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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:05 PM
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Russia tries to save Iran from USA's military attack
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/kremlin/21-02-2006/76277-Iran-0

The first round of Russian-Iranian negotiations about the establishment of a uranium-enrichment joint venture has finished in Moscow. The meeting between Russian and Iranian officials (Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister of Russia, Sergei Kislyakov, Deputy Secretary of the Security Council Valentin Sobolev and Deputy Secretary of the National Security Council of Iran, Sayed Ali Hosseinitash) took place behind closed doors.





Russian Minister for Foreign Affairs Sergei Lavrov stated prior to the start of the talks in Moscow that Russia was holding restricted expectations towards the forthcoming talks. “Russia will try to use the thesis about the respect of Iran’s right for the nuclear fuel cycle after IAEA experts clarify all points that they had in the past pertaining to the Iranian nuclear program,” the minister said.

When the meeting in Moscow was over, the press service of the Russian Security Council released a very short statement: “The talks will be continued.”

As Sergei Lavrov was summing up the results of the meeting, the minister said that Russia continued to insist on the observation of the uranium-enrichment moratorium in Iran. Russian officials also emphasized that the nuclear problem should be solved within the framework of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

As a matter of fact, the long-expected negotiations in Moscow were held in the form when Russia and Iran simply explained their positions to each other. Things have been left right where they started. Yevgeny Satanovsky, the Director of the Middle East Institute, said that the talks with the Iranian delegation in Moscow demonstrated the Islamic country's final stance on the nuclear problem to the whole world. “Tehran does not intend to avoid the attack. It is ready for an armed conflict,” the specialist said when the results of the futile negotiations were exposed
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I have to give russia credit they are trying to prevent the war...
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:10 PM
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1. I would be a bit leery of Pravda's take on things, as well
In fact, it appears to me that Pravda has generally reverted back to it's old ways as Russia, too, undergoes it's shift (much shorter than our journey) to BushPutinist Tyranny, whatever the final phases will be both here and in Russia.

Anyway, my point is that this Pravda article is as slanted as Fox "News".

I call bullshit. Oh, the basic elements of the story are there, but it's been Prudenized, Foxified, Soviet-style (which is now nearly indistinguishable from Amerikan style).
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:11 PM
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2. they really don't want WWIII on their door step
and neither would I, if I were a Russian leader. Besides, they really would like a deal on Iranian oil.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:59 PM
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3. It's beyond me to understand how an invasion or bombing of Iran can be
justified, if that even matters any more. They have not invaded anyone. They have not bombed anyone. They are a sovereign nation, and and sovereign nations have the right to make treaties or not make treaties, on nuclear issues as well as all others. They have been accused on breaking a treaty they signed not to develop nuclear weapons. Well, they have the right to break treaties, do they not? I repeat, they are a SOVEREIGN nation, which has the right to act in its own interests, and to protect itself.

And I cannot help but see the contrast to the Bush junta, which HAS bombed another country without any justification, has slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent people and tortured many more, and is now occupying that country against the will of the majority, and has broken numerous treaties, agreements and laws, including the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations Charter.

Who deserves to be bombed and invaded?

Who has the hothead government, that cannot be trusted by the international community? Who has been saber rattling and issuing threats against Iran, Syria, Venezuela and North Korea?

Iran also has some blowhard leaders, who have been especially vituperative about Israel--who, it needs to be pointed out, was complicit with the U.S. in the destruction of Iran's democracy in 1953, and the installation of the horrible, torture-loving Shah, who terrorized Iranians for 25 years, something that Iranians have not forgotten, although it may have been a tiny blip in the news here. We and Israel DESTROYED their democracy and their greatest democratic leader, and colluded in their oppression for TWENTY-FIVE YEARS, and literally drove the population of Iran into the arms of the mullahs. They have good reason not to trust us, and good reason to be fearful of Israel's intentions, whom everyone knows has nuclear weapons.

And they are to be bombed and/or invaded by the Bush junta, for some intemperate language and for developing weapons to protect themselves with--which they have every right to do?

Are wars to be started and tens of thousands of people to be slaughtered now, on a whim? Because Israel has let itself become a paranoid, armed, medieval fortress, and doesn't like Iran's rhetoric, and wants to be the only big nuke honcho in the neighborhood?

Frankly, I believe that the Bush junta and Israel are far more dangerous to world peace than any other country, bar none, both because of their actions--the U.S. bombing, invading and occupying Iraq, and Israel violating numerous UN resolutions and stealing Palestinian land, and shoving the Palestinians around--and because of their military capabilities which are the biggest and scariest on earth. The Bush junta is without any "balance of power" controls. They can do as they like, in the face of overwhelming opposition to their war of aggression in Iraq among Americans, because they control the election system. As for Israel, I don't think it wants a nuclear war that would poison its own region, and could smother all life on earth. Read Carl Sagan's "The Cold and the Dark," which describes the impacts to our atmosphere of even a limited nuclear exchange. The Israelis are at least smart--which can't be said for the Bush junta--and have probably read Sagan's book. But they are nevertheless egging the Bush junta on, in the complete illusion that the Bush junta brings them safety. And both governments are in the thrall of arms dealers and war profiteers.

And all three of these foolish, macho-male governments are risking a holocaust, by their enthrallment with weaponry and aggression.

But I repeat: Who has Iran invaded? Who has Iran bombed? What is Iran's offense--how did it LOSE its sovereignty? On what basis? And how does ITS behavior compare to those who are threatening it with massive force?

Because I don't get it. Why aren't the U.S. and Israel instead APOLOGIZING to the Iranian people?

Russia is not much better--with its horrors in Chechnya (which has been fighting for its independence for over 300 years--this is nothing new or particularly jihadic--they fought the Tsars, and they fought Ivan the Terrible, and those before him). At least Russia is not saber-rattling and is trying to make peace, with Iran anyway. And there is a lot going on here that doesn't meet the eye--for instance, Iran's pending opening of an oil bourse, traded in euros, with China as their first trading partner. (Chechnya also has oil, by the way.)

All that we can hope for is that the wise and the good people of the world prevail--or at least that sufficient strategic and political interests come into play, to prevent yet another illegal, unconstitutional, pre-emptive war by Bush, the consequences of which are likely to be far, far graver than even his murderous, thieving invasion and occupation of Iraq.







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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:04 AM
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4. This excerpt from your post haunts me regularly;
"And I cannot help but see the contrast to the Bush junta, which HAS bombed another country without any justification, has slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent people and tortured many more, and is now occupying that country against the will of the majority, and has broken numerous treaties, agreements and laws, including the Geneva Conventions and the United Nations Charter."
A great post, btw, one of my all time favorites I think.

One thing that puzzles me is the way closeness and business realtionship with the Saudis, and the support for/and from Israel.
Pragmatism? I don't see how it is something that would be accepted on the hot streets of the ME.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:50 AM
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5. does that mean we'll next be treated to a round of re-naming ?
russian salad dressing will become 'liberty dressing'?
muscovy duck will become 'cheney quail' ?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:09 AM
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6. it's a waste of time, we will just make something up like we did with Iraq
and test our bunker busting nukes..
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