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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:25 PM
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Wrong Focus on UAE deal
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 06:29 PM by TruthStream_dot_org
I think the democrats have the wrong focus in this AUE Ports deal thing.

Turn the tables on this dirty rascal. He wants to know whats the difference between a Brittish company and a UAE comany managiing the ports - that is a double standard. The issue shouldnt be that its an arab country or even one that has ties to terrorists - it is the fact that no one knew about the brittish campany EITHER. The fact is, this is another case of OUTSOURCING by this administration - jobs that should go to Americans and American firms. These aren't low pay contracts - these are Port Management contracts that MANY companies across the US would love to have. Instead we use a SECRET committee that approves a shady deal with a foriegn company/government.
Personally, I dont want our ports outsourced to AUE, England or any other country, KEEP THE JOBS HERE!!!!
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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:31 PM
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1. kicking
kicking my own thread since the board is so busy
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:35 PM
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2. Kick,Good point.n/t
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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:37 PM
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6. thanks
plus like I said in another post, it keeps us away from the 'You are just anti-arab' bullshit.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:36 PM
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3. Exactamundo n/t
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TennesseeRain Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:36 PM
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4. My understanding is that it is the difference between a
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 07:19 PM by TennesseeRain
Briitsh based company and a company OWNED by the government of the UAE. That, to me, is cause for great concern.
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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:38 PM
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7. true...
...but again, they will turn it into 'you are just arab haters' - remember you are dealing with Rove.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:48 PM
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19. Maybe Bush would change his mind if someone told him a company
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 09:49 PM by dflprincess
owned by a government is SOCIALISM (That ought to scare him.)
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:36 PM
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5. I agree. This should be our focus.
We should be in charge of our OWN ports. Outsourcing our security to any OTHER nation should not be tolerated. Democrats need to push this point instead of lowering our standards by singling out the Arabs and perpetuating this ugly xenophobic atmosphere.
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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:38 PM
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9. amen n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:44 PM
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17. Agree too, not ONLY for us and control of our jobs here...
but for security as well. And it isn't just a question of whether it is an Arab country or not. We should still have strict control by our government of policies, procedures, etc. of what comes into our ports. And even if it is an American company that had this contract, that American company should STILL have strict regulations regarding how it should control what goes through these ports. By having it be an American company, we do have more control over them in terms of our taxes, regulations, laws, etc. through our government.

Unfortunately we have a government now that isn't concerned about governance and the welfare of this country, and is more concerned about doing favors for cronies, no matter who they are and what their motives are.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:38 PM
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8. The real issues should come out about conflict of interest among all
the Bushbots. The UAE will just be another way to funnel money to Carlyle and Halliburton.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:40 PM
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10. I think people were just as outraged to find out a British co owned us
we just didn't know.

NOW WE KNOW--AND WE THINK IT SUX
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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:06 PM
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14. yes, that is what the admin hates most
the fact that WE FOUND OUT! (Thanks Lou)..It is SOP to keep things like this out of the American People's business so that we dont do exactly what we are doing - REVOLTING
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:46 PM
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11. only one problem, so far, that I know of, cause I have no knowledge of the
details:

no company in the WORLD has bid on this, let alone an American company

are there any American companies capable of such an enterprise

Halliburton, maybe? KBR?

it's going to be interesting, now that this secretive body that sanctions such actions is having its very credibility looked into. Lou Dobbs said that the GAO considers them to be totally feckless, and has made many many decisions that are not in the national interest

surprised?
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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:05 PM
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13. nope...
secret government in action finally being exposed...u think this CFIUS is just an arm of the CFR?
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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:56 PM
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12. Recommended...
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:21 PM
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15. What's the difference? 9-11.

The British company was already there prior to 9-11.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:41 PM
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16. It was a bidding war between Singapore and Dubai corporations
And shareholders made out like bandits.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=am4I_txvJ3rU&refer=home

P&O Agrees to Singapore Acquisition, Dropping Dubai (Update5)
Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co., Britain's largest port operator, agreed to be acquired by Singapore's biggest port company for 3.55 billion pounds ($6.3 billion), rejecting a lower offer from Dubai.

PSA International Pte, owned by Singapore's state investment company Temasek Holdings Pte, bid 470 pence for each share, London- based P&O said in a statement. DP World, the port operator owned by Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, offered 443 pence on Nov. 29.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.polondon28jan28,1,7770185.story?coll=bal-business-headlines

City port operator prefers new suitor
Associated Press
Originally published January 28, 2006
LONDON // British port operator Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., which runs Baltimore's public terminals, switched prospective suitors for the second time after Dubai Ports World raised its offer for the company to almost $7 billion, trumping an offer from Singapore's PSA International Ltd.

