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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:55 AM
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Neocon architect says: 'Pull it down'
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006

(via Rawstory www.rawstory.com)

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NEOCONSERVATISM has failed the United States and needs to be replaced by a more realistic foreign policy agenda, according to one of its prime architects.

Francis Fukuyama, who wrote the best-selling book The End of History and was a member of the neoconservative project, now says that, both as a political symbol and a body of thought, it has "evolved into something I can no longer support". He says it should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited ideologies.
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Mr Fukuyama once supported regime change in Iraq and was a signatory to a 1998 letter sent by the Project for a New American Century to the then president, Bill Clinton, urging the US to step up its efforts to remove Saddam Hussein from power. It was also signed by neoconservative intellectuals, such as Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan, and political figures Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and the current defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

However, Mr Fukuyama now thinks the war in Iraq is the wrong sort of war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

Well, isn't this special??!
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castiron Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:57 AM
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1. Mr. Fuckyourmamma
and all his ilk, retracting and reforming. Watch them retract and reform, backpeddle and get all thoughtful.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:00 AM
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4. Mr. Fuckyourmamma!
bbbbbwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaa :ROFLMAO:
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castiron Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:22 AM
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12. tee hee
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:45 AM
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18. tee hee Mr. Fuckyourmamma......
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:36 AM
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15. Better that than keep going forward
I'll take all the second thoughts we can get, personally. I don't hold grudges.

Not everyone is as exquisitely aware and highly intelligent as WE are, you know!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:58 AM
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2. very special
probably outlined in a new book, no doubt.
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castiron Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:23 AM
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13. New book title: "The End of History: Psyyyych!"
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:58 AM
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3. That's what happens when a movement is adopted by a
bunch of greedy sociopathological thugs. It's the old 'lie down with dogs...' thingy.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:33 AM
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21. Bush & Cheney could care less about the geopolitics of neocon'ism
They are in it for the money.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:00 AM
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5. There's a special place in hell for people like you ...
cry me a river asshole.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:02 AM
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6. How about writing 2276 letters...
Explaining that failed policy to Mom's like Cindy, you Ass. A doofus like me could (& would) have told you (for free) that it wouldn't work & before you killed all those kids, too!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:03 AM
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7. Gee, Mr Fukuyama, I coulda told you that.
So, with all your thoughtfulness, education, philosophical musings, reading and world observation, it turns out that you finally agree with the MILLIONS of other people who were screaming since day ONE about neoconservatism being the big step toward WWIII. And now we're at the doorstep. You think this absolves you of guilt? No F'ing way.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:07 AM
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8. It boggles my mind that he expected any other outcome from the
neocon philosophy. What did he think would happen? :shrug:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:15 AM
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9. well, some are really quite sure that 'trickle-down' actually worked
so... nothing really surprises me.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:19 AM
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10. I say lighten up
It's not like these guys are responsible for the global thermonuclear destruction of every living thing on this planet or anything.

If their philosophy resulted in something that destructive, then we'd all really have a beef with them.

What they screwed up will only take a few measly generations to fix. No biggie.

-85%
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:27 AM
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20. Problem is, a few generations is a long time for us, especially now
that things have gotten so destabilized. They've made the world a more dangerous place.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:20 AM
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11. We should not be using the world stage for social experimentalism
isn't that what the conservatives and their ilk always said about Johnson and his Great Society ideals? Somehow, I think their brand of sociology is a tad more dangerous. :eyes:

Moran.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:37 AM
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17. nice point! n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:28 AM
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14. Fuk u yama...
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 08:29 AM by HypnoToad
:rofl:

Please forgive me, I couldn't resist the crudity... maybe I watch too much FOX. Now when Rupert Murdoch does something about his complaining that TV is too crude (such as revamping his own broadcast network that airs some really nasty stuff), I'll change my tune too. :)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:36 AM
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16. I'd like to believe the PNACers are just stupid or naive BUUUTT,...
,...they profiteered off the whole damn scheme,...are still profiteering. They've destabilized the world and WE ARE BLAMED AND HATED for that destabilization. We will pay for the PNACers' arrogance and greed.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:14 AM
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19. It's a little late for a change of heart, isn't it? The damage is done.
Thanks anyway, you ASSHOLE rat bastard!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:40 AM
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22. Showers of flowers--
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 10:42 AM by Skidmore
This bunch of imperialists actually believed that they could waltz the military into nations that had suffered greatly because of imperialism and colonialism for sometimes centuries, and be greeted with flowers and sweets as liberators. How naive can you get? It is not just the wrong sort of war, in the wrong place, and at the wrong time, it is a wrong-headed philosophy.

By the way, how does he propose to derail their little project? And might I remind him that this "project" was foisted onto the nation through deception and trickery.
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