Freeps on Bush veto threat (UAE)

[sidwill]

When I read the Bush Veto I naturally wanted to see how our brothers and sisters on Freerepublic would respond to it so I went over for a look.

Most of the posts question the wisdom of both the UAE getting the contract and Bush's veto threat (to their credit) yet every 4th post or so some one would chime in with a "Bush knows what he's doing" or "Bush knows better than we do".

This is interesting to me as Freerepublic basically arose out of questioning the decisions of those in power yet about 20% of the posters are basically saying that they shouldn't question anything Bush does.

Interesting.

[maxrandb]

1. 20%???

My experience is that it's more like 90% of Freakers that don't question anything Bush does

[politicaholic]

2. Did you happen to count the # of posts with the word "Clinton" in them?

They'll question, but shut up once they're told what to think. Just wait for it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. We get the same thing here and I'm not sure I haven't been...

guilty of it. There have been times actions of the Democrats haven't seemed to make much sense and I have definitely seen posts that say, "Well I don't know why they are doing this, but I'm sure they know what they are doing." One example that springs immediately to mind was all the second-guessing going on right after the 2004 election.

[bloom]

25. I think it's a good idea

to read opinions by people who don't necessarily favor the Democrats - or any party.

Of course then are those (I think from the right - but some are on the left) who try to disenfranchise everyone (something like South Park comes to mind) - and that's not good either.

[Posteritatis]

112. I read FR semi-casually, along with a few other sites

It's useful as a barometer of views, and helps avoid the echo chamber effect ("Clearly everyone really thinks that ___________").

Just like I feel more informed (and a little safer) having an idea of what the government's up to, I like to have a feel for what large parts of the electorate are up to as well, especially the parts I don't agree with. It's good for getting into other peoples' minds, and it sure beats being blindsided.

[mia]

149. I agree. n/t

[Kierkegaard]

4. I find it less interesting than I do frightening.

You'd have to be a pretty sick puppy to blindly follow someone without any reservations whatsoever, especially considering the amount of controversy surrounding his entire freakin' life!

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[Connie_Corleone]

6. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Kierkegaard]

8. Well, if you are truly a Republican,

you should have seen the wolf in sheep's clothing a mile away. He's no conservative by any stretch of the imagination. Glad you've seen the light and welcome to DU.

:hi:

Oh, and don't waste your time being confused. Just help us get rid of the bastard!

[Jacobin]

9. Google 'Carlyle Group"

[Kierkegaard]

11. There you go. I should have thought of that.

That should explain volumes...

[Nutmegger]

12. Welcome to DU!!!

[Jacobin]

14. Welcome to DU

We have a share of folks here who also are in favor of making abortion a crime.

Not my position, but then we don't all agree on everything.

:hi:

[Fuzz]

16. Follow the money

[myrna minx]

18. Welcome to DU. thomasj317.

:hi:

[PhilipShore]

28. Welcome thomasj317

[MissB]

34. Welcome to DU

Enjoy your stay.

[Raksha]

36. It's good to see you had sense enough to come in out of the rain.

Welcome to DU!!!

[RagingInMiami]

50. Besides the abortion issue

How else did Bush appeal to you?

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[RagingInMiami]

96. "on the family"?

Like family values? Wouldn't that basically begin at home?

I've had this conversation with a republican friend of mine who said he voted for Bush because of family values. He is married with two kids. They are good parents.

My friend just doesn't like his daughters to see all that grinding and sexuality on MTV. So he somehow believed that by voting for Bush over Kerry, well I don't know what he believes, but that is the example he gave me.

It seems to me that a democratic president would be better for the family, at least working and middle class families. If the war in Iraq and the aftermath of Katrina are any indicators, Bush has divided more families than any previous president.

There are still children from the Gulf Coast who have no idea whether their parents are dead or alive.

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[RagingInMiami]

102. Ah, so it's the gay thing

How did you feel in the aftermath of Katrina when all those people were stranded in the Superdome and Bush (who showed up four days later) was joking about his party days on Bourbon Street?

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[RagingInMiami]

110. Are you against gay marriage?

Is that one of the sole reasons you voted for Bush?

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[Left Is Write]

120. If not, the would you be willing to expand on your thoughts...

regarding "making marriage legal only for one man and one woman"?

Do you support a Constitutional amendment to that affect? If so, why do you support using the Constitution to abridge rights rather than grant them, particularly when that abridgement is done in a discriminatory manner?

