
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25. What does that have to do with anything?
Just throwing some random links and some babblings doesn't accomplish anything. Why don't you do us all a favor and convey a complete thought.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:33 PM
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28. You tell us, since that was the link dredged up
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:51 PM
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14. How about the old fashioned way? By organizing?
Getting out there and building our Democratic community, one precinct at a time, taking back our town halls and school boards. By serving as precinct chairs, election judges, and getting involved. Getting to know our friends and neighbors and talking to them, on their level, about what's meaningful to them.

Now, of course, this will get exactly 0 replies, because DU more readily responds to high drama and sweeping policy statements, not good sense and advocating hard work.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:52 PM
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15. Palpable Rage
Palpable Rage - by thereisnospoon Sat Feb 18, 2006 at 04:11:46 PM PDT

Yesterday, my fellow Kossacks, was an amazing day.

Yesterday was the day I discovered that it's the beginning of the end for this criminal, kleptocratic government. Yesterday was enough to turn me--an avowed pessimist--into a bold and hopeful optimist.

And yesterday brought tears to my eyes and made me want to cry, or just crawl out of my skin in rage and scream out to the world. Yesterday I heard the voices of a working nation crying out in pain, anger and suffering. And it was a beautiful, heartwrenching sight....

It was two nights ago that I flew out of Los Angeles to a city that will remain nameless on United Airlines. It was a red-eye, and the flight was delayed by two hours. When we actually got ready to taxi out for takeoff, the pilot said something that thrilled and chilled me simultaneously, causing me both fear for my safety, and also political exhilaration:

Sorry about the delay folks, but as you know, times are tough. Every minute these planes are on the ground, they're losing money. So our corporate overlords make sure we fly these planes to death and fill them to capacity. So we're doing the best we can.

I couldn't believe I heard a pilot use the words "Corporate Overlord" on an aircraft....hereafter, we learned that there were no pillows available on the flight. There was a lot of grumbling, but I was shocked to hear the woman just behind me say:

"Yeah well, I'll just bill my hours of lost sleep back to the White House. Bastards." The "White House"? What airline was a flying? "Commie pinko Librul" airlines?...

I believe in maintaining loyalty. You gain respect by giving it, and having a sort of family feeling in your working environment. And that means being accountable to people--especially to your employees....

You hear about the Enrons and the WorldComs and all these other companies that have been aided and abetted by this government's policies, and it's true. I refuse to work that way, and this company refuses...

Our competitor, three years ago, was off of its sales projections by . So they fired % of their workforce. That's number of people laid off, plus all their families, so that's really <3x or 4x> people. The very next day, the same CEO gave himself a multimillion dollar bonus, and then the day after that gave the ex-president memberships to eight exclusive golf-courses and diner's clubs. It's disgusting. People won't stand for it for long--and it's just bad business.

I was stunned. I couldn't believe that a company executive was speaking to me in these terms--politically enlightened, progressive, and absolutely disgusted with the way things are operating.

~ thought cabdrivers were pretty reliably conservative! that had certainly been my experience...What was happening? At this point, I could feel the anger welling up in these hardworking souls all across the nation. I started to get sick to my stomach with the feeling of empathy and shared rage...
And READ THE COMMENTS:

Someone on a bus mentioned PNAC and asked if anyone had heard of it.
=
Are you in Arizona? That's great news. Also a New Yorker (And in the People's Republic of the Upper West Side, no less.) But I can sense it even here. People who might have been passive Democrats are becoming furious. Some Republicans are now convinced that Bush is a disaster.

People in this country have to be beaten over the head by disaster after disaster to realize how much they're being screwed. It's now come to that point --

Schiavo
Social security
Katrina
Abramoff
NSA
Medicare Plan D
and Iraq as a constant horror in the background.

If people feel this way with under 5% unemployment, wait until the inevitable downturn. This is why there was little or no political downside to filibustering Alito.
=
Also mentioned a lot was the fact that even staunch republicans were affected by the non-stop Katrina coverage and the fact that people who are paid a lot of money to take care of us in disasters don't give a damn if we live or die. This has been a very deep wound and even if sublimally, people including lifelong Republicans know it is not just in far off countries but Americans have been abandoned and Katrina was proof positive that cannot be ignored.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:08 PM
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19. Great. Now how many of those people
are going to get off their asses and go vote?

Being mad isn't enough. Being an intelligent educated voter who is ready and knows how to go into the voting booth and pull that lever is what we need. And I don't see enough people out there teaching voters and doing things like block walking, phone banking, and working for candidates.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:31 PM
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27. Do they even need to vote?
If they used to vote Republican but don't anymore we still win.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:55 PM
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17. That takes actual work....
And people who do that are liable to get laughed at when they spout mindless silliness like "Hillary is a corporowhore."

It's much easier to post manifestos....
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:09 PM
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20. Yep.
Sometimes I really dislike DU.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:38 PM
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29. Who is saying that?
Oh let me guess you won't name names?

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:59 PM
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18. I'm with you, crispini.
I don't think the average Joe thinks in terms of huge global assaults on our system. They do think bread and butter issues, and they know when they are being lied to. They also don't know who some of these players in this high political drama are. We need to speak to our neighbors about decency, truth, and caring for one another in the community. The truth is that it is an American value to care for your community. The Katrina response does not reflect an American value.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:10 PM
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21. Amen.
It's time to meet your neighbors and turn them into Democrats.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:42 PM
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30. I see what you are saying
And all these bigger secret issues that the mainstream Democrats are afraid to touch because it attacks commonly head myths are the reasons for the way things are going.

