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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:44 PM
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Obama: "I believe in free trade"
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He does. Look at his record (especially the Dorgan Amendment http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00232, platform, his book.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:46 PM
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1. K & R!
So what did he really mean when he called these folks "anti-trade" in front of an extremely wealthy audience?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 03:59 PM
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2. Yup. They are so in love with Obama they can't realize he was dissing them as naively "anti-trade"
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 05:37 AM
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10. it's called regulations. i dont expect u and ur fellow followers to understand.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 04:07 PM
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3. Sh-h-h. Don't let on that anyone heard but--you know--you aren't supposed to--
you know--notice such things as his "anti-trade" boo-boo.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 09:50 PM
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4. Present
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:17 AM
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5. Wishin' I was . . .
. . . present, I attempted again to view a YouTube video and couldn't: slow dial-up plus olde computer & software.

I'd purchase something up-to-date but there's no DSL out here in the boonies. Until DSL gets here--or until I sell the farm and move to the big city to live with my daughter who has DSL--I'll be living one day at a time, looking forward to the next "present".

Hang in there!

:hi:

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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:41 AM
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6. he goes on to say that
Trade deals should be fair, and only be used to progress the middle class of America.


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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 12:59 AM
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7. Just like the DLC does...
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 12:59 AM by jackson_dem
Don't be fooled. Every Dem has to rhetorically be for such laws. You can't rely on just words, especially on trade.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 02:20 AM
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8. When he said that "trade deals should be fair", did he explain what he MEANT by "fair"?
Did Obama address such questions as the following:

Is a "free trade" deal you might consider "fair" necessarily the same thing as "fair trade"?

A free trade deal might be considered fair, but who'll determine its fairness? Employers? Workers? You?

To whom should free trade deals be fair? Employers? U. S. workers? Workers in other countries?

In the context of "fair trade"--rather than the "free trade" you believe in--wouldn't all trade deals be fair to U. S. workers (as well as workers in other countries) but considered unfair by employers who dislike the idea of "fair trade"?

Etc.? If I was Obama, I'd explain/define "fair trade" (as well as a "fair trade deal") as a deal where an employer AGREES to pay his workers in other countries the SAME FAIR WAGE he was/is paying his workers in the U. S. -- BUT any employer unwilling to embrace the (uh) IDEALS of "fair trade", would be sorta banned from doing business in the U. S. until he sat up and begged for mercy.

O8)
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 03:10 AM
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9. "Trade deals...fair...ONLY...used to progress the MIDDLE CLASS of America."?????
:wow:

Man-oh-man! Does HIS idea of "progressive" mean trade deals would be UNFAIR if they're mistakenly used to progress the poor, working class, underclass, no class folk who have not much more than a vote to throw away?


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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:41 AM
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11. trade deals are INHERENTLY unfair to the middle class.
But Obama supporters like to gloss over that little FACT. Remember kiddies -- he's got a LOT of corporate PAYBACK to do if he gets to the White House. You can pretty much BET the farm he's only going to address the middle class when it gets to be time for another election.

In the meantime, the middle class can drop trough and expect to get the same reaming from him as they'd get from any of the other candidates.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 11:12 AM
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12. Obama thought CAFTA was a net economic plus for US. That says it all...
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 04:12 PM
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13. In his energy plan, Obama provides for subsidies to King Coal---billions in corporate welfare.
BTW: He received the endorsement of Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)--super-duper delegate & carpetbagger--prior to the primary election in Ohio. (The Mountain State's primary isn't until mid-May.)


As an afterthought before posting: It's said that "faith can move mountains". Is it possible Jay and Barry believe "faith" is synonymous with "Big John", one of the draglines used to mine coal in the mountaintop removal/valley-fill mining method?

:shrug:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 06:30 PM
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14. And look at his senate record. He is a shill for King Coal
Yet he talks about reining in the special interests. :rofl:
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