[Left Is Write]

115. How would you define "real control in parents' hands"?

I am a parent. I have control over what my minor children watch on television. What could Bush do that I can't?

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[Ladyhawk]

100. Bush has never had your best interests in mind, so be confused no longer.

Bush does what's best for his pocketbook and the pocketbook of the ultra-rich. He doesn't care about abortion. He just used it as an issue to get you to follow him. Abortions increase when Republicans are in power. The Republicans don't care about that and they don't care enough to sanction corporations like Wal-Mart that support China. China, as you know, actually mandates abortion. The government and big corporations are one and the same now and they'll do whatever they need to do in order to make more money, including lie to you. Also, they don't give a rip what happens to a child AFTER it's born.

You have been deceived.

I voted for the bastard the first time and I am very repentant. Start thinking about what Bush has done? Has he outlawed abortion? Has he strengthened the economy and helped the poor so that fewer abortions would take place? Did he help poor people in New Orleans when Katrina struck? Did he care about our soldiers' lives when he sent them to Iraq on false pretenses? Think about all the lives lost under this administration. Think about WHY. Why did he not strengthen the economy? Why did he give tax cuts to the rich? Why did he not help the Katrina victims? Why did he send our soldiers to war on false pretenses? The answer in every case is this, my friend: $$$$$$$$$.

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[Ladyhawk]

129. Those justices have the same values Bush does.

If abortion is outlawed, abortions will still take place, my friend, but many will happen in back alleys in unsanitary conditions. These justices will advance right-wing politics, which favor the wealthy and corporations. More people will die for these corporations in the form of war. And these justices, like the five who appointed Bush to office, only care about the rich, about corporations. The right-wing judges are in bed with neocons like Bush. They really don't care about people.

After watching the Terri Schiavo fiasco, I came to this conclusion: Republicans only care about people before they're born and after they die. They don't care about you or me. They only care about the ultra-rich and keeping us enslaved. If abortion is outlawed under right-wingers, it won't promote life, my friend. The Republicans have cultivated a culture of death. We'll die from lack of medical coverage. We'll die in natural disasters and waiting for the government to come to our aid. We'll die undergoing back-alley abortions. We'll die from working longer hours for less pay. We'll die in wars that were started so fat-cat CEOs of corporations like Halliburton can make money.

These justices will promote the culture of death and hide behind the label of "pro-life" while doing so. They are whited sepulchres. You have been deceived. :(

I was deceived, but no longer. I see what's happening.

[Rhiannon12866]

134. Beautiful rant! Very well said. I agree with you 100%!

:woohoo::applause::patriot:

[Ladyhawk]

146. Thanks. I really hope some of the Republicans wake up

and help us. I was going to say "before it's too late," but sometimes I wonder if it's already too late. I won't give up, yet, though. I just need to recharge my batteries a bit, I think.

[Rhiannon12866]

148. I hope so, as well. From what I've seen today, their house of cards is

falling over the United Arab Emirates-port security issue. Whoever would have expected the likes of Frist and Hastert to disagree with Bush*, so completely and so publicly?! And Bush* may well be his own undoing, long past time, since he takes great pride in never backing down, on anything. And I don't think he's about to change, just because it's his own side who's opposing him this time, despite Harriet Miers.:-(

I thought it was already way too late, well before the last election. Carl Bernstein said then that it was not up to us to get rid of Bush*. He said this had to come from the Republicans, that they had to recognize what a liability Bush* was to them and dump him, as they dumped Nixon. But this latest dissension in the ranks gives me hope. And you may feel as if you need to recharge your batteries, but, if your previous rant is any indication, you're firing on all cylinders!:D

As for thomasj317, it's apparently too late for him. I don't quite get that. I read his posts and, though he obviously didn't agree with us, he wasn't a disruptor and seemed to me to have participated sincerely in a pretty productive discussion, remarkably friendly by DU standards. I regret that he's gone, since he may well have learned something here.:shrug:

[mikelewis]

136. Like Michael Brown advanced the cause for Emergency Preparedness....

Roberts and Alito don't care about the "cause of life". How long are you going to play the sucker before you realize what you're looking at?

Nothing these people do is in your best interest. No one they are associated with can be trusted. They care only about money and power. If you have neither, you have nothing. You are a drone and you don't even know it. "There are none so blind as those who will not see."


