CBS: "Can you trust what she says?"

[jedreport]

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The lead story on the CBS Evening News reveals an ongoing pattern of deception from Hillary Clinton on her tale of Bosnian sniper fire.

Sharyl Attkisson: "Once again, her memory doesn't match our video tape."

Anchor Harry Smith: "In the end, doesn't this really come down to a matter of can you trust what she says?"

[jgraz]

1. No. It really comes down to a matter of YOU CAN'T trust what she says.

Subtle but important difference.

[They Live 1988]

3. If both of these candidates politically fall apart

I am not sure of the rules that will be in play at the national convention, but could the delegates vote with a majority vote and change the rules to allow unpledging the delegates, and then have the delegates orchestrate a delegate revolt and vote for Edwards? I like Kucinich more, but Edwards has more of that intangible Presidential look and feel that could work for him if these 2 just plain fall apart.

[krkaufman]

23. *WERE* such a scenario to develop...

... I don't see us nominating anyone but Gore. He's the only one who would have sufficient name recognition to overcome the exceedingly short timeframe between the convention and the election. (only 2 months)

Obama will be the nominee. But, if not, it will then -- most likely -- be Gore/Obama.

[papau]

21. Obama lied about not hearing Wright sermon - until speech said he did - link below

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/just-what-did-o.html

[jgraz]

26. Not even close to equivalent

[BrklynGreenDog]

32. CBS contradicts its own contemporaneous report supporting HRC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pef5AUt-tic

They actually cut a clip from the above video that supports everything she said into a report claiming she got the facts wrong. This is unbelievably bad 'journalism' by CBS.

[iamjoy]

2. I'm Mad On So Many Levels...

Clinton - you tell the stupidest lies. Why would you risk your credibility on an interesting story? It's like the (false) claim you made about being named after the man first credited with climbing Mount Everest. It's the equivalent of "I caught a fish THIS big."

Clinton - why are you providing a list of Obama's misstatements? Why not provide a list of McCain's lies and doublespeak?

CBS News - directly questioning her credibility - is this supposed to pass for unbiased journalism? Maybe she really did remember it inaccurately. She must have taken a lot of trips as first lady and it would have been easy to blend events from different trips or the threat of what could happen with what really did. Do we know if she only took one trip to Bosnia? Maybe there was another trip.

[MindMatter]

10. Does it matter?

If she is delusional, honestly remembering something that clearly never happened, does that make it any better?

This is the kind of thing that should really shake up the Democratic elders, especially when her response is to produce a list of Obama fibs.

My guess is that those elders were willing to let this run its course at least through PA. But this latest debacle is really just too much. I'm guessing there are lots of phone calls happening right about now. More than resign, it looks like she may need some serious time off. This woman is not mentally there.

[iamjoy]

11. It's Not Delusional

We all make mistakes.

What really ticks me off is her response - pointing to Obama's mistatements. Well, gosh Dad, I know I failed Math, but the rest are all As and brother got all Cs.

I do believe she is mentally there. I also believe she has been held to a higher standard than anyone currently running. However, I believe if she gets the nomination, the unfair attacks will only accelerate. She's tough and I believe she'll fight, but the refs may well be paid off against her.

[MindMatter]

13. No, we do not all make mistakes like this.

She has been telling this story for months, and each time it grows a little further from the truth. That much, I'll easily grant you, is human nature.

But in the past week the facts have been right in front of her face in the form of the video. And 24 hours after CBC put this video way out into the open, she is still spinning her yarn. Now she is twisting the story to be that she didn't run to the vehicles because she had to deal with the 8-year-old girl. So CBS brings out more footage that proves, once again, that the new version of the story is a complete lie. She lingerer on the tarmac for a long, long time greeting soldiers, taking pictures and having a good old time.

That is delusional. Anybody who is not delusional would have snapped right back to reality once they saw that video. For those of us in touch with reality, that would have been a hugely embarrassing "Oh shit" moment when we saw the video and realized just how far our stories had wandered from the truth. But she did exactly the opposite. Her response was basically, "I's true, honestly it's true, I'm telling you, you have to believe me. It was the girl. That's the ticket. I just stopped for the girl. See, that's all better now, isn't it?"

Really, I'm convinced she is not mentally sound at this point.

