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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:38 PM
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Dubai Ports row breeds bad feeling among Arab businesses
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/15ca7342-a6f1-11da-b12c-0000779e2340.html

Among top Arab businessmen, many of whom are US-educated, there is a strong sense that the backlash among Congressmen and Senators against the deal has been fuelled more by racism than by security concerns.

That sentiment is the more acute because Dubai, which owns the company, has gone out of its way to project an image as a pragmatic, pro-Western and free market exception in a region often bristling with hostility to America.


Whoa! And who paid for their education? The US...

And the image of which they speak is just an image. The latest buzz is, the UAE's methodology is socialist. But there's something that hasn't yet been said (to my knowledge...)

“I am appealing to the key American opinion leaders not to send the wrong message to the people of the UAE who have always stood beside the American people,” he said.

(SNIP)

The controversy in the US has reverberated well beyond the United Arab Emirates.

“We are talking about the general sentiment the US has with doing business with us. That is what is worrisome,” said a top Saudi banker. “This is no way to treat your allies and business partners. They are just alienating those few friends they have in the region.”


Oooooooooooooooh. Well, when it comes to national security, nothing should be offshored. The fact the UK had done so prior to selling out was just as wrong - because it leads to issues like the one we're in now. :dunce:

This isn't about alienating anyone. It's not even about business. It's about common sense.

Now if the UAE wants America to run its ports, now's a good time for them to speak up about how they wouldn't get angry if the situation was reversed - and then prove it by actually doing so.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:49 PM
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1. And who paid for the ELECTION of the seven member's of UAE's
"Supreme Council?" Oh, wait....they WEREN'T ELECTED!!!!! There's NO DEMOCRACY in that country!!! No political parties, no elections!!!!!! It's ruled by seven assholes, and what they say, goes!!!

Why is DEMOCRACY a "must have" for the "freedom-loving Iraqi peoples" but it's a big fuck you to the citizens of the UAE???? Because they are "friendly" (this week, anyway) and they practice the religion of capitalism???

The stink of cognitive dissonance is overwhelming!




Can ya smell it?????
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:33 PM
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5. That's Just So... So... Right! n/t.
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misternormal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:54 PM
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2. Love how...
When an argument make perfect sense, some asshole will play the race card...

Last resort Losers.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:58 PM
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3. I admit it. I dont like some aspects of UAE culture.
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 04:02 PM by Dr Fate
The whole monarchy, women as objects, slavery, church-ran state thing.

Does this make me a racist?
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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:32 PM
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4. Okay, Okay... There's a smidgen of truth there...
I admit, after having considered the issue, I just can't conclude that Arabs and Muslims have come through the recent decades free from some relatively negative stereotypes attached. However, since I'm not at all convinced that some of these views aren't indeed merited, I can't call them discriminatory.

In any case, the point is that we can't have a company based out of a region that's beyond our control, intelligence and security measures, which is also home to a much higher percentage of individuals with connections to radical Islam and/or Al-Qaeda and/or terrorist organiztions... a company that may well be more easily and frequently penetrated by individuals who may act as spys or even inadvertent sources of information... just can't be allowed the kind of access to U.S. security and intelligence information, nor can we be sure to trust it (all of it's employees) to provide the necessary and proper intelligence information on the cargo manifests moving through our ports (from which, or upon which, our Customs/Coast Guard and intelligence agencies depend for what "Port Security" they do manage to provide). Simply put, as Senator Biden has said, there are significant differences between so-called "allies". You just can't compare the UAE to Britain (or even other members of NATO). It's just obviously an unwise decision in terms of national security--and has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.

The only association to "racism" would be that the world currently faces much greater international terrorist activity from Muslims, especially Arab Muslims, and that such belief systems--since they vary by geographic/national boundaries, and the percentages of racial denominations also, likewise vary along geographic boundaries, and that such religious and social world-views also... vary along racial boundaries... and... alas, currently, it can be said that a terrorist with aims to harm Americans and American interests is statistically much more likely to have cultural, national, racial and religious backgrounds that resemble Arab, Middle-Eastern and Muslim designations which are shared by the people of the UAE. This doesn't say anything about a given individual, and doesn't make most of the people living there "bad" or any such thing... it just means that they surely are or will be associated with a higher percentage of persons who themselves are associated with groups known to be threats to our national security. Sorry, it's just a fact.

It may not "sound" "politically correct"... and since negative stereotypes of Arabs and Muslims do exist to varying degrees within the population of America--it's easy to accuse any such reactions against allowing people and businesses from such regions, religions and ideologies to have access and even control over important elements of our national security, of being racially motivated or involving discrimination... but while it's true that there are such feelings and suspicions--many are based on facts and real issues which can't be ignored when it comes to something as important as allowing a foreign company to handle major components involving entry of goods and material into our country. It's such a sort of private and personal issue, it's shocking to most Americans that we'd let anyone outside of our own country handle such a mission--much less one that is far from being a "trusted" ally.

So... Sorry you feel offended, it's nothing personal really--we just can't trust you--and you're not alone--we wouldn't trust anyone/businesses from most nations of the world either! Nor should we!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 04:39 PM
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6. One can't yell "terra" non-stop for 4 years, then expect people to be
OK selling the country's ports to a place associated with terrorists.
Of, only a coup away from to being controlled by them.
W used NYC all these years to fuel hysteria after 911. Now, we are being sold off - and we are supposed to be "ah, OK" about it?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:01 PM
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7. And one can't yell "DEMOCRACY BY GUNPOINT FOR IRAQ!"
...and sort of slide under the rug the fact that the UAE is a dictatorial monarchy with absolutely ZERO representation of, by or for the people. No political parties, no dissent allowed. Seven guys run the show. Seven guys, and their family members, OWN EVERYTHING worth owning. "The people" just have to shut up and take orders. Sounds a lot like Iraq under Saddam, in some respects...the only difference is those seven guys wanna do 'bidniz' with Dubai Dubya....
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 05:08 PM
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8. Should we permit an agency of a foreign government run our ports?
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 05:08 PM by BuyingThyme
No.

Should they allow the CIA to run their ports?

No.

Racism?

Not hardly.

Pretty simple.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:08 PM
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9. "They are just alienating those few friends they have in the region.”
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 06:08 PM by mac56
Forgive me if I don't burst into tears of sorrow for the poor benighted UAE ruling families.

Whoa! They may not like us anymore?!

Big. Fuckin'. Deal.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 06:49 PM
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10. UAE
If I move to the UAE and want to start a business, I am not allowed to.

Why should it be any different here.
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