Fitna

[jzodda]

Run time: 10:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCrCsTMokTU   Posted on YouTube: March 27, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: March 29, 2008 By DU Member: jzodda Views on DU: 2603

 
Well here it is, the video that's causing all the controversy, the English version.

[thunder rising]

1. America's chickens ... coming home to roost

I don't know if there is a punch line ... but I'm sure we could make a Southern Babtist version depicting America's justification of the worldwide oppression, killing, murder. The difference is that we KILL and they talk about it. Osama Bin Laden took one strike at the US and we have killed millions ... America's chickens ...

[jzodda]

4. I have been reading the comments

and there are now almost 11,000 in less then a day. Its a general sea of hate with a rational comment mixed in every so often. Wilder accomplished what he set out to do as there are already protests taking place in Pakistan and the video is getting enormous world wide attention.

Its a rather simplistic video with the Koranic quotes taken out of context and then cut to nutty extremist. I think we can do that with almost any ancient text of importance. We could do the same with the Bible of course. What I hate most is that rational people know that the extremists make up such a tiny portion of the overall worldwide Muslim population. This video of course would have us believe that they are all screaming for our heads. I fear that it will be youth mostly who will be easily swayed by the simplistic message of emotional hate.

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12. Agreed.

[MaryCeleste]

2. I am surprised it is still up...read earlier that it had been forced down due to serious threats

Other reports are that in muslim nations the faux outrage is starting. Have to wonder how many people they will kill over this one.

[Speck Tater]

3. .

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[Hissyspit]

6. "kill over this one"

It is entirely possible some Westerners will kill Muslims because of this film. It is a pretty ignorant piece of propaganda.

[MaryCeleste]

7. More likely that muslims will riot and take out some of their own

[Hissyspit]

11. Probably. Or both could happen.

All the more reason not to make and promote such a piece of propagandistic crap designed not to promote understanding but to promote reaction.

[MaryCeleste]

15. Sometimes reaction is a good thing

Prior anti-muslim short films and the Danish cartoons did not result in non-muslims killing muslims, but muslims were killed by their own in riots.

Purportedly there is another short on Mohammen (MPPHBHLM) and Aisha coming out from another source. If true, it will cause a good deal larger ruckus.

The inability of muslims to tolerate dissent, criticism or free speech really tells the rest of us what respect it should be treated with.

[Hissyspit]

21. It's a hate film. As bad as any al Qaeda junk.

Violent reaction is good as long as it is not you getting killed?

By the way, no profile?

[MaryCeleste]

24. As was the Van Gogh film, as was Rushie's Book, as were the Danish cartoons

as is anything critical of islam.

I have profile...

[Hissyspit]

27. "ERROR: No such user profile"

"The user has disabled his/her user profile."

[bhikkhu]

31. "the inability of Muslims"...

Do you speak from experience, that is, do you know a great number of Muslims? Or is it simply the custom here that we may lump a religion or a race together, based upon selective grazing from media sources, and call them intolerant or any number of other epithets?

The opinion you express is a part of the malaise afflicting the understanding of this country, which has had its part in more than enough killing.

[dbmk]

34. Well, to broaden the picture here...

... The Danish cartoonist, whose cartooon is being used in the film, has begun legal steps to have it removed from the film.

AS far as I can tell, apart from it being a clear copyright issue, he thinks it misrepresents the intention behind his cartoon, to the same extent as it was mischaracterized as a cause for protest and riots.

As far as I know his intention was to characterize how islam/Muhammed was taken hostage by extremists. Not as a general representation of islam or Muhammed.

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14. Who is the "they" you are talking about? and it's not "faux outrage". After all the death

inflicted against the Muslims as a proxy for Osama Bin Laden, it's not faux at all.

[MaryCeleste]

16. Demonstrations in Jordan, Iran and elsewhere. Imams screaming outrage in the mosques

That was certainly the pattern for the Van Gogh film, the Rushdie book, and the Danish cartoons. That has nothing to do with OBL.

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20. I get it, the problem is that they don't want to make their own youtube.

there is certainly enough material out there to answer back.