Welcome to DU. My guess is, your stay won't be long.

[immoderate]

133. Welcome to DU!

It's hard to imagine that people support any of his decisions, and sometime I hope you could explain what you were thinking. But I hope you are now satisfied that Bush is not good for anyone except his friends, and not even then if you consider that his policy is to destroy the planet.

Whatever, you have found a place with some pretty smart people who hold a variety of ideas and maybe you can pick them up or at least reveal the wisdom of those that you hold.

But welcome!:hi:

--IMM

[cascadiance]

140. You have to understand Bush's priorities... I'll leave aside abortion...

... for the moment. I have my own ideas on it too, but I'm not here to argue over that.

To understand what Bush is about, perhaps another issue to look at is our dependence on oil and how he is on environmentalism...

Consider the following facts that have happened through Bush's administration:

1) When he first took office in 2001, he cut by over half the budget for research of alternative energy sources like solar and wind power.
2) He sat by in 2001 and didn't have FERC do anything while Enron and other energy companies were doing a number on California and the western states exploiting the problematic energy trading environment that permitted them to scam these states for tons of money criminally (as subsequent investigations, tapes, etc. have shown more recently).
3) In his first few years in office after 9/11, he advocated tearing down barriers towards doing off-shore oil drilling off the California coastline as well as up in the protected parts of Alaska in ANWR. He was basically saying then that oil independence was more important than environmental concerns there publicly.
4) Shortly before his brother was up for election in Florida, he used Americans' taxpayer's money to buy up off-shore oil drilling leases off of Florida coastline to "protect the environment" there from off-shore oil drilling. There he was basically saing that environmental concerns were more important than being oil independent.
5) A few years ago, he came out with an alternative energy research program he was championing very heavily to the public, arguably to pick up votes from those who felt he wasn't concerned about alternative energy development. What he didn't emphasize to the public was that this program was only going to be instituted with funds that were to be obtained through legalizing oil drilling in ANWR. In short, if ANWR oil drilling wasn't allowed, this program was kaput.
6) In his latest SOTU speech, he was basically saying the same old words again about us being "addicted to oil", etc. and trying to emphasize alternative energy development, but even after the speech, others in the administration were saying that a lot of what he was saying wasn't reflected in reality and was just there to make his speech "sound good".

What is in common with all of these stances? Certainly not oil independence. Certainly not environmentalism. Certainly not emphasizing new energy sources. There are contradictions to each of these objectives in these facts above. What IS consistent is that all of these facts reflect some benefit to cronies if there are any meat them at all. ALL of them:

1) benefits oil company cronies without alternative energy competition.
2) benefits energy company exec cronies that don't want to be caught doing the illegal stuff they were doing that basically bankrupted California, and later bankrupted Enron.
3) benefits oil company cronies to give them more areas to drill oil.
4) benefits his brother getting towards getting re-elected governor.
5) benefits himself to get votes for falsely promising things he wasn't going to deliver on and benefits oil company cronies if they were to open up ANWR as the price of this program.
6) benefits himself to get votes for falesly promising things he wasn't going to deliver on.

Think about these things! And then think about all of the other issues that you side with him on (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) and are against him on ( the war, UAE ports, etc. ). They are ALL done to benefit cronies. ALLWAYS. In the case of gay marriage and abortion, those cronies are in effect people like you, who feel the need to enforce their values on everyone. He wants your financial support and money just like other he wants that from other cronies here.

He isn't about doing ANYTHING for what he perceives spiritually as the "greater good". It is PURELY for self-aggrandizement and those of his band of cronies that want to all consolidate power amongst themselves.

What we here at DU want is to help give more power to THE PEOPLE. We want things like public financing, not because we think that EVERYONE will want to vote the way we do, but we feel that when people are empowered properly with the right to vote, have an equal voice in affecting their politicians agendas, and have better access to education, information from a truly free press, etc. that we will all be better served by having a government that works from an informed consensus, rather than an elite that try to control everything. Many of us at times might not agree with that consensus, but I accept that if there are enough of them that are properly informed and empowered correctly that at times I can accept being in the minority on certain issues and that we're not going to lose that much from those times. That's what make me different than the CURRENT folks in charge of the Republican party.

When the Republican party can return to respecting the will of the majority (even though they might take contrary points of views at times), that's when they'll regain my respect as a party.