News of the bidding war sent P&O's shares up almost 5 percent yesterday.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:36 PM
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18. I'm not certain this is a case of outsourcing. Reports say same workers
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 09:38 PM by Wordie
will keep their jobs. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the following, but it says the union workers will keep their jobs:
Arab Port Deal Distorted for Political Gain
by William Hughes Monday, Feb. 20, 2006 at 9:43 AM
liamhughes@comcast.net

...At a silly press conference, on Feb. 18, 2006, held at a waterfront site, next to blocks of ultra-luxurious condos, O’Malley, a Democratic candidate for governor of Maryland, ranted away to the TV cameras, about how it is “outrageous and irresponsible to turn over a port to any foreign government.” One of his political cronies, the pro-Iraqi War congressman, Rep. C.A. “Dutch” Ruppersberger (D-MD), was also present. According to the Baltimore Sun, O’Malley accused the UAE of being a “key transfer point for nuclear components on their way to North Korea, Libya and Iran.” (1) To his credit, O’Malley didn’t blast the UAE for hiding Osama bin Laden, preparing to launch WMD at the U.S., or causing the Baltimore Ravens' NFL team to miserably flop again last year.

Here's the crux of the problem: O’Malley doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about! Period! He also made a reference to the War of 1812-1814, and how the city had successfully defended itself against the British invasion and that somehow this proposed contract fits into that historic happening. That, too, is pure baloney! What O’Malley didn’t reveal at the press conference was that the organization presently in charge of much of the stevedoring operations in Baltimore is - a British-based, privately owned outfit - Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company, (P&O). It has been supervising “container cargo operations at the publicly owned Seagirt and Dundalk marine terminals” for the last few years. (1) This essential fact didn’t seem to bother O’Malley’s fragile psyche. Now, however, since, the P&O has recently been purchased by Dubai Ports World for $6.8 billion, he has chosen to go over the proverbial edge and use the incident to make a cheap political point or two. I hope the voters will see though this ploy.

The critical point is that Dubai Ports World won't be running the port of Baltimore, or any other U.S. port for that matter. What it would be doing, as ex-Rep. Helen Delich Bentley (R-MD), a respected expert on Maritime matters, explained in a Feb. 18th letter, to the “Baltimore Sun,” is hiring the longshoremen to load and unload the cargo from the vessels. The Maryland Port Authority, an agency of the state, she underscored, would continue to “run the port of Baltimore’s public terminals and be the spokesman for the port in general.” Bentley added that this transaction only means that the “UAE’s Dubai Ports World will be the firm bidding competitively for contracts to handle cargo coming off or loading on to ships in the six ports where P&O Ports has contracts. Baltimore is one of those ports.” (2)

It is also important to emphasize that the vast majority of the cargo handling in the six U.S. ports mentioned above is done by union labor, who are locally based workers. They are card carrying members of the International Longshorman's Association (AFL-CIO), which is headquartered in New York City. This is the same union, (Local 829 ILA), that this writer belonged to, in Baltimore, back in the late 1950s. The idea that the longshoremen will somehow not be able to do the same kind of highly professional stevedoring work for Dubai, which they did for the P&O company, and other stevedoring companies before them, just doesn't fly. For the ILA member, it will be just another day's work on the docks, irrespective of who's doing the hiring.


http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/1724847.php

I realize this article is critical of a Dem, but that's not the point of my posting it. The thing is, can we be sure that this deal will hurt US union workers? I've run across other reports that say that it won't as well.

Personally, I'm still on the fence about the deal, but I do think there may be an awful lot of misinformation floating around, which needs to be throughly researched before conclusions can reasonably be drawn.

I must say that I really do appreciate your good sense in wishing to get the focus off the arab UAE, and your recognition of the double standard being applied. Perhaps an even better focus and question to raise would be whether we should let contracts for critical infrastructure projects to any foreign government at all!
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:09 PM
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20. The difference is that the British gov't does not do business
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 10:13 PM by Charlie Brown
WITH F****** TERRORISTS.

On edit: Incidentally, I don't like the idea of any "company," foreign or domestic, handling our ports. With all the corruption and unaccountability of these firms in the mix, you know it's a disaster waiting to happen.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:18 PM
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22. Tony Blair happens to be a very good friend of Bush
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:14 PM
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21. That is exactly right. This is about the sale of a foreign company and
the ramification of that sale. As I stated earlier, the other possible buyer for P&O was a Singapore Company call PSA which has ties to China. Either way, its a bad deal but that is what you get when you outsource things like this.

MZr7
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 05:39 PM
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23. OUTSOURCING is less sexy politicaly than SECURITY
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 05:40 PM by iconoclastNYC
The focus needs to be that this is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE

Our vital national infrastructure should not be owned by a foreign government with ties to 9/11.
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