WV (Superdelegate) Endorses Obama in Spite of Hillary Win

[jefferson_dem]

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[FrenchieCat]

1. That West Virginian Representative is an excellent surrogate for Obama!

Wow!

[Jakes Progress]

13. Yes he is.

Talk one way. Vote another.

[Tyler Durden]

2. According to Obama Supporters, weren't SD to listen to the PEOPLE?

Yeah right, unless it goes against what you want.

[jefferson_dem]

3. Did you not watch the video?

Rahall is listening to "the people." He makes a rather convincing case for how Obama is the presumptive nominee and it's time for all Dems to rally behind him.

[Tyler Durden]

4. Sorry, you folks said SD's should listen to how the people in their areas VOTED.

Of course, if that doesn't support Obama, it's meaningless. :sarcasm:

Seeing as all you can do is call the Clinton Campaign a bunch of liars, perhaps you'd better not fudge your past statements. Or did you "misspeak?"

[lander]

5. Tyler Durden doesn't actually exist.

I'm going to assume I'm in some fugue state, and that I'm going to wake up with bruises later on.

But Obama will still be President in November, so I'll just shrug it off.

[Tyler Durden]

14. So much for "Honest Obie" and his merry band of supporters.

Jesus you people have such short memories.

[jefferson_dem]

6. "You folks"? Get a grip.

You can no more paint me with the statements of others than I can say these WV Hillaryphiles represent you.



Personally, I have never said each and every superdelegate should serve as a delegate for some state or local constituency. However, I have said the SDs MUST not overturn the will of the body of Democratic voters and caucusers. That is...if we still want to call ourselves the "democratic" party.

Capiche.

[murielm99]

7. "What? What did I do? I didn't do nothing."

You sound like a seventh grader. It has been said here ad nauseam, whether you said it personally or not. It has been agreed with by most of the Obama supporters who post here.

You would be screeching or agreeing with the screechers if it was the other way around. Or you would be the 109th k&r for a worthless thread full of screeching. You Obama supporters say you are not a part of groupthink, but I can read and I see the groupthink every day.

Unless you post a discussion or disagreement with this view and you can point to it, give me a break. And the posting of that ridiculous picture, just to give it exposure shows me who you are.

[jefferson_dem]

8. Unless you can show me a post where you disagree with opposing Obama because his middle name is...

"Hussian"...like your fellow Hillary supporters in that pic do...I'll just have to assume you think that way too.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

9. I like the zebra stripes on that supporter

it shows an open mind.



Or that the Hussians are coming

[murielm99]

10. I have been called a racist and a number of other names

here for so long that I no longer care what you or any other DU Obama supporter say. I will not search, but early on I posted in a thread suggesting that Obama supporters embrace his middle name, repeat it themselves, and greet republicans who expresse distaste over it with ridicule.

Other than that, I stand by everything I said to you. Most of you have gone so far over the top that I am ashamed to acknowledge that you and I are in the same party.

[Tyler Durden]

16. 1 out of 16

That's all of the Clinton Supporters you people have to alienate to make 1972 look like a Democratic Landslide.

Why don't you guys just be honest for a change? Instead, you post a countercharge with a picture of YAHOOS.

REAL mature.

[Tyler Durden]

15. Which seems to ME to sound like WV SD's should respect their voters...

Just like the SD's that Jesse Jackson spent time talking to.

[Petrushka]

21. Does Rahall really endorse Obama--"in spite of Hillary win" in West Virginia--or isn't it a FACT

his endorsement was made a day or two prior to a Hillary win (**ta-duh**) IN OHIO?

I mean: Who ARE "the people" Rahall listens to, eh? :shrug:

Edited to add the following URL:

http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/507134.html?nav=515



P.S.
I, for one, am unable to watch the video due to slo-o-ow dial-up, antique PC, and really olde software.

[happygoluckytoyou]

11. john "THE REPUBLICAN" mccain.... say it loud and its almost like braying

[Tyler Durden]

17. Barack "Two Faced" Obama. Seems like this is what you advocate.

[Voice for Peace]

12. John McBush! Too Much! This must be a nickname they're using around the halls of Congress

[Tyler Durden]

18. And you really are a peace advocate....

LOVE your bumper sticker. I like being told because I don't support your candidate, I have no conscience.

[jwlashta]

19. The fact is...

You make a good point about the super-delegate's pledged support once you get past all the rhetoric and negativity.

I personally think that Obama is a better presidential candidate, but at the same time I completely agree that a Democratic super-delegate should represent the will of his or her Democratic constituency: it's democratic (and, in stating the obvious, by not doing so that SD is essentially claiming that he or she knows better than the people or that his or her opinion is correct despite the people). Unfortunately, it is not happening on either side of the party.

Why does it seem that every thread that gets started is or turns into Clinton bashing or Obama bashing? It's as if the Democratic Party has split into two. People will always disagree on issues, but what is happening here is quite shameful.

[Tyler Durden]

20. Agreed.

It just ticked me off, the bragging about some WV SD turncoating like it was the "honorable" thing to do.

I am beginning to think this is the evolution of political parties, acted out in our time; schisms must be part of the lifespan of them, and we see ours start to fracture. It is after all much older than the Republican Party, and they have already degenerated into despotism.

It might BE as Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus said: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out."

[Petrushka]

24. "...some WV SD turncoating...."? Nah! It can't be "turncoating" when a WV SD didn't CHANGE

the endorsement he made without listening to "the people" in his OWN state. I mean: Rahall endorsed Obama NOT after Hillary won the primary in every one of West Virginia's 55 counties but BEFORE the primary in OHIO!

http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/507135.html?nav=515


P.S.
Forgive what LOOKS like shouting: I haven't figured out, yet, how to emphasize text with italics, etc.



:kick:

[Voice for Peace]

23. My understanding about superdelegates is not that they ought to be bound to the vote of their state

but that ideally they will support the candidate, all things considered, who will be best for the party - to a large extent based on the overall election results - with the option to overturn those results if the 'people's choice' is going to damage the party's chances.

[jwlashta]

25. Well my friend...

that's not democracy.

Sure, many super-delegates use the same the line of thinking as you do, but the rest run with my rationale. I agree with the latter because it's democratic--viz., representing the will of the people rather than the will of party officials.

[Voice for Peace]

26. Not all the SD's are elected officials, though. I think representing the will of the people

on a national level -- rather than according to their state -- is legitimate, democratically speaking.

Though I don't think the whole SD thing has much to do with democracy. I also don't like the idea of them overturning the consensus of the people of the country simply because they don't like the people's choice...

OTOH, the local pledged delegates ought to respect the votes of the people who've elected them directly in their primaries/caucuses.

[Voice for Peace]

22. Yikes.. not sure how to take your comment so I'll have a grain of salt.

I'm hoping you're not implying that I am telling you that -- I'm not.

My bumper sticker doesn't have anything to do with other candidates. I have absolutely no doubt that every human being has a conscience. Not that everyone pays attention to it, but it's there.

And.. I am a peace advocate. Everyone needs peace, just like we need water and food and sleep. Real peace, not just on the outside, but inside of us.

When the bitter controversy was all the rage, I felt that the innate ability of people to think, feel, and judge for themselves was being demeaned by all the spin.

I consider myself a thinking person with a conscience, and I'm supporting Obama, it's as simple as that. Really. I'm nobody's enemy.