[951-Riverside]

7. People be nice

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[Jacobin]

17. I'm glad you came by to say that

I'm sincere in that statement.

Partisanship in matters of critical national security issues should be something we all avoid.

This is not a matter of parties. This is a matter of critical national security for all of us.

I would urge you though to google carlyle group and see the ties that Bush's father has with that group, their financing of these ports and their involvement with the Saudis including the Bin Laden family.

Mr. Bush is not doing this for the best interests of the country. I'm afraid he's doing it for cold hard personal gain for his family and their cronies.

That is worse that consensual sex with someone not your wife, IMHO

[RagingInMiami]

53. But what about the death of all those soldiers?

What about the death of innocent Iraqi civilians, whose only goal in life is just to live, eat and sleep and take care of their families?

Why would it take something like this for you to question Bush, but apparently you have no problem with the war?

And I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but I am very curious about "pro-life" people who agree with the war.

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[RagingInMiami]

97. Please explain how you view the war and the world

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107. So you had no problem with the US invading a country

that had never attacked us? You did not find it strange that one moment we're on the heels of Osama Bin Laden, and the next moment, we're talking about invading Iraq?

And in this spiritual battle, is it acceptable in the eyes of your God that we kill people if they are not Christian?

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[RagingInMiami]

128. I just never have a chance to talk to a Bush-supporter

Without the conversation turning into an argument. I appreciate the civility of our discussion.

My final question is: Why would Saddam move the WMDs to Syria instead of just using them against us as we attacked him? At that point, he had nothing to lose.

[moc]

126. I am also a faithful Roman Catholic, and I vote my faith. I vote Democrat

A "culture of life" does not stop when a baby is born. The immoral slashes to social programs serving the poor demonstrate to me the Republican party is NOT the party that supports the culture of life. You are familiar with the Beatitudes, are you not?

Furthermore, a "culture of life" does not support capital punishment.

The only way to prevent abortion is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Making abortion illegal will not do a whit to change the abortion rate.

Sorry, but the "faithful Roman Catholics only vote Republican" is one of my hot buttons.

Welcome!

:hi:

[meganmonkey]

15. What makes no sense is that

George and the Bush Family have had relationships with companies and governments in the Arab world for decades and no one noticed until now.

Welcome to DU!

Peace.

[bloom]

29. "Bush Family Fortunes - The Best Democracy Money Can Buy"

I was just re-watching it - 'cause it was on FSTV.

It speaks to a lot of this. Bath - with money from the Bin Ladens - sponsoring George W's oil ventures and such. Being all interconnected.

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[Jacobin]

20. Its a moneymaker for the Carlyle Group

in which Bush41 and some Saudi heavy hitters are invested.

I would suppose its a surprise to find that a president that you support is selling his country's security for a few sheckles, but I submit to you that his entire administration has been doing this to the tune of trillions for the past five years.

How many women put in jails for getting abortions will it take before people end support warmonger presidents on that basis alone?

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[Jacobin]

37. What's not rational about the idea that government officials

sometimes make policy decisions to feather their own nests?

If you reject that notion out of hand, before even looking at the Carlyle Group and its nefarious dealings, and its investors who are Saudis, then whats the point of having a discussion?

I'm amazed that this notion would be rejected out of hand as a potential cause. That is more of a result of cult thinking than rational thought. I do not understand someone who professes to be concerned about the security of this country believing that George Bush and his cabal have the best interests of this country at heart when anyone looks rationally at the last five years.

[Kierkegaard]

43. 5 years?

Hell, take most any 5 consecutive days over the last 5 years and you'll be hard pressed not to find something underhanded, dishonest or selfishly motivated. I'm amazed that there haven't been attempts to storm the castle...yet

[Buns_of_Fire]

46. Arrogant. Stubborn. Bullheaded. Intolerant of differing opinions.

Between his bubble and his handpicked crowds, I think he's actually bought his own PR. :shrug:

P.S. Welcome...

[meganmonkey]

54. It's almost always about money

Cheney's company, Halliburton, has made millions upon millions of dollars in the Iraq War. If we actually manage to get any control over the oil there, they and the Bush family stand to make millions more. Money isn't conspiracy, money is what greedy people want. And the Bushes and their cronies are greedy. There is no reason to think this deal isn't about money.

Remember, the simplest explanantion is usually the correct one. And money is as $imple as it gets.

Peace.