[JTFrog]

31. Did you defend this "misspeak" too?

John McCain tries to do damage control on his ridiculous photo op in the Baghdad market that required a small Army to show us that it was safe there. His visit required 100 American soldiers, with three Blackhawk helicopters, two Apache gunships overhead, hidden snipers and bulletproof vests. His excursion included a Rug Shopping Spree at an Iraqi street vendor with Senator Lindsey (”I bought 5 rugs for 5 bucks“) Graham (R-SC) and Rep. Mike (”like a normal outdoor market in Indiana“) Pence (R-IN).

McCain said he regrets comments he made after a tour of Baghdad last Sunday, when he said he could see progress and the American people were not being told the “good news” about the war, according to excerpts of his comments and a press release provided by “60 Minutes.”

…”Of course I am going to misspeak and I’ve done it on numerous occasions and I probably will do it in the future,” said McCain, according to “60 Minutes”. McCain acknowledged in this “60 Minutes” interview that he had been accompanied by heavy security during his trip.

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Misspeak is now accepted as the code word for LIE.

[NorthCarolina]

34. McCain's faux-pas was not a mistake, it was ignorance and incompetence

I wish the Dems, Hillary in particular if she's determined to stay in the race, would move to attacking the Republican candidate as opposed to attacking their primary opponent. To me the race is over for Hillary and she should be showing support for Obama, but no...the winning at any and all costs mentality prevents that scenario and will ultimately be what elects McCain to the White House and will likely curtail any significant gains for Dems in the House and Senate. While I truly despise the Republican politics, I believe their effort to turn Dems against themselves is a brilliant political move that will allow them to turn the pile of shit that is their Party into election gold.

[JTFrog]

35. Neither was Hillary's. Misspeak is now accepted as the code word for LIE.

[NorthCarolina]

36. I Agree, Hillary just flat out lied as we now see, but McCain didn't Lie

simply put McCain has a feeble understanding of the intricacies of the middle east and this basic lack of real world knowledge is simply being laughed-off by the media as a harmless misspeak (even though repeated several times by McCain) or a "senior moment".

[JTFrog]

45. McCain lied. So did the people who went with him. It was a joint effort.

To try to dismiss it as some honest mistake or misspeak is bull. Especially since he had an agenda for the LIE.

[NorthCarolina]

46. I was not attempting to dismiss McCain's statements at all

in fact the assertion that he didn't misspeak but rather quite simply DIDN'T KNOW is quite worse than a misspeak. My implication was, although apparently not exactly clear, was that if he didn't know enough about the region or it's people and political intricacies to the point that he made the same mistake THREE TIMES on three separate occasions AND had to be corrected by Liebermann, then how in the world could he ever expect to be CIC.

So McCain didn't exactly "lie", but quite simply put he clearly has no real in depth understanding of whats going on in Iraq. Believe me, I was certainly not attempting to dismiss his comments as some "mistake", and George Will's assertion that it was simply a Senior moment is also BS....McCain just doesn't have a clear understanding of the Iraq situation plain and simple. THAT is the message I was trying to convey.

[JTFrog]

47. Thanks for that. I still disagree.

I think the fact that the others who went with him told similar tales (it was like going shopping in Indiana) proves it to be a premeditated lie. They were trying to convince us that the surge was working. They had an agenda, made up a theme and all told LIES to back it up.

To me it's as simple as that.

[NorthCarolina]

48. But the issue was his confusion about Sunni vs Shia

and in that he simply didn't know the difference, hence the whispered correction into his ear. If you say something wrong because you simply don't know the facts, that is not exactly lying. He did lie in the attempted cover-up of his screw up, but that is another story.

[JTFrog]

49. That was the story I posted.

Isn't it?

[iamjoy]

43. NO, He's A Republican

And the only thing I will defend McCain on is his service in Vietnam/time as a P.O.W.

[JTFrog]

44. I know you aren't implying IOKIYAD

That isn't our line, it's the republicans. We aren't supposed to be the hypocrite party.

They both lied their asses off and got called on the carpet for it. McCain lied, he didn't have a senior moment. No way would I give him a pass for that. Not only did he lie, but the people who went with him lied. It was a joint effort.