[MaryCeleste]

23. They have, its called Achmed the Dead Terrorist

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26. It's THEIR religion. They have lived in that society longer than the any other on earth.

And our neocon attitudes will not change them with this shit.

[TheDonkey]

5. Tacky and dumb

I understand the point of the film but unfortanetly the point was only made briefly (about 10 seconds) at the end. All that proceeded seemed like a lazy way to scare people to "hate" Islamic haters. There was no discussion or explanation. Just sensation shots of dead and mangled bodies. OK, if you want to show that fine but have a real discussion rather than dumbing it down for the audience to try to shock them into agreeing "Yes Islam is EEEVIL!"

[Hissyspit]

9. Ignorant piece of inflammatory propaganda.

No context, no true attempt at understanding.

[MaryCeleste]

10. Is understanding really called for?

islam's current and real time track record is such that it really deserves this and more

[Hissyspit]

13. Nice generalization.

Yes, understanding is called for.

America didn't understand they were being fear-mongered and lied to post 9/11 and look at the shit that has occurred since and look at the innocent muslims who have died as a result.

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17. Really? And in your infinite wisdom please tell me how WE are better?

[MaryCeleste]

19. Easy

We do not execute gays
We treat women as equals
Freedom of worship
Freedom of expression

The list goes on

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22. Really? What happened in Wyoming? Why are there glass ceilings? Get arrested for a t-shirt?

Yeah, we're better. We own the media. The satellites, the microphones and the people holding them.
Sure, we're better.

[Hissyspit]

25. Nice generalizations.

Not all muslims think the same, not all muslim countries are the same. I think Islam is seriously flawed as I do Christianity. I have ALL kinds of problems with situations and beliefs in the Muslim world. But that is pretty much besides the point with regards to the film. The film is ignorant, inflammatory and worthless.

Freedom of expression? I watch what I say all the time where I live.

Freedom of worship? I'm an atheist. Think I could ever get elected to the Presidency of the United States?

We treat women as equals. Oh please.

We do not execute gays. Not as rule of institution, no. But please check up on the hate crime deaths of late. A lot of them do not make the news.

[ladywnch]

28. thanks hissy, you got the post out before I did!

the one that really made me laugh was "treat women as equals".....yeah, my a** we are!

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29. We would do those things if the Neocon Right Christians had their way. Like they almost did.

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30. In fact it is blogs like this (and Howard Dean and Obama) that kept us from that pit of hell.

[jhrobbins]

37. I just have to say that as a gay man, despite the problems in this country-

I would still rather take my chances here than in a fundamentally driven Muslim country.

[ladywnch]

8. religious zelots of ANY kind are just plain dangerous.

take a look at the Fred Phelps fundies. They and their followers are not far off from this stuff. I am in danger from either side since I believe all religion is nothing more than dangerous fairytales and fantasies. They all scare me.

[thunder rising]

18. Totally agreed. That's why I keep saying we could make a Southern Babtist version of this.

[Gonnuts]

32. For centuries

For centuries now the Islamic religion has been around, Muslims have lived side-by-side with Christians, Jews, Buddhists peacefully unless cajoled for political reasons, for thousands of years, now all of a sudden they're all the devil personified and we're supposed to fear them.

Why a powerful nation with more weapons than the rest of the world combined should fear mostly underdeveloped countries with largely illiterate people escapes me.

[Enthusiast]

35. Gonnuts, I have an answer,

"Why a powerful nation with more weapons than the rest of the world combined should fear mostly underdeveloped countries with largely illiterate people escapes me."

We must emphasize the Muslim threat and exaggerate it. Without the existence of the Soviet Union how else will we justify all our profitable military spending? Those that are promoting war without end know exactly how easily led the American people are. And, these profiteers are in control of the media.

[FightTheRight89]

33. Whatever this video is, I don't want to watch it.

The frame on the preview box does not look appealing, and in fact, makes me want to vomit.

[stlsaxman]

36. i will NEVER watch this. surprised it was posted here but not really...

instead of giving this POS any more power by posting it here, why not just post in GD:

"Fitna: Seen it?"- and have a discussion about it.

I for one, will not add to the "views on DU" number, or youtube for that matter.

LET IT SINK