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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:26 PM
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Who the hell cares what YOU think?
In case anyone has missed it, EVERYTHING the *misanthropissantministration does is an "in your face" golden shower. So let's connect us a few dots here:


When you follow the money...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x467895

Carlyle Group Connexion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x473684

UAE corp. exec. to be U.S. DOT Administrator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x472586

UAE to get $265 Million Spaceport for Suborbit Flights
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x473243

Who is Sir John Parker?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x473600

Port Security - Kerry warned us!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x472697

Bush messed with PS federal grants just before Dubai/US port announcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x473285

In case you didn't know the connection between the UAE and 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x465919

Our Ports are a Tradeoff!! All about $$$ and Oil
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x471124


What I am asking that thoughtful folks consider is the broader picture of what is occuring. The *corp media over the last few months has 'Muricans all whipped up into a frenzy about dem crazy Ay-rabs going bats over a cartoon, Iran's non-existent nuclear capability, highlighting any and every atrocity committed in any backward village they can find und so weiter und sofort.

NOW T*PTB announce selling off the administrative functions of major (mostly east coast) ports to UAE, with the Carlyle Group FIRST in line to reap more HUMUNGOUS profits. They are NOT unaware that the anti-Arab conditioning of the American populace will create a bi-partisan backlash. Could the question being posed be, "WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK?"

Subtext: "And just what are YOU gonna do about it?"
THEN peruse the first 3 pages of DU for links to Halliburton's new(?) contracts for detention facilities...

*dauphin and dead-eye fer sure don't give a quail's ass what you think, but I for one am curious... :shrug:

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:31 PM
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1. You're right. They DON'T care what we think!
They NEVER have. It's all going on IN PLAIN SIGHT!!! Follow the PNAC roadmap...it's all there.

Peace.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:29 PM
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6. As plain as the embroidery
on dead-eye's cap when he visited Auschwitz dressed in "hunting" clothes... Anyone still have that photo?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:10 PM
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12. This disgusting picture?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:31 PM
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13. Yup, that's the one
Hard to read the "message" on his cap though.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 08:37 PM
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15. What does it say?
:shrug:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:13 PM
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17. STAFF
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:14 PM
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18. Oh shit. That's right.
He's a rat bastard. Through and through.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:26 PM
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20. Uh... I don't get it.
What am I missing?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:38 PM
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21. Oh, Marie...
Look at all the other diplomats and heads of state dressed appropriately for such a solemn ceremony and behold your *Veep in casual hunting wear with cap that has STAFF emblazoned on it AT AUSSCWITZ and tell me again that you don't get it. :SIGH:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:29 PM
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26. It shows an incredible contempt and lack of respect
That I get. What I'm not sure I understand is exactly the significance of the STAFF cap. Was he trying to evoke a Nazi Guard? Even if he had such contempt, why show it, you know? To sort of needle people with his power, & say that he doesn't have to follow the rules of society, & can even quietly show his contempt for this event? Is it a sort of silent power trip for him? I DO NOT understand the neocon mindset, and it's a definite weakness. My default is to always assume people have good motives, and so I have to keep periodically remembering exactly how evil these guys are. Luckily there are so many people here who have much more information about this regime to learn from.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:14 AM
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36. Which is EXACTLY what the *PNAC "folks"
show the American people with every policy they enact and every brazillion dollar transaction they make. Complete contempt.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:32 PM
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2. Yep. ANOTHER red herring IMHO. nt
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:33 AM
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37. Plais Adder strikes again!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:35 PM
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3. Oh, they don't care what I think
but I care what YOU think. :)

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 08:23 PM
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14. No comment!
:rofl:
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:48 PM
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4. Nobody cares
What I think anyway. Hell....even here on the DU nobody really cares what I think for the most part. Even in my own family I am the misunderstood blacksheep despite how many times I've been proven correct.

Nobody's ever paid attention to me, so these points are just business as usual. ::sigh::




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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:31 PM
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8. Na, Du...
:hug:
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:11 PM
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5. Thanks for putting these together n/t
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:31 PM
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7. It's all out of the bag so it doesn't matter how they flaunt it.
IMO these psychopaths know their days are numbered and that they can't hide anymore, so they try to foment despair by acting like they don't care. It's all phony tough guy crap wrapped in psy-ops.

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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:33 PM
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9. Great post - Michael Moore would be proud!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:46 PM
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10. Thanx for your support
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 07:42 PM by Karenina
although I would surely appreciate an explanation of what you think
my favorite Michelin Man in a baseball cap has to do with this discussion. Forgive me if I misread you. I'm a bit of a raw nerve these days... An ocean away and FARKING FREAKING OUT at what I can clearly see going down in the land of my birth. No longer able to speak frankly to my nearest and dearest, my ex-pat buds console me saying it's the same with their families. "Just don't GO THERE with THEM. It's useless."
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:01 PM
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11. They only care what I think when I have thoughts that will get
me tombstoned.

-Hoot
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:11 PM
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16. It's almost as if they got away with something, somewhere
along the line, which made them realize that the sky's the limit with what they can get away with now. I dunno what, could've been any number of things, I suppose including their 2nd national election. All they have to do is trot out some terrorist tapes or threats or this and that, or change the subject. The subject will get changed on this too, and it will fall through the cracks like so many other things. Mark my words.

