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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:08 PM
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Jimmy Carter says candidates can't risk offending Israel
 
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:11 PM
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1. So true
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:13 PM
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2. That man is amazing!
Wow.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:39 AM
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3. Jimmeh One Note blabs again. Fuck'm.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:18 PM
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6. Shut up. He has done more important things than you will ever accomplish.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:51 PM
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7. Shut up yourself, asshole. You're a long way from home.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:34 PM
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14. Oh, that's nice, that's very nice. I think Edwards deserves better supporters.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:36 AM
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4. Dunno why. Jews are only 2% of the vote.
What we can't risk is losing our only reliable client state in the area. Or should we trust the Saudis, instead?

Of course, the Palestinians could stop killing anyone they disagree with. If that happened, maybe people with money would actually invest in their towns. How would you like to open a McDonald's in Gaza? or maybe you'd like to wait.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:17 PM
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5. "Of course, the Palestinians could stop killing anyone they disagree with."
:eyes: Oh... My... God.

I wanted to write a lenghty response at first, but after re-reading that phrase of yours, I realize it would be time wasted. What a shame. I thought this was a forum for well-educated liberal Democrats. I guess I was wrong. I think I heard similar language coming from the O'Reillys of this world. It's truly a shame you live in such a black-and-white world.

Maybe you should learn a thing or two about the history of Israel's occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. Maybe then you would understand why "no McDonald would like to open" there. Ugh... I don't know what's worse: the historic ignorance or this kind of American imperialism.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:38 AM
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9. aquart knows more history than you ever will. She learned it the hard way.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:33 PM
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13. Oh, well then... Now you've convinced me she's right.
:eyes:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:57 AM
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10. "the Palestinians could stop killing anyone they disagree with"
You mean like how the Zionists' own terror groups were doing back in the 1940's and like the CIA's sock puppets did in Vietnam.


Preliminary Detonations (1948-63)

The members of the Stern Gang were ardent students of violence, self-declared Jewish admirers of Mussolini who steeped themselves in the terrorist traditions of the pre-1917 Russian Socialist-Revolutionary Party, the Macedonian IMRO, and the Italian Blackshirts. As the most extreme wing of the Zionist movement in Palestine -- "fascists" to the Haganah and "terrorists" to the British -- they were morally and tactically unfettered by considerations of diplomacy or world opinion. They had a fierce and well-deserved reputation for the originality of their operations and the unexpectedness of their attacks. On January 12, 1947, as part of their campaign to prevent any compromise between mainstream Zionism and the British Labor government, they exploded a powerful truck bomb in the central police station in Haifa, resulting in 144 casualties. Three months later, they repeated the tactic in Tel Aviv, blowing up the Sarona police barracks (5 dead) with a stolen postal truck filled with dynamite.

In December 1947, following the UN vote to partition Palestine, full-scale fighting broke out between Jewish and Arab communities from Haifa to Gaza. The Stern Gang, which rejected anything less than the restoration of a biblical Israel, now gave the truck bomb its debut as a weapon of mass terror. On January 4, 1948, two men in Arab dress drove a truck ostensibly loaded with oranges into the center of Jaffa and parked it next to the New Seray Building, which housed the Palestinian municipal government as well as a soup-kitchen for poor children. They cooly lingered for coffee at a nearby café before leaving a few minutes ahead of the detonation.

"A thunderous explosion," writes Adam LeBor in his history of Jaffa, "then shook the city. Broken glass and shattered masonry blew out across Clock Tower Square. The New Seray's centre and side walls collapsed in a pile of rubble and twisted beams. Only the neo-classical façade survived. After a moment of silence, the screams began, 26 were killed, hundreds injured. Most were civilians, including many children eating at the charity kitchen." The bomb missed the local Palestinian leadership who had moved to another building, but the atrocity was highly successful in terrifying residents and setting the stage for their eventual flight.

It also provoked the Palestinians to cruel repayment in kind. The Arab High Committee had its own secret weapon -- blond-haired British deserters, fighting on the side of the Palestinians. Nine days after the Jaffa bombing, some of these deserters, led by Eddie Brown, a former police corporal whose brother had been murdered by the Irgun, commandeered a postal delivery truck which they packed with explosives and detonated in the center of Haifa's Jewish quarter, injuring 50 people. Two weeks later, Brown, driving a stolen car and followed by a five-ton truck driven by a Palestinian in a police uniform, successfully passed through British and Haganah checkpoints and entered Jerusalem's New City. The driver parked in front of the Palestine Post, lit the fuse, and then escaped with Brown in his car. The newspaper headquarters was devastated with 1 dead and 20 wounded.

