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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:11 PM
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Iran fires "world's fastest underwater missile"
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=6598533&cKey=1143994683000

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran said on Sunday it had test fired what it described as the world's fastest underwater missile during a week of war games in the Gulf, Iranian state television reported.

"The world's fastest underwater missile was successfully test fired on the third day of the 'Holy Prophet war games'," state television reported in a caption without giving a source or details.

Western nations have been watching developments in Iran's missile capabilities with concern amid a standoff over the Iranian nuclear programme, which the West says is aimed at building atomic bombs. Iran says the program is civilian.

On Friday, Iran's armed forces said they had successfully test fired a domestically produced missile from land which could evade radar.


My bullshit meter is beginning to peg on some of these "new" Iranian weapons. I guess if they really do have them now is the time to show them off, but I am really skeptical about this "worlds fastest" stuff.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:12 PM
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1. Of course it did. And it can hit our shores in 45 minutes, right?
Here we go. Nothing will stop the Crawford Madman.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:13 PM
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2. Real or not, it's called "goading".
We have them precisely where they want us.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:13 PM
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3. This avenue
was explored by the soviets in the late 60's and early 70's. No weapon was ever developed by them.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:14 PM
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4. That we know of
:rofl:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:16 PM
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5. Bush blows up Biggest Bunker Buster Iran fastest missile...
Bottomline its "Make my day" Dirty Harry talk!!!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:18 PM
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6. Well, remember back in the 80's, ole Sad-Damn was a-working on
his "long gun." It was a massive friken cannon, designed to hit Israel. Sorta like a Poor Patriot for desert folks, only designed for surface-to-surface use.

You should have seen the play that weapon got in the ME papers, from Syria to Egypt to Yemen. At the end of the day, the best he came up with was a piece of shit with less guidance than WW2 era ship to shore ordnance (which required a spotter to correct the trajectory).

He was busy getting "aluminum tubes" (oh, yeah) milled to the appropriate tolerances in assorted European countries to accomodate the projectiles...and this was twenty years ago.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:22 PM
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7. That was the brainchild of Gerald Bull. Who did make some BIG guns n/t
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:27 PM
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8. Terra Terra Terra!
Yup. Let's lay the groundwork for another part of this perpetual war on the world. Even if this would happen to be true we can't let someone else have the world's fastest anything. Just another reason for more deficit spending for the defense dept. Bullshit meter is right.

I wonder what life is like for these defense contractor lobbyists? It seems they's be able to use 20's for toilet paper.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:37 PM
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9. Iran has also bred a regiment of cloned warriors
First a stealth missile and now a super-fast torpedo. Sounds like the Iranian propaganda ministry is working overtime.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:54 PM
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14. But TheBig Question Is "Are They Disguised As Mexicans?"
What a way to sneak an army into the US, disguise the Iranians as Mexicans, nobody'd ever notice
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:38 PM
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10. BS point well taken ...........
but all they have to do is control the Strait of Hormuz, or bluff us into thinking they can despite our overwhelming naval capabilities. This stuff is still a long way from playing itself out. Stay tuned folks and keep plenty of money around to pay for gasoline this summer.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:40 PM
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11. It's very convenient of them to test so much firepower
in the last few weeks! It makes our invasion so much easier! :eyes:
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 03:40 PM
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21. And so publicly, with a press release and all. nt
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:40 PM
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12. its either OUR bs to scare people or THEIR bs to scare us away from PEA
PEA=PreEmptiveAttack
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:47 PM
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13. iran war games "holy prophet". us war games "wholly profit'. nt
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 01:37 PM
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19.  good one.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 12:57 PM
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15. Maybe they got the blueprints from Pooty Poot.

VA-111 Shkval underwater rocket

In 1995 it was revealed that Russia had developed an exceptionally high-speed unguided underwater missile which has no equivalent in the West. Code-named the Shkval (Squall), the new weapon travels at a velocity that would give a targeted vessel very little chance to perform evasive action. The missile has been characterized as a "revenge" weapon, which would be fired along the bearing of an incoming enemy torpedo. The Shkval may be considered a follow-on to the Russian BGT class of evasion torpedoes, which are fired in the direction of an incoming torpedo to try to force an attacking to evade (and hopefully snap the torpedo's guidance wires). The weapon was deployed in the early 1990s, and had been in service for years when the fact of its existence was disclosed.

