[Real Time 03-28] Should Hillary drop out? And why has McCain a chance of winning?

[DutchLiberal]

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Bill Maher's panel discusses whether or not Hillary Clinton should drop out. Some are for it, some are against it. Tavis Smiley brings up the issue of states late in the primary which for the first time in decades have a real voice in who the nominee's going to be.

Also: why is McCain so popular while he is no different than Bush on Iraq and the economy? Finally a long overdue discussion about fake patriotism and the large number of voters falling for it.

[gateley]

1. I thought Tavis Smiley presented his argument

well. I was impressed by him the entire show, as a matter of fact.

[maximusveritas]

5. It's a selfish argument; he thinks it's more important for him to get to vote

than to settle the nomination soon enough so that we can win in November.

[DutchLiberal]

6. On the other hand, letting the remaining states decide the race is good for voter participation.

After all the complaining about the low number of Americans voting, this may be the solution. For the first time in the lives of many Americans, they will actually make a difference in the primaries.

[Juche]

2. Because

"Also: why is McCain so popular while he is no different than Bush on Iraq and the economy?"

Because a large number of citizens don't pay attention to politics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE

As far as Hillary, my main concern is money. If the dems spend andother $200 million competing with each other, that is money that can't go to the 2008 election. Unless they invest it in ways that'll help the 2008 election it seems like a waste.

[Ztarbod]

3. McCain has a chance of winning because

he is one of the candidates in the election.

[concerned canadian]

4. ignorance of the issues can be the only reason

why some Hillary and Obama supporters are (allegedly) saying that they would vote for McCain if their choice of

candidate doesn't get the nomination. This is likely old hat for seasoned DU members, but it's been an eye opener

for me to find this http://www.ontheissues.org/john_mccain.htm , simply by googling "John McCain on issues". Excuse me

if i've reposted this, but some things really are worth repeating again.

McCain supports repeal of Roe vs Wade (abortion allowed in the event of incest and rape only.

His answer to the war on drugs is 'stricter penalties, stricter enforcements'

Bill Clinton said he's a moderate so i scanned his record and words for something that looked like moderation and found it

under the headline Torture. He's against all forms of torture. And he's for closing Guantanamo. Alright. Something any

sane, democratically minded person can agree with. Wait a sec, in his voting record, "Don't ask, don't tell policy-it works",

he voted No on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees

voted No on requiring CIA reports on detainees and interrogation methods

He also voted No in limiting soldiers deployments to 12 months (the 100 year war plan)

And if that's not enough to chill the blood of any voter currently supporting either Democratic candidate, who may

be otherwise leaning towards McCain, "I support the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war (Jan/06) in his own words.

[DutchLiberal]

7. Bill Clinton against all forms of torture? May I laugh please?

He started the practice of rendition of terror suspects to Middle-Eastern and African countries where they would be tortured by the CIA. (That's not to say the CIA didn't torture before he came in office.)