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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:24 PM
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Elizabeth Edwards Smacks Down McCain's HealthCare Plan on Morning Joe: 4.2.08
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 02:25 PM by ultraist
 
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Elizabeth Edwards continue to speak out about Universal Health Care.

Go Elizabeth, go!

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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:54 PM
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1. She also says Clinton 's is the best., the only one that is universal
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:21 PM
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2. She's right about that, but both plans are terrible
although not quite as heartless as the McShame "business as usual, shut up and take it" plan.

Conservatives don't really want to change whole systems, and that's the biggest problem we face. Only Edwards had the right idea: allow people to do an end run around for profit insurance and buy into Medicare.

Medicare isn't perfect, but it takes all comers and guarantees that health care will be given.

Conservatives always squawk about COSTS and never bother to pay attention to whether or not CARE is being delivered. Until they are focused to focus on CARE, nothing in this country will change.
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 05:39 PM
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13. Well, a little correction
McCain would be covered because Medicare doesn't exclude pre-existing conditions, and at his age, he would be covered by Medicare, but isn't it pathetic that you have to be a senior citizen to be treated fairly, when it comes to the availabilty of health care?
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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:26 PM
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5. Elizabeth is right about this....
Clinton's (and John Edwards' plan from which she borrowed heavily) are the only plans that mandate universal care by requiring everyone to buy in. Without a mandate -- by definition -- any plan won't be universal. Obama's campaign -- supported by long time health care reformers such as Ted Kennedy -- would argue that a health care proposal with a mandate is Dead on Arrival in the Senate and thus Obama is simply being pragmatic when he offers a plan that will make health insurance affordable to everyone but will not mandate participation.

My personal opinion is that both Clinton and Obama are being overly-optimistic about health care reform during this campaign because neither is addressing the costs that will be born by ALL Americans in order to make health care affordable to ALL. Clinton came closest last week when she stated that under her plan health care insurance would be capped at 5-10% of an individual or family's annual income. For many individuals without health care, this would be a huge boon. But for tens of millions of Americans who currently accept a substandard wage in return for "good benefits," paying 5-10% of their income for health care would represent a de facto 5-10% pay cut. Both candidates promise that if you like your current plan, you won't have to switch, but it is the employer and NOT the employee who chooses whether to offer a health plan and at what cost. If a national plan is made available, many employers (including already financially pinched state governments) will drop their plans and WILL NOT raise salaries to compensate for the higher premiums. For many, many Americans -- even those who view health insurance as a fundamental right -- this is going to be a very hard sell in the midst of an economic recession.
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 06:27 PM
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14. However, it levels the playing field
"My personal opinion is that both Clinton and Obama are being overly-optimistic about health care reform during this campaign because neither is addressing the costs that will be born by ALL Americans in order to make health care affordable to ALL. Clinton came closest last week when she stated that under her plan health care insurance would be capped at 5-10% of an individual or family's annual income. For many individuals without health care, this would be a huge boon. But for tens of millions of Americans who currently accept a substandard wage in return for "good benefits," paying 5-10% of their income for health care would represent a de facto 5-10% pay cut. Both candidates promise that if you like your current plan, you won't have to switch, but it is the employer and NOT the employee who chooses whether to offer a health plan and at what cost. If a national plan is made available, many employers (including already financially pinched state governments) will drop their plans and WILL NOT raise salaries to compensate for the higher premiums. For many, many Americans -- even those who view health insurance as a fundamental right -- this is going to be a very hard sell in the midst of an economic recession."

It will only mean a de facto 5 to 10% pay cut if the employers don't have to compete for good employees, and keep in mind benefits can be cut by any business at any time. Businesses, big and small, are not required to offer health insurance, they just have to offer it to all employees if they offer it to any. Large businesses generally offer health insurance because if they don't, their best employees will go elsewhere. Having a single payer system would level the "paying field". Instead of including health insurance as a benefit, companies will have to pay more cold hard cash to get and keep the best employees.

If you think that those of us who have insurance aren't paying for those who don't, think again. Doctors and hospitals charge what they do not just to make a profit, but to cover their ass. Hospital districts have to charge higher taxes to cover the cost of treating so many uninsured people in emergency rooms instead on doctor's offices and clinics. Think of the cost of lost productivity when people let health problems get out of hand. To me it's analogous to education - "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance."