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This brief but furious exchange of car bombs between Arabs and Jews would enter into the collective memory of their conflict, but would not be resumed on a large scale until Israel and its Phalangist allies began to terrorize West Beirut with bombings in 1981: a provocation that would awake a Shiite sleeping dragon. Meanwhile, the real sequel was played out in Saigon: a series of car and motorcycle bomb atrocities in 1952-53 that Graham Greene incorporated into the plot of his novel, The Quiet American, and which he portrayed as secretly orchestrated by his CIA operative Alden Pyle, who is conspiring to substitute a pro-American party for both the Viet-Minh (upon whom the actual bombings would be blamed) and the French (who are unable to guarantee public safety).

The real-life Quiet American was the counterinsurgency expert Colonel Edward Lansdale (fresh from victories against peasant Communists in the Philippines), and the real leader of the ‘Third Force' was his protégé, General Trinh Minh The of the Cao Dai religious sect. There is no doubt, writes The's biographer, that the general "instigated many terrorist outrages in Saigon, using clockwork plastic charges loaded into vehicles, or hidden inside bicycle frames with charges. Notably, the Li An Minh blew up cars in front of the Opera House in Saigon in 1952. These ‘time-bombs' were reportedly made of 50-kg ordnance, used by the French air force, unexploded and collected by the Li An Minh."

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/76140/mike_davis_on_the_history_of_the_car_bomb
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:18 AM
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11. you might want to read Carters Palestine book
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 07:23 PM
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8. He's a very good soul he knows the score, but most of all his bibel which is for peace & charity.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:26 AM
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12. Jimmy couldn't risk offending Indonesia ...
because his conceited ego might have been offended.

In the case of Indonesia's illegal invasion and occupation of East Timor, Carter followed a similar path. In late 1977, when Indonesia was actually running out of military equipment, his administration authorized a dramatic increase in arms sales to Jakarta. And over the next several months, the Carter White House approved sales of fighter jets and ground-attack bombers to Indonesia's Suharto regime, whose military employed them in East Timor to bomb and napalm the population into submission. An Australian parliamentary commission would later characterize the period as one of "indiscriminate killing on a scale unprecedented in post-World War II history."


http://www.etan.org/et2002c/december/08-14/11beyond.htm

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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:36 PM
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15. No American president has clean hands.
That's not to clear Carter of his faults and his wrongs. I'm just glad at least he changed for the better after he left office, a thing that can't be said of George H.W. Bush.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:50 PM
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16. Mature and principled
No wonder he is so widely despised.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:25 AM
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17. Taking back the debate over Israel (Salon.com)
Taking back the debate over Israel

Sick of right-wing Jews speaking in their name, progressive American Jews have launched J Street to change the way the game is played in Washington.


For years, liberal American Jews who have chafed under the taboo against criticizing Israel have dreamed of starting a political organization that would speak for them. Now, with the launch of J Street, that dream has become a reality.

Jeremy Ben-Ami, the group's founder, says that the incident that drove him over the edge took place when he was working as policy director for Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign. Dean said the U.S. should take an "evenhanded" approach to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, Ben-Ami recalled. He was immediately, and predictably, savaged as anti-Israeli and a coddler of terrorists. "All hell broke loose," Ben-Ami said. "And this from a man who's married to a Jewish woman, who's raising kids in the Jewish faith, and is extremely pro-Israel in everything he'd ever said and done. But to use that one word, and then to have that cascade into a torrent, was just amazing to me. And it's certainly been repeated and magnified with the attacks on Obama and some of his aides, some of them crossing any line that any of us should have about civil discourse."

There are few political relationships more fraught than that between American Jews and Israel. As the national emblem of Jewish identity, Israel is seen by many Jews as sacrosanct. Some Jews passionately identify with Israel and its policies and angrily reject any criticism of it, often attacking critics as anti-Semites or self-hating Jews. But even those Jews who privately harbor misgivings about Israel's policies often keep their opinions to themselves because the subject is simply too charged. Anyone, Jewish or not, who dares to say or write anything critical about Israel quickly learns that they have poked a hornet's nest.

What makes the subject especially sensitive -- and keeps many people, including most journalists, from going anywhere near it -- is that, far more than any other issue, it splits the progressive and intellectual community. Speaking more plainly, it divides one's friends and colleagues -- sometimes even one's family. Jews have always played a prominent role in America's progressive and intellectual circles. And if you have a connection to those circles and you criticize Israel, you are almost certain to deeply offend or anger someone whom you respect, like, and have many things in common with. Small wonder that, as former Israeli official Daniel Levy told me, most people, Jews and non-Jews alike, "decide to sit this one out. It's more of a headache than it's worth."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/04/29/j_street/index.html
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