Screaming at the DNC on April 30....another protest May 31. Why is LULAC doing this?

[madfloridian]

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Yes, they are actually going to do this all over again on May 31. Yes, they really are. This is like the 2000 election with the GOP thugs banging on the windows during the recount.

This event was organized largely by LULAC and FDR (no relation to the real FDR).

Yes, that is Corinne Brown whom you see screaming and waving her arms.

"We will shut down the convention!" exclaimed Rep. Corrine Brown. "If we are not seated, then nobody is going to be seated!"

Brown, a superdelegate pledged to Clinton, addressed a crowd of about 150 who had been bused up to D.C. from Florida this week under the auspices of LULAC, an Hispanic advocacy group. Though Brown and another super who spoke -- Rep. Hilda Solis -- are in the Clinton camp, organizers went out of their way to remove any hint that they favored one or the other Democrat in the race. Many in the crowd wore T-shirts with the name of each Democratic candidate, from Kucinich to Dodd to Richardson to Obama, printed across the back in the shape of a rainbow. There was but one Hillary '08 shirt or button to be seen.

"We're not supposed to talk about that," confided Harriet Meltzer, 83, a member in good standing of the Del Ray Democratic Club, though she allowed that she was, in fact, a Clinton supporter. "What's he going to do when he goes to the Middle East?" she asked of Obama, who she deems to be lacking in experience. "Charm them?"

Debbie Wasserman Schultz was also there.

Speaking to the crowd, Wasserman Schultz suggested that disregarding the Jan. 29 primary ballot choices of 1.7 million Florida Democratic primary voters could alienate these voters in a key presidential swing-state.

“We can’t begin this general election with one hand tied behind our back,” Wasserman Schultz said.

They got vicious toward Howard Dean, who was in CT.

...."Protesters eventually turned their ire on Howard Dean, literally calling him out with taunting chants of, "Be a man, Howard!" and "Where is Howard!?"

I don't think the MSNBC coverage was very well done as far as realizing this was a pretty much fake event. They fell down on the job.

I find it unfortunate that a group like League of United Latin American Citizens is seeking to undermine the November elections.

Often lately I see local articles and snippets on the news that tell about how Florida's Hispanic community is going Democratic. I would hate to think they are only going Democratic if Hillary wins.

This letter in a local paper today disturbed me. It is indeed a threat by the writer that they and their friends will stay home in November if Hillary is not the nominee.

Hillary Clinton, Florida delegates

am a Hillary Clinton supporter and am outraged that the vote in Florida may not count with the Democratic National Committee. We had no choice in the voting date and should not be punished for that decision.

Florida has a history of voting issues. This is the last straw. I, as a lifelong Democrat, and my family as well, cannot support Barack Obama. I will stay home on voting day if he is the candidate, as will the rest of my family.

As a businesswoman with many customers who express their views daily, trust me, I am not alone. Many of my customers who are Hispanic love Hillary and will not support Obama.

If you want to carry the great state of Florida, Hillary must be the Democratic choice.

Countdown covered the false protest quite well. Video with Olbermann and Chris Kofinis, former Edwards' staffer.

Countdown: Hillary Stages False Protest 4-30-08

They called it a "spontaneous manufactured event."

[KaryninMiami]

1. It boggles the mind- they will not give up - just like their candidate.

They make me sick- and I hope we can find someone to run against Debbie next time- I've had it with her for good. Thanks to her, I will not donate a dime to the Florida Dems- and I'm sure I speak for many who feel the very same way.

[madfloridian]

4. They should cancel the May 31 one. It is just wrong.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. LULAC is a wonderful organization

This really breaks my heart.

[madfloridian]

3. I agree. I wonder why.

Someone who is a member needs to ask why.

[bluestateguy]

5. Rules are a bitch, aren't they?

And how inconvenient that we actually decided to enforce them this year.

[Clovis Sangrail]

6. they really need to take their protest to the

offices of their local dems who voted to drag the state into this mess.

[shenmue]

7. Why not?

It's called democracy, and I know you Obama worshipers don't like it, but some of us still know what it means.

[madfloridian]

8. OKAY....so you are one of them democracy believers..

Hell, us Obama folk don't believe in such stuff.

:sarcasm:

Some people should know when it is time to stop, and let it go.

[dchill]

13. Democracies have rules.

Or don't they?

[kevinbgoode]

15. Whine to the Florida legislature and the state Democratic party.

And then ask Florida voters why they keep electing Republicans to the state assembly so they can disenfranchise Democrats.