In Hillary's case say she misspoke on half a dozen occasions and when given the facts and opportunity to say she misspoke, she still insisted she was being truthful and insisted others were lying. The woman is obviously extremely smart, well-spoken, intelligent, on top of her game. To imply this was some mental issue is more disrespectful than to just call her what she is. A Liar. Unless you want to get into what I think may be a real mental issue: Pathological Liar.

[krkaufman]

24. She lied because otherwise the trip would be revealed for what it was ...

... a ceremonial trip for the First Lady, and nothing that would accrue any national security or foreign policy credits.

And... I expect that they slowly ramped-up the lie, thinking that they'd gotten away with it. Until the lie grew just a bit too big.

[tuvor]

4. Should have been asked four and eight years ago of someone else.

[LoveHC]

5. Hillary had a senior moment for a couple of speeches, so what!

Obama on the other hand had a senior moment for 20 years! That just about sums it all up and if you dispute me on this one, why, I just might vote for Huckabee!

[IndependentDem]

15. Huckabee/Colbert 08'...

wouldn't be that bad if Huckabee wasn't an evangelical republican. But to dispute you on this--- i don't think that saying "well he did it too" is a valid argument. all politicians lie, thats a fact we cant control. but condoning the lies and saying it isn't that big of a deal, we can control that.

[ORDagnabbit]

6. A consistent pattern of intentional lies since at least 1974!

[scarface2004]

7. all these 'newsmen' are missing the point!!

what if it was all true.. and she was ducking snipers and so on! as dik chianie would say 'so!' what does it really matter. i ll take obama's 'experience' over hers any day. how stupid do you have to be to vote for the iwr! case closed.

[MindMatter]

8. She;'s not just a liar. She's an idiot.

For the life of me, I cannot understand these morans that insist on digging themselves deeper and deeper. When Obama faced the controversy about Wright, he didn't make up stories. He didn't deny Wright's words. He did clearly denounce the offensive statements and gave a very thorough accounting of where he stood on the core issues of race in America. Even if you don't agree with his opinions about race in America, I think most fair-minded people can respect him for owning the issue and dealing with it head on.

Neither of the Clintons have this in their makeup. They seem to be genetically wired to lie, bob, weave, obscure, dodge, and change the subject.

Just think how our country would have been different if Bill had said, "Yes, I had an improper relationship with an intern, and I take full responsibility for it." instead of "I never had sex with that woman."

Just think of where Hillary's campaign would be right now if she could have owned her Iraq vote. All she had to say was, "It was the biggest mistake of my career. I was wrong." Even this week she is still dodging and weasel-wording her answer on that vote, and that is why she is going to lose.

And now this Bosnia thing. Even after the video puts the obvious lie to her every word, she still persists in trying to rationalize it somehow. Her actions reveal her as having the same hubris as her husband.

She is not Presidential material. Enough. Please, superdelegates. Bring this to an end now.

[BlueJac]

9. She is a liar and a political whore........

We need no more Clintons or Bush's as president of this country that is in big trouble from the conservatives. Yes, Bill Clinton ran as a progressive and governed as a conservative. NAFTA and keeping Alan, the idiot Greenspan, as the fed chief. And if you don't believe that read a fucking book for a change and actually learn something. That would something new to alot of you Hillary supporters. The bad thing is, you would think like a republican lite and not believe what you are reading! Quit trying to lose this up coming election in November...............VOTE OBAMA and vote for real change, and that can not happen under a Clinton supported by Murdoch!!! Fox news is Neo-Con news wake the fuck up!!

[LoveHC]

12. Obama is not "real change"

See Wright. He just says he is. A FREAKIN LOT.

[mucifer]

14. why are you so scared of Rev. Wright?

Can't you see there are REAL issues like Health Care and War?

Either candidate is better than mccain.

[Name removed]

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[LoveHC]

17. Mainboard what I said and ask

because I can't. This is the debate we should be having now. Believe me, what I am saying is true.

[krkaufman]

22. Re: "Hillary is a whore, b*tch, C**t, liar, (censored)."

I could see how HC supporters would take offense at the use of such language, but a PG-13 version of Sesame Street could play the "Which one of these is not like the others?" game with the set of words you chose.