Development begain in the 1960s, when the Research Institute NII-24 (Chief Designer Mikhail Merkulov) involved in the artillery ammunition research was instructed to launch the development of underwater high-speed missile to fight nuclear-powered submarines. On 14 May 1969, pursuant to a government resolution, NII-24 and GSKB-47 merged into the Research Institute of Applied Hydromechanics (NII PGM), which formed the basis of the present day 'Region' Scientific Production Association. Advances in the development of jet engines and fuel technologies, as well as outstanding results in the research of body motion under cavitation made it possible to design a unique missile with a dived speed much greater than that of conventional torpedoes.

When the suction on the low-pressure side of the propeller blade dips below ambient pressure the propeller blade cavitates -- a vacuum cavity forms. There is water vapor in the cavity, and the pressure is not a true vacuum, but equal to the vapor pressure of the water. High-speed propellers are often designed to operate in a fully-cavitating (supercavitating) mode. A high speed supercavitating projectile, while moving in the forward direction, rotates inside the cavity. This rotation leads to a series of impacts between the projectile tail and the cavity wall. The impacts affect the trajectory as well as the stability of motion of the projectile. The present paper discusses the in-flight dynamics of such a projectile. Despite the impacts with the cavity wall, the projectile nearly follows a straight line path. The frequency of the impacts between the projectile tail and cavity boundary increases initially, reaches a maximum, and then decreases gradually. The frequency of impacts decreases with the projectile's moment of inertia.

Apparently fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes, Shkval has a range of about 7,500 yards. The weapon clears the tube at fifty knots, upon which its rocket fires, propelling the missile through the water at 360 kph , three or four times as fast as conventional torpedoes. The solid-rocket propelled "torpedo" achieves high speeds by producing a high-pressure stream of bubbles from its nose and skin, which coats the torpedo in a thin layer of gas and forms a local "envelope" of supercavitating bubbles. Carrying a tactical nuclear warhead initiated by a timer, it would destroy the hostile submarine and the torpedo it fired. The Shkval high-speed underwater missile is guided by an auto-pilot rather than by a homing head as on most torpedoes.


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/shkval.htm

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 01:00 PM
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16. They actually do have these missiles
Edited on Sun Apr-02-06 01:01 PM by WilliamPitt
Iran is no paper tiger like Iraq. They have missiles that are fast enough to foil Aegis radar systems and do heavy damage. They also have a mountainous coastline from which can rain these missiles down on any fleet arrayed in the Gulf.

Read:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/010906I.shtml

Iran's Armaments

Unlike Iraq, Iran has not spent the last fifteen years having its conventional forces worn down by grueling sanctions, repeated attacks, and two American-led wars. While Iran's conventional army is not what it was during the heyday of the Iran-Iraq war - their armaments have deteriorated and the veterans of that last war have retired - the nation enjoys substantial military strength nonetheless.

According to a report issued by the Center for Strategic and International Studies in December of 2004, Iran "has some 540,000 men under arms and over 350,000 reserves. They include 120,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards trained for land and naval asymmetrical warfare. Iran's military also includes holdings of 1,613 main battle tanks, 21,600 other armored fighting vehicles, 3,200 artillery weapons, 306 combat aircraft, 60 attack helicopters, 3 submarines, 59 surface combatants, and 10 amphibious ships."

"Iran is now the only regional military power that poses a significant conventional military threat to Gulf stability," continued the CSIS report. "Iran has significant capabilities for asymmetric warfare, and poses the additional threat of proliferation. There is considerable evidence that it is developing both a long-range missile force and a range of weapons of mass destruction. It has never properly declared its holdings of chemical weapons, and the status of its biological weapons programs is unknown."