There was a reason why the Labor Unions were destroyed.

There was a reason why we kept escalation the Vietnam War.

There are hidden connections between all of our problems and the mainstream Democratic party is too afraid to touch them.

Look at how they walked away from Flordia 2000 and Flordia 2004.....they caved and they attack anyone who points this out
as crazies.

Until we can face the truth, the WHOLE truth. We will remain irrevelant.

This is why we need a TRUTH movement.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:29 PM
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26. The old fashion way is FAILING
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 05:29 PM by iconoclastNYC
First of all this is utilizing old fashion techniuqes you describe in a new way.

But what I said is true, we need to start thinking outside of the box.

The Republicans\Right wing have been out-innovating the left for decades.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 08:39 PM
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34. No, they've been outWORKING us.
That is how they took over the country -- building a network of activists and precinct chairs, going to the churches, and training their voters to vote, vote, vote.

Thinking outside the box is great but far too many people on DU who are passionate, concerned liberals seem to confuse posting on DU with real activism. It's not, and it's never going to take the place of community involvement. The number 1 reason most non-voters move to becoming voters is that someone personal in their lives that they like asks them to go vote.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:31 PM
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35. Sounds good to me.
All caps TRUTH wreaks of zealotry which may play well with right-wing goofs, but comes across as creepy to those receptive to progressive ideas.

I don't want TRUTH. I just want the cessation of BULLSHIT.

Grassroots organizing focused on the electoral process is pretty much the foundation for this. Sadly, I'm a 2 hour drive from the U.S. border (in good traffic), so it's not much of an option for me personally. (Although I did do a tiny bit of volunteer work for the NDP candidate in my riding here in Toronto. She won, too!)
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:54 PM
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31. DP is packing with Career Military personnel
obviously intending to "prove" Dems are as concerned about national security as the Reich Wing Bots.

When the Left brings up legitimate concerns, questions and critisms about the ever right ward direction (read appeasing the fascists)The Democratic Party turns around and tells the left to sit down and shut the fuck up.

The Left continues to take this abuse over and over again, but the Left had better stop rolling over to their autorcratic dictatorial edicts and machinations.

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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:58 PM
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32. Ouch
Sinister spin on the Fighting Dems thing. I don't like the idea of Wes Clarke at all.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:59 PM
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33. one problem . . . we need to find a leader willing to tell the truth . . .
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth . . . and I haven't seen any so far . . .

I do agree that telling the American people the truth -- about EVERYTHING -- is the key to taking back our government and our country . . . the problem is that telling the truth doesn't square with politics, so we'll have to find a non-politician to carry the torch . . .

any suggestions? . . .
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:14 PM
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36. Another problem, we have to protect and defend our truthful leaders.
The reason we don't have more courageous leaders stepping up to the plate is due to our lack of protecting and showing more outrage and reaction at the deaths of our leaders JFK, MLK, and RFK and others.

Pretty soon people will logically stop stepping up to the base.

Would you?

We have to address this issue and address how our best American leaders have been attacked and even killed for telling the truth and doing the right thing. So what are we going to do about it as Americans?

Much if not most of it is up to us and how much we are willing to actively participate and protect our good leaders. And the term "good leader" means someone who is actually willing to stand CONSISTENTLY in taking those actions that are in the highest interest for all Americans and that promote harmony and positive growth. Good leaders don't divide, scapegoat, promote war or neglect those who are not wealthy.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:49 AM
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40. good point . . . and don't forget Wellstone . . . n/t
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:57 AM
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41. I dont think we need leaders.
We need activists to talk to thier friends, family, and neighbors. We've been waiting for a great progressive leader for too long.
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:22 PM
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37. Progessives are not progressive ENOUGH.
Apologies for posting something that takes a shot at our own, but I think there is a lot of truth in this article.

The Empress Has No Clothes

AMY GOODMAN’S REALITY BLACKOUT

by
Carolyn Baker

Okay, someone on a progressive website finally dared to write an article questioning Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now programming. Reza Fiyouzat at Online Journal asks in his January 3 article: “What’s wrong with Amy Goodman?” (http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_387.shtml) Gee, all this time I’ve been afraid to take the risk. Is it not politically incorrect, or even unkind, to question the queen of “progressive” talk radio? Aren’t Air America or Democracy Now the only news alternatives that aren’t composed of completely contrived corporate compost? Didn’t Rodney King have it right? Shouldn’t we all try to get along, especially those who place themselves on the left end of the political spectrum?

Nothing personal here. I like Amy Goodman. She’s bright, articulate, and undoubtedly, a decent human being. But Amy has some jaw-dropping blind spots — some uncanny omissions in her so-called “progressive” programming that frequently cause her news reportage to disappear into a black hole of irrelevance because she simply refuses to deal with certain issues.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011306_empress_clothes.shtml
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:42 PM
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38. Why would you
Why would you want to promote racist and antisemitic conspiracy theories that originate with the far right wing? I mean, repackaging conspiracy theories from the John Birch Society, Willis Carto/American Free Press, and Lyndon LaRouche is not exactly the way to build a progressive movement.
http://www.publiceye.org/rightwoo/Rwooz.html
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:47 PM
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39. I think the gender based slur he used explains why.
My, someone's true colors are showing.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:58 AM
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43. Excuse me?
What are you talking about?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:58 AM
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42. What are you talking about?
What about what I posted is racist or antisemitic?
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:11 PM
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44. Nothing that you posted
However you advocated spreading of conspiracy theories that are rooted in far right racist and antisemitic hate groups. All of them that you mentioned are. Read the article I linked to above.
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