[LSK]

125. why wont you buy its for money?

EVERYTHING hes done has been for money. Why would this be different?

WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO KNOCK SOME SENSE INTO PEOPLE LIKE YOU?????? :banghead:

[jeffrey_X]

114. I keep hearing Carlyle, but I've yet...

to see a direct link that ties to two together.

Believe me...I'd love to see, but haven't as of yet.

[Midlodemocrat]

21. I, too, am a Roman Catholic

and I firmly believe that Jesus was a liberal and that all liberals are following the teachings of Christ even if they don't believe.

Please don't take offense at this, but why vote on one issue? Isn't the death toll in Iraq worse than the issue of abortion? To me, it is. Abortion is not something people take lightly, yet the republicans have painted us all as baby killers.

It is flat out wrong. The democratic party is the party of compassion, not the other way around.

And, welcome to DU!

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30. I didn't realize that I was speaking irrationally.

And, I didn't ask you about abortion per se, but the one issue thing. It still confuses me. I am not a fan of abortion, but what the republicans have done to this country in the name of religion is appalling. I practice the corporal works of mercy virtually every day, and I would venture to say that most republicans don't even know what that is.

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[Jacobin]

39. Do you think putting women in jail for getting abortions

will stop them?

If so, I don't think you are being rational.

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[Jacobin]

48. It didn't when it was illegal

Why do you think it would now?

BTW, I'm assuming you are not a woman.

[Iris]

111. save them for what?

More oil wars?

[stepnw1f]

47. My Mother Was Raped

Should she be forced to bear this unwanted child?

My girlfriend may die due to medical complications, should she die too?

And how is killing innocent Iraqi citizens, some being pregnant women, not judged as murder? Not to mention the war was started on lies?

How is one murder and the other killing?

So, it's only ok when our government orders us to kill, yet bad when a women takes control of their own body's? This is about CONTROL. And Bush has been out of control since he started in office in 2000.


I'm not mad at you, as much as I am confused and dissapointed. I know you didn't want to talk about this but, you yourself brought it up. Please reconsider before you give our government all our rights away.

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[Bake]

78. I beg to differ on the "intentional homicide" part

From a legal perspective, at least in civilian life, one is presumed to intend the reasonably foreseeable results of one's actions. That's why if a person acts recklessly and kills somebody, he/she can be charged with reckless homicide. Recklessness IS a culpable state of mind, i.e., intent.

And the Iraq fiasco/quagmire is DEFINITELY reckless.

Bake, Esq.

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[Bake]

106. No, that's not just my "view." That's the LAW.

Re-read my comments.

Bake

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[Iris]

113. Then why'd you bring it up?

[txindy]

124. Because it keeps people occupied responding to it.

Just a guess.

[stepnw1f]

139. tactic is used over and over

glad I could help flushing that one out. Thank God Cheney wasn't around.

[malaise]

52. And how many Iraqis has

Bushco murdered?

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[magellan]

127. ZERO? On the off chance you took the question too literally

...How many murdered Iraqis do you believe the Bush** Administration is responsible for? And I mean 'responsible for' the same way Hussein is 'responsible for' murdering many thousands of Shi'a, i.e. he didn't kill them himself but authorized the actions.

[demgurl]

57. Hi thomasj317 and welcome.

I think, a lot of this can be tied to abortion so just give me a minute or two. A lot of us, here, believe that * will say one thing only to do the complete opposite to what he says.

A good example of this would be how he purports to be a Christian man and yet he made good and sure that the death penalty was strong in Texas. He also passed a law that said if you do not have insurance or money to pay hospital bills then you will have so many days to find an alternate place to be treated and if you ( or your family) do not find one then your life support can be terminated. One of the most infamous victims of 's bill was a small baby. I believe his name was Sonny.

So on one hand we have a man who puts people to death and values money over life support but then we see when his agenda suits him such as with Terri Schiavo (same thing, she was on life support - why is the life of a baby,in Texas, worth less than a woman in Florida?) or with trying to win over Christians with the abortion issue.

If you do not believe he was using the Christian right to get votes then you only have to google 'Abramoff' and 'wacko' to find that the right was figuring out ways to get to the wacko religious people and get them out to vote for Republican candidates. This is information that is not theory but has been entered into the record in our judicial system.