A MILNET brief issued in February 2005 reports, "Due to its position astride the Persian Gulf, Iran has constantly been a threat to the Gulf. The so called 'Tanker' wars in the late 1980s put Iran squarely in the bullseye of all nations seeking to transport oil out of the region. Even the small navy that Iran puts to sea is capable enough to harass shipping, and several cases of small boat operations against oil well heads in the Gulf during that period made it clear small asymmetrical tactics of the Iranian Navy could be quite effective."

"More concerning," continued the MILNET brief, "is the priority placed on expanding and modernizing its Navy. The CSIS report cites numerous areas where Iran has funded modernization including the most troublesome aspect, anti-shipping cruise missiles: 'Iran has obtained new anti-ship missiles and missile patrol craft from China, midget submarines from North Korea, submarines from Russia, and modern mines.'"

It is Iran's missile armaments that pose the greatest concern for American forces in the Gulf, especially for the US Navy. Iran's coast facing the Persian Gulf is a looming wall of mountains that look down upon any naval forces arrayed in those waters. The Gulf itself only has one exit, the Strait of Hormuz, which is also dominated by the mountainous Iranian coastline. In essence, Iran holds the high ground in the Gulf. Missile batteries arrayed in those mountains could raise bloody havoc with any fleet deployed below.

Of all the missiles in Iran's armament, the most dangerous is the Russian-made SS-N-22 Sunburn. These missiles are, simply, the fastest anti-ship weapons on the planet. The Sunburn can reach Mach 3 at high altitude. Its maximum low-altitude speed is Mach 2.2, some three times faster than the American-made Harpoon. The Sunburn takes two short minutes to cover its full range. The missile's manufacturers state that one or two missiles could cripple a destroyer, and five missiles could sink a 20,000 ton ship. The Sunburn is also superior to the Exocet missile. Recall that it was two Exocets that ripped the USS Stark to shreds in 1987, killing 37 sailors. The Stark could not see them to stop them.

The US aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt is currently deployed in the Persian Gulf, with some 7,000 souls aboard. Sailing with the Roosevelt is the Tarawa Expeditionary Strike Force, which includes the USS Tarawa, the USS Austin, and the USS Pearl Harbor. The USS Austin is likewise deployed in the Gulf. The Sunburn missile, with its incredible speed and ability to avoid radar detection, would do terrible damage these ships if Iran chooses to retaliate in the Gulf after an American attack within its borders.

Beyond the naval threat is the possibility of Iran throwing its military muscle into the ongoing struggle in Iraq. Currently, the US is facing an asymmetrical attack from groups wielding small arms, shoulder-fired grenades and roadside bombs. The vaunted American military has suffered 2,210 deaths and tens of thousands of wounded from this form of warfare. The occupation of Iraq has become a guerrilla war, a siege that has lasted more than a thousand days. If Iran decides to throw any or all of its 23,000 armored fighting vehicles, along with any or all of its nearly million-strong army, into the Iraq fray, the situation in the Middle East could become unspeakably dire...

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Now, their having these missiles is no pretext for war. I offer this information not to say "The hysterics are right, invade!" but to demonstrate the width, breadth and depth of the shitstorm we will fly into should we undertake an attack there.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 01:00 PM
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17. And if they don't have them, it's a good opportunity
plant a few articles around the world in "freindly newspapers" just to make sure the world thinks they do. NPR reported a snip that the UN is trying to restrain the Bushies and going against Bolton, but I 've not seen it reported anywhere yet in the NYT's or WaPo.

What better way for the Neo's to start making it look like Iran is going to blow up a ship or target Israel than to plant a few stories. :shrug:
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 01:28 PM
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18. Remember a few weeks ago,
...when Iran kicked out CNN altogether because it had mis-quoted Iran's president. He had said that Iran had every right to develop its capability to produce nuclear power; this was promptly mis-translated and reported to Western audiences as "Iran's president says that Iran has every right to pursue nuclear weapons capability". CNN admitted to the "mistake"...

So I don't take reports like this at face value, period.
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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 02:48 PM
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20. Actually, there is this item:
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