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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:48 PM
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We're wasting our time here
The few of us here who care are outnumbered by the vast majority who don't give a shit about labor or the plight of the American worker. They are no better than Freepers, they got theirs, fuck the rest of us. They insult us, berate us, slander our Unions and associations, and ALL we are simply trying to do is save American manufacturing. Yet the majority here don't give a rats ass. Our efforts aren't appreciated. But don't mention anything about their lives or lifestyles, you too may be banned. Our Unions can go to hell but don't legislate their rights out of existence.

Not worth the aggravation anymore. DU has turned a deaf ear to the American Blue Collar worker.


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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:49 PM
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1. I didn't. Who did what and when?
I haven't been here much since Thanksgiving. WTH happened to set you off so?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:53 PM
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2. I'm getting laid off in Q1 '09. Middle-aged, not much left in 401k, and
a mortgage. I want to see people work again, me included!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:55 PM
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3. I don't think that way at all. ?? n/t
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:56 PM
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4. You must be reading the wrong posts
snark...

Hey I care and I am sure plenty of other people care about American workers.

Don't leave we are just warming up. We have a lot of work to do in the future and we need all of us to accomplish it.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:56 PM
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5. Most of us work for a living and have jobs in jeopary or salary freezes if we're lucky
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 08:58 PM by dmordue
Last time I checked no one was offering to bail me out by helping my employer. However, we would love a bail out as well so we don't have to get layed off or at least get a cost of living increase. Those getting direct help will certainly be in the minority and may only be bank executives and if they are lucky those working for car manufacturers
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:59 PM
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6. I read many of Ohama Steve's posts and the articles he links to
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 09:04 PM by gristy
I appreciate the big effort he puts in. I've always thought that DUers are very much pro-union. Maybe since he is preaching to the choir you don't hear much from us.

Looking at the labor forum http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=367, I can see the sheer volume of Omaha Steve's posts. In general, he gets a good number of views but not too many replies. So I imagine that can be a bit disheartening. But again, I really appreciate the posts and have great respect for OS and his efforts.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 09:05 PM
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7. I come from a blue collar family, as I'm sure many other DUers do.
Don't give up. There are still lots of us who care.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 09:09 PM
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8. Maybe not

I get notes from lurkers etc. all the time that appreciate this forum. I do post labor issues in LBN and GD with overall good results. There have been THREE labor stories in the feature spot on the front page in the last week. And when somebody has a union or work related issue, they know where to look on the DU. Happens all the time.

OS

I'm headed to bed. Good night all.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 09:11 PM
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9. I think it's a good idea to be active locally, with non-Union folk, on issues that Unions care about
Health Care reform comes to mind, somthing that will affect jobs and, hence, the power of Unions.

Obviously, alternative energy is another such issue.

Networking in the community, WORKING to help others who are also working on an issue, while making it clear that you are a Union member and trying to get other Union members to do the same - this one:one personal contact is what shows people how wrong they are about Unions, not putting too much value on bitch-fests on the internet.
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 09:46 PM
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10. I just started posting
and I am concerned ..

I've seen our states manufacturing and IT jobs evaporate and experienced hardship incurred by outsourcing.

I very much appreciate, and I'm talking over the years, the effort that many posters here put in to get information out there about the state of American labor, esp. the deleterious effects of free trade agreements. I've written my representatives based on the information folks have posted here.

We need to keep hearing the voice of Labor and our Union members; reality needs to drown out the propaganda of republicans and slave-trade proponents. Labor issues should never be separated from the mission of the Democratic Party. We can't let that happen.
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JeffreyWilliamson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 10:06 PM
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11. I'll go out on a limb here and say...
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 10:11 PM by JeffreyWilliamson
...perhaps you aren't outnumbered, but rather it's just the tone that's driving the non-supportive responses. Please let me explain...

They are no better than Freepers, they got theirs, fuck the rest of us.


I make $12.00 an hour, I work for a small, home business in the human resources sector, and I don't know if I'll have a job after the first of the year. I have no benefits. My budget is so tight my partner and I have resorted to shopping for the generic Wal-Mart brands to keep us in food. We are victims of Hurricane Ike--I lost my car, we both lost our workplaces and are working out of temporary locations.

Speaking of that car--we had one vehicle that we shared between us. It was a 1995 Honda Accord. It was a good car and required little maintenance. I was forced to replace it after the storm, just so we could go to work everyday. I took our savings and got a used 1994 Geo Prizm for $2500. I looked into the car before I got it, and discovered that it was really just a re-branded Toyota Corolla. That didn't matter, I needed it and it worked so I got it...

The car is insignificant overall, as is the Wal-Mart shopping. We have to do what we need to in order to get by these days. But a quick look at a few of the threads in GD over the Thanksgiving weekend revealed a theme, and a nasty one. While the threads didn't come right out and say it, they heavily implied that to buy foreign cars, shop at Wal-Mart, or even take grocery carts in from the parking lot, was essentially being a traitor to America and America's workers.

What was lost in those threads was that people like me are Americans and are also America's workers, just as much as anyone else is. Most of these threads were started by those who are Labor Union members. These threads hurt people like me. Was I supposed to tell you how much I support you while some of you imply that I'm a traitor to the American worker? I AM an American worker. Just trying to survive.

ALL we are simply trying to do is save American manufacturing.


Yes, you were, but the threads posted seemed to be only about saving Labor jobs. And I'm only saying this in general--I don't mean anything posted by you personally. I know it sounds harsh, but from someone in my position, that's what it looked like. Buy a foreign car, go on ignore; shop at Wal-Mart, you don't support workers. But I've done both of those things recently and I only did it to survive...

Yet the majority here don't give a rats ass.


But we do. I do. I would buy American if I could, and would shop at some other store if I could right now. I have always done so in the past and will do so in the future, as soon as I can. But right now, those threads just hit people in my situation with a mallet square between the eyes. We're hurting, too, not just auto workers.

But don't mention anything about their lives or lifestyles...


The above phrase is what I am talking about. Don't mention...their...lifestyles? I'm sure you didn't mean it to look this way, but as a gay man I totally took that sentence the wrong way. You are equating your income to who I am as an individual? What I mean is, I know you didn't mean it that way, but the rashness of your typing of it made it look that way to me.

Perhaps it's time for a Labor/DU reconciliation thread. I think that DU hasn't done a good job of recognizing the hurt and pain that its Labor members have been going through. But maybe the board's Labor members haven't necessarily recognized the pain that other posters, (and I don't mean those smart-asses that have ducked into car threads saying GM is a piece of shit), are going through.

We should all do a better job of listening to one another. First on that list is me.

Well, I wasn't meaning to make this sound anti-worker. Just was expressing some feelings on these threads. I know I've probably done a poor job. I'm still trying to get a grip on a lot of the pain over what's happening in the auto industry. Somebody help me out here...
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JeffreyWilliamson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:15 PM
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12. And to add to my reply...
DB, please see this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4583523

And please don't get discouraged and stop posting. I've really enjoyed reading your point of view, even if my above post seems to disagree with this thread.
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