What does this all have to do with the ports? Well this shows a history of his lying and saying what needs to be said in situations where it needs to be said. It shows he does not care what he says and that he lies. The abortion issue shows his character or lack thereof.

* has come across as being tough on terrorists and we will not tolerate ANYONE supporting terrorists but now he threatens to veto any bill posing a threat to this sale. This sale is to one of the few countries that recognize the Taliban. The sale is to a country where at least a partial amount of the 9/11 funding originated.

We, on the left, have heard this man lie time and time again. (another unchristian thing to do) and it does not surprise me that he has lied about protecting the nation from terrorist attacks.

What is he thinking? If he is following the same pattern he always has then he is thinking of lining his pockets. No mystery or conspiracy here.

I am glad you came here, welcome to our board.

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[Bake]

80. To what "other key cultural issues" are you referring?

I'm smelling Kool-Aid ...

Bake

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[redwitch]

95. May I ask how you feel about birth control?

And the death penalty?

Cafeteria Catholic here. I support a woman's right to choose to end an unwanted pregnancy.

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[redwitch]

108. We don't need the death penalty? Or it's wrong?

There are abortive elements in birth control pills?

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[Gato Moteado]

84. you're the one that needs to speak rationally....

sorry, no disrespect, but you're flat out nuts.

termination of a pregnancy is murder? innocent civilians getting blown to bits by bombs is not murder?

sorry, you're off your rocker.

i'll unapoligetically repeat my earlier statement: bush voters are human garbage.

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137. ah....another fake christian...tombstoned

nt

[Iris]

109. You've got to be kidding. Killing live people is nothing?

I suppose the death penalty - the state taking the life of a human being - is nothing to you as well.

[Libby2]

22. Welcome to DU

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[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. He's the same man that moved to the White House on 2001.

Nothing matters to him except for what's "good" for business.

[bloom]

32. There might a lot of things that you assume

are "just" theories. When there is actually a lot of evidence to back up.

Like the stealing of the elections.

Which would also explain why Bush* could do something like this - if they can just steal elections at will - what's the difference? They can do whatever they want - whatever will line their pockets now and in the future.


If you get FSTV - you might want to catch ""Bush Family Fortunes - The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" or other similar shows.

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[Jacobin]

40. Funny thing about rich people and money

They never think they have enough.

And they compare their rankings on the Fortune 500 as a sport and will rob, murder and steal to make another million.

That is common knowledge.

[bloom]

45. Money, power...

I don't discount the Bilderberg group being involved and who knows what.

Seems like anyone involved in the "New World Order" ought to be able to retire to an island somewhere and be waited on by people - but unfortunately they don't seem to want to do that. Apparently it wouldn't suit their egos. Or maybe they would be afraid of someone else getting power and taking all their money away. :shrug:

[Raksha]

38. If you think Bush actually cares about the unborn,

or about any other pro-life issue (for example, the death penalty) you are sadly mistaken. He merely uses the Religious Right and pro-life groups to push through his REAL agenda, i.e. selling America to the highest bidder. As you can see, critical security issues like port security are no exception.

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[bloom]

49. I think you have been played

"Mobilization - We plan to use three forms of communications to mobilize and win these battles. Phones, mail and Christian radio...Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them. The wackos get their information form (sic) the Christian right, Christian radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees".

Michael Scanlon

- Jack Abramoff's partner and an aide to Delay


Christians have been used to further Republican corrupt practices - they said so themselves.

http://www.indian.senate.gov/2005hrgs/110205hrg/110205exhibits.pdf

[Jacobin]

51. No doubt it will allow some states to make it illegal

No doubt women will die from coathangers, the wealthy will get a D&C from their OBGYNs for 'medical reasons', other wealthy will travel to Canada, and some will die because they are too young to have children.

Why not be concerned about people including children who are outside the womb? This administration has raked them over the coals.

If you don't believe in abortions, don't get one. Its unamerican to try to control what women do with their bodies.....it IS their bodies you know.

Do you think abortion was illegal when this country was founded?

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[MissB]

62. Nope. It is still her body.

And she still has control over it.

From your few posts, you seem to be pro-fetus, not pro-life.

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[MissB]

66. Roe v Wade is still the law of the land.

And I'm sure that chaps your ass.

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[MissB]

71. Mighty progessive of you.

I think the Bush administration would need one more Supreme Court justice to make your wet-dream control of women complete.

Good luck with that.