You'd think the sheer weight of all these scandals would topple this administration, but it hasn't happened yet, has it? Are we approaching any straw for this camel's back? I don't dare hope any more.
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:05 PM
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38. 911 maybe? We know for sure they got away with anthrax n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:21 PM
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19. What do YOU think?
I care. :) You seem to be hinting that all these events form a pattern, but what exactly do you think is happening?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:45 PM
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23. Sweetiekins,
I've been following this shit for decades and got the hell outta dodge a l-o-n-g time ago. It's up to YOU now to connect the dots.
When you look through all the links I posted and can do no better than to speculate that I'm 'hinting" at something while the shadow of the jackboot over your head is on the ground for YOU to see, I simply don't know what more I can say.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:20 PM
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24. The ships of Tarshish won't get home, that's what I think.
eom
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:01 AM
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33. I had to look that one up!
:hug:
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:42 AM
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29. I have my own ideas, but
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 01:39 AM by Marie26
I was curious to see if it's the same thing you are thinking. Sometimes I veer between "tin-foil" and non-tin foil mindsets. The non-tin foil part of me says that it's an overreaction, just typical corruption & cronyism, etc. etc. But the tin-foil part of me sees a pattern developing, and I've seen it developing for awhile. But even so, it's difficult for me to explain; I can't quite grasp it. It seems like you've got a lot better handle on it.

As I see it, it goes something like this. Corporate media dutifully beating the fear drumbeats Bin Laden tapes, false terror alerts, cartoon propaganda, Iran's "defiance" on nukes, ports sold to Arabs. The overall message is "fear the Muslims" and that's gotten much louder in the past couple months. They are trying to prepare people, create the images, so that these images are instilled in us and we will instantly react in a certain way.

At the same time, these ports are sold to the UAE, an act that seemingly contradicts the Administration's anti-terror mantra and alienates Republicans. But it doesn't matter to Bush how much public support they lose over this, because they've gained something much more valuable to them. UAE has given them something very valuable in return. Maybe that "deal" involves using UAE to ship oil from Iraq. Iraq is landlocked, but if UAE allows us to use their ports, Halliburton & Co. can start pumping out the oil & start making money from Iraq. Or maybe it involved using UAE airspace, land & water to launch an attack at Iran - UAE is practically touching the Iranian coast. This is what I'm leaning toward. Maybe both. (The Cheney gathering of Halliburton & aerospace lobbyists seems related to implemention/discussion of this step as well.)

The PNAC plan for empire is incredibly ambitious & practically impossible to implement as our society exists now. They're going to have to be more dramatic. I think we are racheting up to go to war with Iran next, but the old propaganda isn't working like Iraq. In order to get Americans to accept the next war, they need something big. Something that scares Americans enough that we accept it w/o question. "Fear the Muslims" is drilled into us; "fear Iran" is drilled into us - if something big happens, we've already been told who to blame. All they need is that event. And maybe that event is what this sale allows.

I have read all your links, and you are outlining a pattern, but IMO, a couple dots don't seem to fit. Even in my tin-foil mindset, the detention camps don't fit the pattern; first, because there's no media coverage - it's not part of the propaganda package; second, because the Admin. doesn't seem to be giving the message to fear them; it wants us to fear the Middle East. I don't see that "What are you going to do about it" subtext. Instead, they seem to be basically ignoring public opinion as they do the machinations. Am I connecting the dots somewhat? I don't get it all, really, but I'm trying to learn. And I feel this odd pressure to do so that keeps me coming back to DU. Thanks for collecting & posting those links!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:17 AM
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30. We're DEFINITELY on the same page!
Should the American citizenry suddenly awaken from it's electronically-induced stupor and realize what's at stake, ALL THE SYSTEMS NEEDED to repress it are ALREADY in place. It's true that's not "common knowledge" but it doesn't really need to be.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:40 PM
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22. yo' MAMA cares...
nt.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:27 PM
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25. Kicketh Say I
And Recommendeth to the realm of plausadeniadisability.

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre."

~ Frank Zappa, 1977
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:42 PM
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27. Great post and a nice roundup of threads that
need to be read. A young man called Randi this afternoon. I was driving around doing my errands, but he said that he hadn't heard anyone else talk about the ports except her. He decided to do his own research and crazily enough picked a source from the Fox Network website about this. He figured out that their story was BS. Randi for once listened.

I got the impression that he was just getting his eyes opened and didn't know about places like DU or the other ones. She asked him how old he was and he said he was twenty six. Now there is hope that the jungen aren't buying the carpets our media and Repubs are trying to sell them. I mean this kid was really cool. I wish I were his mother.
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Montagnard Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:07 AM
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28. Please remove my post
It offend some that I post too much. Thank you.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:26 AM
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31. When it comes to money vs people, guess what wins?
This whole UAE = Terrorists is a farce. It's about corporations cashing in with the backing of politicians.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:36 AM
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32. Ich denke,
daß das meiste Amercans nicht trauen, für selbst zu denken.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:05 AM
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34. Denken? Warum?
Fernseh gucken...
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:44 AM
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35. AS I've said before, it's a win, win situation for them.
They don't care what we think. It's not on THEIR to-do list.
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:08 PM
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39. I just wanna say:
Any female that will use the phrase ""in your face" golden shower" in regards to Bush mis-actions, is tops in my book!



:rofl:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:08 PM
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40. don't forget
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:08 PM
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41. Anyone who hasn't seen the video
posted in Helderheid's link would be well-advised to click on it.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:31 AM
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42. thanks!
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:34 AM
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43. *'s attitude towards the world:
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