"Liar" is hardly vulgar or sexist, and many could reasonably argue that it is factually accurate. (see video in OP)

As for staying home... your call. You'll sure have shown everyone, though, when the SCOTUS overturns Roe v Wade, eh?

[LoveHC]

38. That Obama is a liar is also factually accurate

but if I say this, I am a racist, or a supporter of a b*tch, c**t, whore etc. And that kind of twisted hypocrisy is why I prefer McCain. I will not only vote for McCain, I will organize and rally for him. The Obama supporter is a maniac, and their candidate is a fraud. A fraud who *unites* maniacs. I will go with sobriety and reason. Sorry. I will never vote for Obama. Ever. Your weak protestations about RvW is your problem. If YOU cared about that, YOU would have behaved accordingly when my enthusiasm for the party existed.

You go ahead and fight RvW with your savior's speeches. They are magic. You certainly don't need me and my petty scratches on a mere ballot.

[krkaufman]

41. Yes. The Obama supporters are maniacs.

:crazy:

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. mucifer...please don't feed the trolls. nt

[LoveHC]

40. Right, I reply to "political whore", and that makes me the troll

Where have I seen logic like that before?

Oh right! If I vote for Hillary, that makes me a "racist". That's where! Glad I answered that question for myself, because man, that was gonna bug me all day long. And I have things to do! Like "trolling" and "racism". And "groceries".

[krkaufman]

42. Given the circumstances, the angst can be understood...

... but "political whore" is no more sexist than "media whore" (putting aside a discussion as to the degree to which they're both equally sexist), and, to my limited knowledge, no one has complained of sexism in regards to the use of the term "media whore" in the years I've been monitoring DU (or anywhere else, for that matter).

You are, of course, free to argue sexism, but the point is weak.

[krkaufman]

19. "can you trust what she says?" --- Ohhh... sNAP!

So, big deal... she's been sleep-deprived SEVERAL times over the past few months.

But maybe she shouldn't be picking up that phone at 3am, eh?

[thereismore]

20. "I took her stuff" Hillary, you ain't taking my stuff! nt

[usregimechange]

25. My God, GOP wet dream!

[datopbanana]

27. Answer = No. Thx for playing

[Voltaire99]

28. Trust Clinton? I guess it depends on what the meaning of "trust" is!

I "trust" Mrs. Clinton to tell me whatever it is she thinks will get her elected.

I "trust" her to twist any and all facts that suit this end.

I "trust" her to run a murderous foreign policy little different to that of the neo-cons she supported in their invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

And I "trust" her to make that bizarre, I'm-gonna-eat-your-very-heart smile where she bears her fangs at the camera like a Stepford Wife who's been getting testosterone injections.

[susankh4]

29. Isn't this the same thing they said

about Al Gore? "Can you trust what he says?"

[WDIM]

30. Hillary is lying about lying...

I think that is what is so amusing about all this. Especially the sleep deprived statement!

"I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/mostread/s_558930.html

[DS1]

33. Yeah, she was flat out bullshittin, but how many other candidates have had their bullshit reported

on by one of the major broadcasters?

This is why we need her out of the race, the media will shred her to pieces.

[MindMatter]

37. Actually, the media does like to play "gotcha"

If anybody else were acting like that, I believe the media would have hit them hard too. It makes the media feel self-important, so they will go with it.

The fact is that nobody else is doing this. Clinton made "experience" and the "3AM call" the centerpiece of her campaign -- the defining issue. And she has used the Bosnia story, more than any other event, as an example of her superior experience and readiness for office. Her claim turns out to be about 90% fictional, and her response to each question is to spin deeper and deeper lies.

She brought this upon herself. She made it the issue and she created the pack of lies. The media was only doing their most basic responsibility.

Contrast this with Obama. The only comparable media fixation on him was the minister's speech. Obama hasn't lied about any of that. He explained his position in a straightforward way and people are free to decide if they can accept his position. But there is certainly no lying in that case.

I am damn tired of the Clintons holding themselves out as victims.

[Lena inRI]

39. HILLARY LAYERS LIES. . .

. . .and has a lousy memory for a professional liar.

Did she really think, in this day and age of electronic fact-checking, she could get away with this?

Dr. Dean, Senator Reid, Speaker Pelosi. . .PLEASE END THIS CHARADE. NOW.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

Obama all the way to the White House.