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[MissB]

76. I suppose if you frame a poll "should women murder their babies?"

you'll get a 51 to 68% result. :rofl:

But if you frame the question in a way that doesn't involve images of women suffocating their cute little babies with pillows, you'll find far different results.

I get that you are a true believer that women shouldn't have control over their own bodies. :hi:

[Iris]

117. C'mon, missb. This Is DU!!!! We're all for murdering babies!

:sarcasm:

[MissB]

119. Damn, I forgot.

[scorpiogirl]

131. You cannot consider yourself pro-life if you think it's

ok to murder (yes murder) innocent civilians in Iraq.

[Rainscents]

56. Bush didn't do that, it was extreme prolife who told Bush to do it.

That wasn't Bush's choice! Bush is puppet to anyone who has MONEY! He does NOT give a crap about you, me abortion, poor, sick people, school, disable, children's, environments, clean water, animals, and seniors! I think you got picture!

BTW; Bush had his girlfriend aborted his baby!

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[Rainscents]

70. Looks like, your head is still up high in Bush's ass!

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[MissB]

73. Aw don't worry.

Most of your responses seem to fit that category as well.

[immoderate]

135. What good is it to save babies and destroy the planet?

You might be a nice guy, but at the same time I think you need a sanity check.

With all due respect.

--IMM

[warrens]

31. Remember, if they wake up, they get purged

I smell another RimJob purge a-comin. He kicked out anyone who opposed the war, anyone who supported McCain during the primaries, and a bunch more for obscure infighting over who was stealing money from whom. This looks like another one coming. If their tongues ain't purple enough from the Kook-Aid, out they go.

[Raksha]

42. Let him purge if he's that stupid.

Re >>I smell another RimJob purge a-comin. He kicked out anyone who opposed the war, anyone who supported McCain during the primaries, and a bunch more for obscure infighting over who was stealing money from whom.<<

There won't be anyone left in Freeperland after he gets done purging the dissidents. I've read some of their posts, and most of the Freepers don't like this Dubai thing any more than we do.

[Ksec]

59. Give em a few days

Theyll be baptised in bushspeak by then.

[ShortnFiery]

79. Exactly!

The Earls and May-Ellas of the USA will be eating from hand to mouth BUT hot damn! Those evil whores won't be able to have abortions and horrid gays will NOT marry and adopt our dear white baby children. :sarcasm:

Somehow, although the right wing working class will LOSE everything, refusing both Women and Gay Americans their BASIC civil rights is somehow ---> WORTH IT?!?

[Initech]

60. It's stunning to think there are people that stupid.

It's sad that it had to come to our ports being sold to the UAE, but the fact that there are people stupid enough to think that you shouldnt question our leaders no matter how much evil shit they're able to get away with makes my head explode.

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[MissB]

68. Yeah. I'm sure that greed sways many of them.

Not surprising, mind you.

[Initech]

144. Exactly. Primary objective = $$$$$$$$$$

And in Dubai, it's tax free, too!

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[MissB]

77. We didn't all spontaneously sneeze.

:hi:

You posted this as a response to the OP. If you stick around long enough, you'll get used to the board format. It is quite different than freeper message boards in format.

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[MissB]

82. I sense that you'll eventually

figure it out.

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[Iris]

138. finally.

:eyes:

[Catrina]

141. Hi Thomas, I think Bush had no choice in this decision. It was made

for him, and he doesn't really work for the American people, imo.

I am only guessing, and it's probably way worse than we know, but I think that groups like the Carlyle Group, The Bildebergers, and as you pointed out in a previous post, the New World Order crowd, have gained more and more control in the world, and I'm wondering if anyone in this country can even think of becoming president, without their approval.

If you haven't read about the neocon ideology, their plans for the world you might find it interesting to do so. But sometimes I think that even they are not the real power behind what is going on.

I suppose I'm saying that Bush is merely a puppet and he is doing as he was told in this instance. In return, for all the heat a president may take from both sides, he will be rewarded once his term of office is over ~ as will his family ~

What I'm not sure of is how much he actually knows, or deliberately avoids knowing, and how often he is allowed to make his own decisions.

But this port debacle was planned and executed as far as we know, without Congress' knowledge, and I wonder how much he knew about it?

Btw, I am a Catholic also~ I don't judge other people, I'm too busy trying to do the right thing myself. Jesus never mentioned abortion ~ but he did talk most angrily about hypocrisy ~ I think were he here today, he would be very angry at the hypocrites now in power. They are not Christians.

