So they won't give money to the legit gov elected in Palestine for

[xultar]

humanitarian aid but they will give money to the UAE to manage our ports?

Please help me to understand. I don't quite get this. I need some HELP understanding this.

[LittleClarkie]

1. They've declared them a terrorist organization

but the tax money the Israelis collect rightfully belongs to Palestine.

No empathy there. They treat the Palestinians the way the world historically treated them. Of course the Palestinians react the way they do. Wouldn't you?

That said, I also don't approve of Hamas' attitude toward Israel, refusing to acknowledge their existence.

What an ugly situation overall.

[msongs]

2. would you give money to someone who wants to murder your best friend?

that hamas wants the destruction of israel might have a little bit to do with that part.


not sure these two items have a common connection.

Msongs
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[northzax]

6. the problem is, it makes us hypocrites

I know, we don't have a problem with that, but we can't tell everyone to have elections and then punish them for doing so. Democracy is a messy thing, after all.


Plus, it gives Hamas another marketing tool. Being hated by the americans is a good thing in some parts of the world, they get someone else to blame for their inevitable failures (not that they will fail more than anyone else, neccesarily, but all governments fail at something, Bush uses Al-Quaeda as a bogeyman to distract attention from himself, Hamas gets another crack at using the Americans.)

personally, I am a big fan of integration, the mosre a state is intwined in the global system, the less incentive they have to fuck it up.

[xultar]

8. That is what I'm trying to point out. Democracy as we define it only.

We wanted them to hold elections and they did. Then we punish them for exercising their vote.

Makes no sense.

[NaturalHigh]

11. We have no obligation to give aid of any sort to terrorists...

and Hamas is, without question, a terrorist organization. Giving money to Hamas does nothing but ensure more attacks on innocent civilians in Israel.

[northzax]

14. we have pledged aid to the Palestinian government

the Palestinian people elected, in a fair and free election, Hamas to represent them. Soi be it. Giving money to Israel does nothing but ensure more killing of innocent Palestinians, right?

it's an ugly situation, and only an outside party, like the US, can force both to the table to come to an arrangement.

it's either that or another 50 years of innocents dying. Both sides have a choice, either kill everyone, and I mean everyone, on the other side, or figure out a way to make peace. If I could build a wall, and keep them all from killing everyone else, that would be fine, but I can't. so it's all of our problems.

Look, I may be in a unique situation. several years ago, I lived with a girl who had lost two grandparents in the holocaust, and a palestinian who's parents had been kicked out of their house after the Six Day War. She grew up in a refugee camp. Who has the better case? the child of a refugee camp, or the child of a work camp? have you ever met someone who grew up in a refugee camp? that really ain't pleasant. Israel treats the Palestinian like trash, and they are shocked when the Palestinians are annoyed by it. 31st century serfs, that's what the Palestinians are, Israel either needs to kill every last one of them, or give them land to live on, the choice really lies in Tel Aviv. Holocaust, or sharing? make a choice. and I don't use that lightly, the only solution is extermination or co-existance. And the ball is in Israel's court.

[951-Riverside]

10. The UAE is Civilized HAMAS isnt

Hamas is no better than German Nazis

[president4aday]

12. Who is "your best friend" ? What has "your best friend" done

for us (or you)lately? or ever?

Are you not troubled that "your best friend" does the most killing, and is amply rewarded for such.

Why is "your best friend" not the people who do the most dying?

[MadMaddie]

3. My friend....to understand this would mean that

you were insane.

Because like you and i and fellow DU'rs we would use logic to determine that Palestine had a democratic election and they chose their leader, thus they would be eligable for humanitarian aid.

And it would also take logic-(hell just common sense) UAE to manage our ports-to know that you don't put Foxes in charge of the henhouse no matter how nicely dressed and well mannered they are...except of course you are getting some kind of kick backs to line your pockets....

Welcome to the Twilight Zone 2006!!

:beer:

[xultar]

9. Amen!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. "Democracy" only pertains when "our" guys win.

Usually with a little help from the geniuses at CIA.

[Avalux]

5. It's a Catch 22, isn't it?

Let's spread democracy so everyone can be free! Uh oh - you elected bad guys - can't help you.

[ladjf]

7. None of us can understand it with total clarity because we don't

have access to the "books", i.e. the money trail. Our Country and our quality of life are commodities in the world of bigtime politics. We have almost no advocates and the ones that we do have are not armed with teeth that can hurt the monster.

[cantstandbush]

13. I keep telling you that the only people who want peace in the ME are

the Palestinians. The US and Israel do NOT want peace. Arafat agreed to Israels right to exist after many, many years of saying this was an obstacle to the peace process and what did it get him? A Swiss cheese outline for the Palestinian territoring with the best land and water controlled by Israel. It's not about recognizing Israel or recognizing their right to exist. What about recognizing the Palestinians and their right to exist, which Israel has also not done. It's not about reining in terrorists because Israel still terrorizes and occupies the Palestinians. It's all about a constant state of war so that anything either the US or Israel decides to do is justified as national security.