Many health insurance programs offered by businesses discriminate against single and/or childless people. I'm single, 51, have no kids and won't be having any. The company I work for pays for my health insurance in full, but it only covers 80% of the cost after meeting a $1400 deductible. My out of pocket costs can be as high as $4K a year. No matter how long I work here, I will get the same benefit. This year, they pay about $1840 for the year to cover me. Someone who has been here for 5 years gets their spouse and children covered, at a cost to the company of $7751 per year. They have the same deductible, but they do have a higher out of pocket limit ($7300). Regardless, someone who is married with children (we cover domestic partners also), gets almost $6K more a year - TAX FREE - in terms of compensation. Is that fair? It depends on who you ask. Do I have a right to seek employment elsewhere? Of course! But would the company be able to cover more of my medical costs if they weren't paying 100% of the coverage for families? Well, yeah! So all things considered, I would rather make more in salary and pay for my own insurance through payroll deduction and get EVERYONE COVERED. That's the thing that's so crazy about the American system. We pay the most and get the least!
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LiveLiberally Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 07:37 PM
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15. I agree with most of your points...
and particularly about the inequities involved in covering individuals versus couples/families. I am one of those who believe that not only is health care a fundamental right, but that a single payer system is the most equitable, efficient and humane way of providing universal health care. (I've lived in countries with national health care.) Having said that, I am concerned that the initial costs will generate opposition, even though you are right that there will be savings in the long term. As a state employee, I receive a fairly mediocre salary but great benefits, which cost my employer (the state) an additional 45% of my salary each year -- about one-fourth of which is for health care. For excellent family coverage (with no deductibles and small co-pays) I pay about $1400 a year. If a national plan was introduced, I am fairly confidant that very quickly my state would seek to move all state employees into it as a cost saving measure with little or no salary increases. This will in effect represent a significant pay cut. And you're right, I could uproot the family and change jobs, but the reality is that there are very few jobs in my field (I had to move across the country for the one I have.)

Again, I support national health care. But its impact on those with good health care NOW needs to be considered so that we can mobilize a majority of Americans to support it. My family is blessed to have such excellent (and affordable) insurance and I for one am willing to pay more to make insurance affordable to all. But I fear many Americans will not feel this way.
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 08:02 PM
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16. We have to look at it as a long term investment
If we have hundreds of billions of dollars to spend on the war in Iraq (and whichever one is next if McCain gets elected) we can afford the initial cost of universal health care.

If you've never seen this before, it really illustrates how our priorities are pretty messed up. Courtesy of Ben and Jerry's:

http://www.truemajority.org/oreos/

http://www.benjerry.com/americanpie/allocate.cfm

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:45 PM
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8. Clinton's is universal
Obama's plan covers all children, but not all adults. In fact, his plan will leave about 15 million without healthcare. Obama's plan is not universal because it doesn't cover everyone; it doesn't have a mandate.

But, as Elizabeth said, Obama's plan is far better than McCain's.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:23 PM
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3. She's the best -
:loveya:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:24 PM
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4. The media, always looking for a conflict
Let her talk about the health care and stop worrying about who they are endorsing or who was condescending. Gee-sh
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:20 PM
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20. Actually, I was glad they gave her a chance to debunk that story and
accepted what she had to say about it.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how she inspires good behavior (respect and courtesy) from so many in the media who often behave badly toward other people who are equally deserving of good treatment, but she has always managed to do so, so beautifully. Great work, Elizabeth.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:29 PM
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6. WOW!!!
I had the good fortune to hear her speak last September. She is so damn smart and on top of this issue.

It's such a crime that JE had to drop out.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:37 PM
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7. K&R for Elizabeth !
Thanks ultraist :hi:
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:47 PM
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9. Thanks!
Isn't it great to have Elizabeth continuing to advocate for decent healthcare coverage? And taking on McCain---gotta love it!
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america_in_08 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 03:50 PM
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10. Ah
Elizabeth Edwards is the greatest.

Great seeing her.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:23 PM
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11. She looks really good.
Edited on Wed Apr-02-08 04:23 PM by cornermouse
She would have been a wonderful First Lady.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:30 AM
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18. I agree! It's great to see her back! K&R.
:kick:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:58 PM
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19. The two women I would absolutely love to see in the White House are
Elizabeth Edwards and Tipper Gore.

It's a sad day in hell in America today.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 08:21 PM
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21. or a wonderful President. But I am hopeful she'll have an important role
in the Clinton or Obama administration.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 04:34 PM
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12. kick
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 10:01 PM
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17. Clinton - Obama
We talk about this like they're gonna walk into the oval office, pick up a pen and make it so! In their DREAMS! Assuming we'll have the other two branches in the Demo's grip, there'll be alot of hashing and re-hashing before anything's cast in stone. :crazy:
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