We'll have to agree to differ on the definition of what killing is, also. 'Thou shalt not kill' it's pretty clear to me. I know, even those words have been 'interpreted' to mean something else, I take God at his word ~ wars, the death penalty ~ a little Iraqi baby, blown to bits in Iraq is murder, imo. Especially since the war was for profit and power and nothing else.

Anyway, that's just my opinion, you are entitled to yours ~ and I hope we remain a country where we can each have an opinion without worrying that it will be a crime someday ~ welcome to DU :hi:

[Iris]

121. There's no abortion litmus test here.

We have plenty of folks around here who don't believe in abortion.

But here's the thing - YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

[Walt Starr]

86. Best one of the bunch

To: JustTheTruth
Bush said that protesting lawmakers should understand his approval of the deal was final.
He will be impeached.


20 posted on 02/21/2006 3:03:19 PM PST by harrowup (Fire Snow, Sanborn Chertoff et al or IMPEACH BUSH)
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[Walt Starr]

89. OOPS, I was wrong, this one is better

To: harrowup
He will be impeached.

Over this kind of issue he deserves to be impeached. Apparently he forgets that this is supposed to be a democratic republic. Either, he makes his case, or he accepts the decision of the people.

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[MissB]

92. I'll take about 10,000 more, please.

[meganmonkey]

142. Funny that this is what put them over the top

Not the lies, cheating, war crimes and profiteering...maybe some of it is starting to sink in.

It's good to see you posting, Walt :hi:

[MissB]

90. I'll toast to that.

:toast:

[Auntie Bush]

93. "Bush knows what he's doing" or "Bush knows better than we do".

Then why are we in a quagmire in Iraq and why does most everyone in the world hate us and why are our children already over there heads in debt? :shrug:

[SillyGoose]

104. Talking points came from Mary Matalin on Hannity's show this

afternoon. I listened in for a few minutes while running errands to see what Hannity was saying about it. Hannity was "befuddled" and upset about this whole thing but Matalin kept saying she didn't have any info about the ports deal but that she trusts Junior. Freeps are like well-trained parrots.

:puke:

[ShortnFiery]

132. Yeah, so there ...

Is that a pledge pin on your uniform?!? (How dare you cross MY EXECUTIVE and UNILATERAL Authority!)

Holy shit! Our country is being run by Animal House's Nedemyer.

:puke:

[Pacifist Patriot]

143. Rats! I always miss the good stuff. Busy day so all I see is a ...

thread filled with "deleted." This must have really stuck in their craw.

[Sydnie]

145. Me too

I hate it when I can't play with it before it gets "disappeared".

[Rhiannon12866]

147. I read this thread much earlier and don't quite get what happened.

This guy may not have agreed with us, was certainly a Freeper, but he was not disruptive, participated productively in the discussion and explained his views. There was no rancor, just a pretty decent discussion, as you can tell by the numerous replies to him. It was remarkably friendly, by DU standards. But when I came back, all traces of him were gone, and he'd already signed off by the first time I checked out this thread. This is too bad, IMHO, since he seemed pretty sincere, and may have learned something here.:shrug:

[RagingInMiami]

150. I have to admit

That was the most civil conversation I've ever had with a right-winger.

[Rhiannon12866]

152. I agree. I read the whole thing.

He was not only civil, but seemed sincere and forthcoming, to me, something that none of us would ever be able to get away with if we posted on FR. He was neither argumentative nor disruptive, but seemed to be trying to understand out views, and vice versa. I'd like to think that we liberals are more open to dialogue with the opposition than the Freepers, and this was a good example of it, but he's gone...:shrug:

[JugDack]

151. Yeah, I don't get it.

I think we could all use a better understanding of what makes conservatives tick. We only hurt ourselves by getting rid of this guy.

I wonder if he got out of line on some other thread and got pulled from everything, including this one where he wasn't out of line, as far as I can tell?

[Rhiannon12866]

153. I agree. This guy seemed quite willing to try to explain himself.

And I was pleased to see my fellow DUers not only engaging in a productive dialogue with him, letting him have his say and explaining the reasons we think he's wrong, point by point, but also remaining civil and welcoming the guy. It's possible he got out of line elsewhere, but he signed off for the night on this thread, and I saw only friendly conversation here.:shrug: