Can't we just have a revolution?

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

Working with the system is bullshit. I'm tired of screwing around and getting nowhere :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[Fresh_Start]

1. Thats why I wanted Edwards....

he said we needed to strip the power from corporations and give it back to the people
thats the revolution we need

[DrDan]

3. here here - its the greed - the corporate greed

we need to get over the greed

That is also why I was so hopeful with Edwards. I do not see the current frontrunners wanting to meet this problem head-on. We will bounce back-and-forth Dem-to-Repub and the greed never goes away.

Until it does - the U.S. will continue it's nose-dive.

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

7. I couldn't agree more

[DrDan]

10. the sad part is that is does not have to be this way

the accountants took over corporations in the '80s. Before that, the CEOs came from internal to the corporations. They had some morals and ethics coming up through the ranks. There was community responsibility, etc. But when accountants took over - the corporations began a 90-day view . . . and each view had to surpass the previous. And the cycle began.

Then we went to the real head-choppers to cut costs. Corporate leaders were given bonuses for cutting costs - not for innovation. Innovation became a high-cost item - one that was easier to overcome by cutting staff. The 10-year views based on innovative ideas and technology were quickly replaced with staff cuts and outsourcing.

I don't see how we are ever going to overcome this change.

We have installed the most greedy in positions of power. Even at the head of the federal and state gov. Look at how the states are killing our once-proud educational systems with for-profit charter education with no oversight.

I sense we are doomed - based on this insatiable greed.

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

12. That's why I think we need more than a politician

I agree that we are screwed no matter who gets elected. I've heard promises of all kinds from all kinds of politicians - nothing ever changes. The big money has to much power and influence. Now we have this military industrial complex with a legal system of bribery and corruption - lobbies

Who's going to beat them without hurting them - nobody

[Fresh_Start]

11. the political parties must protect the political parties at all cost

thats why 'impeachment is off the table' weeks after the Democrats took over Congress
we need more than two parties
its time for a revolution

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

13. Yes, it is time for a revolution

[DrDan]

18. exactly - we need a viable third party - the time is right

forget left-wing and right-wing agendas.

We need to quite being sucked in to the agendas of the parties. We need a party that finally supports the lives of the "people".

Pelosi and Reid are nothing more than corporate shills.

[sharesunited]

2. It's about voting control of corporations. Pound the SEC about proxies.

[iamahaingttta]

4. Great idea! You start.

Start by not burning fossil fuels.
Then stop using credit cards and paying interest.
Don't borrow their money to buy stuff you don't need anyway.
Be careful about EVERY purchase that you make.
For example, if you want a revolution, but then patronize Dunkin' Donuts (owned by the Carlyle Group), then I have to question how much you REALLY want a revolution.
Buy local.
Don't feed the beast.

Is there really any other revolution that will accomplish anything positive?
I think not...

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

5. Are you doing all of these things?

[iamahaingttta]

22. Yep!

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

6. I started a long time ago - about 40 years

When did you?

[The Diest]

8. Obama will do something....just wait.

If he had any love for the corporations and their lobbyists he would have accepted their donations.

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

9. I agree - What will he do to start?

:toast:

[The Diest]

20. I don't know, but public pressure is CRITICAL.

You know Britain and Europe have been saying for about 5 years that the dollar is in a downward spiral because of trade deficits and the US debt. We MUST CREATE items to be sold and exported. People I know who work in the IT industry are actually forced to train people from India and Central America, KNOWING they are training people to take our jobs so that the CONS can make a quick buck on wall street. Some of these companies blatantly announce that they have a 20/80 ratio plan, as in 20% American workers and 80% "offshore". I am totally with Thom Hartmann when he says American company = American jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Diest]

21. Cancel any credit card when the people call you from India!!!

Seriously. Also, google Still made in the USA and shop at those companies whenever possible! You can get US, Union made socks for the same price as the ones at Walmart made by slave labor.

[DrDan]

14. c'mon - not gonna happen

Goldman Sachs - $570,000
UBS - $360,000
JP Morgan - $360,000
Citigroup - $360,000
Lehman Bros - $320,000
Google - $310,000
Time Warner - $260,000

this is just a sample.

The two front-runners are no better than any other candidate for high-public office. That's the reason they are front-runners. Anyone not supporting corporate America has no chance to become a frontrunner - because the deciders are also on the-take.

I don't want to be a pessimist - but its reality. You cannot win an election without corporate support. And you do not get corporate support without supporting their bottom-line profits.

QED

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

15. See - Working within the system is bullshit

:popcorn: :popcorn: :patriot: :patriot: :rant: :rant: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :popcorn:

[DrDan]

16. it is! that is absolutely true!

to help the "people" these days - you got to screw the people with outsourcing, obscene profits, cuts in benefits, cuts in social programs.

It is a sad time to be an American. Corporate greed is running rampant - and no one in a position of power wants to do anything to stop it - because that is how they got in their position of power.

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

17. The best plan

Screw the status quo, business and the establishment, industrial, corporate, religious, justice system, courts, social services every way you can making very creatively sure that nothing is illegal. Use the same kind of slander, bullshit and deception they do in politics. Play one side against the other just like they played the American Public against the middle east. Play the press. Give the right and left wings false conspiracies that make them look even more like asses than they do now. Never be afraid of self sacrifice, loss of opportunity, financial or reputation loss. Be the person who can do anything because he ain't got nothing to lose.

Realize that doing this makes you a:

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

19. Data mining

This is "Helps" wife, Cunninglinguist. Everytime we use a credit card, debit card, or website to order products, our information goes into a data-mining base, right along with links to our personal information. Those who have courage to post here must realize, that what we say is likely monitored. Right to speak our minds? Right to privacy? Go on "The List?" Frankly, I don' care! It ain't the first list, nor the last. Regardless of cost, making the list is a badge of honor. If any system threatens to take away what I think, value, believe in, or choose to act, or not act upon, I'd rather face waterboarding than think the SOBs have the power to repress, robe, or threathen my freedom to think and speak my beliefs.

We possess incredible power as consumers. Bottomline...we don't give our resources, we change supply and demand. Does this require sacrifice? Sure! How many of us would rather choose our sacrifices than have them forced upon us?