[ima_sinnic]

22. oh boo hoo, you think it means making up the rules as you go along

and HillBillary will STILL lose, after all your infantile whining, foot-stomping, pouting, and fake outrage. Complain to the fake DLC-"democrats" like Bill Nelson who brought this about. Nelson sat for years doing nothing about Bush's war crimes except tacitly endorsing them, but subverting the Democratic Party has given that kiss-ass wimp-dick new life. It seems to be the ONLY thing he cares about, or has ever cared about.

[TechBear_Seattle]

9. "What's (Obama) going to do when he goes to the Middle East? Charm them?"

What's Clinton going to do when she goes to the Middle East? Jump up and down while screaming, "It's not fair!"

I have absolutely no illusions that, if it had been Obama who won the primary, Clinton's camp would instead be shouting, "Rules are rules, and you broke the rules!"

Added: And notice that even Clinton supporters are saying, "When Obama," not "If Obama."

[Jakes Progress]

10. You vill follow der rules.

It ist verbotten to not do this. It is the way ve allvays haf done this. We are about doing vot ve haf allvays done?

Change? Unity? A new Way? Not us. We will defend the rules (if they help us) We sill stand firm. We will go down with the ship.

[provis99]

57. so Democrats are Nazis?

Go back to freeperville.

[ima_sinnic]

23. intelligence is not a strong suit of low-info (Hillary) voters. in addition. "obliteration"

is seen as some kind of viable "policy" by her repuke-lite supporters.

[gristy]

11. In a march in Washington a few years back, when we were protesting the war,

there was a counter-protest group that "infiltrated" our group en-mass with very large signs. I and many others had been "deputized" with nothing but an orange vest and some simple instructions. We were told to surround the group and simply shout them down. Didn't matter what we yelled, but to yell our heads off. The reaction of the targeted folks was clear. They wilted. They wilted simply because of the noise. Their chants couldn't be heard. It was so loud they couldn't even think. That we were all in orange vests helped too, I think. We marched all of them across the street without touching a single one.

There were 150 people in this "spontaneous manufactured event." An equal number of democracy-loving folks in orange vests and vocal cords intact could put a serious wrench in any planned May 31 "protest".

[dchill]

12. Will she be able to stop them...

even if she wants to? I have doubts.

[madfloridian]

16. I think some words from her would help.

They are doing it for her, so there must be something she can do.

[dchill]

14. "spontaneous manufactured event."

Indeed. Just subtract the "spontaneous" part.

[Sancho]

17. I am a Floridian who wouldn't act this way, but it was predicable to me.

I posted a few months ago that it would be much better to find a solution (even if it meant bending the rules) whether it meant having a revote, punishing the Fl leadership and seating the delegates anyway, whatever, but that letting it go would likely mean criticism of Dean, possible court action, and certainly loud protests that could even affect the general election...this may be just the beginning.

Maybe Schultz and Brown will disappear, but I doubt it.

Did Nelson say anything? If he wasn't there, he knew about it.



:dem:

[madfloridian]

18. 48 states would have protested seating the delegates.

Even if the superdelegates were excluded.

Making peace was not a goal once Hillary demanded the delegates.

Waiting for it to play out was really the only way.

Putting the blame on the ones enforcing the rules was unconscionable.

[Sancho]

19. The biggest danger is still a crazy court ruling...

After 2000, there's no telling what some judge or panel of judges might do if there is no resolution.

It seems that some of the Florida leadership should pay for getting into this mess. I'm not blaming Dean, but some will simply blame him because it is an easy target. Likely Karen Thurman has to go over this.

Our local state representatives are either republican or else they tell me that the state leadership makes the call on some things (like primary dates) and they will usually go along with it. I doubt that many who voted for the date change anticipated the outcome.

I suspect that most "regular voters" who don't pay attention to primary rules and things don't care when the date is, but they think that their trip to the precinct should count for something. Unfortunately, there are enough of those people to give Brown and Schultz an audience on TV.

Thanks for keeping us informed.

[madfloridian]

20. There is still a lawsuit pending...suing Dean for discriminating against whites in FL

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2024

I guess it just shows how low FL has sunk. Hopefully some will realize it and try to redeem us later.

[Enrique]

21. comparing it to the thugs in 2000 is out of line

[madfloridian]

25. No, watch the video. It is not out of line.

[Gman]

24. I hope they shut the whole damn thing down

It's at the point that these people are being discriminated against for reasons of race and viewpoint.

[madfloridian]

26. LULAC is an Hispanic group. They are doing the screaming at the party.

They are rounding up Hillary's supporters to go to DC, but they tell them to wear other shirts and not talk about who they are.

[Gman]

31. Here in Texas, my South Texas delegation to the State Convention

is 70% Hillary and probably 60% Hispanic out of 225 Delegates. My predominantly Hispanic precinct went 90% Hillary out of 130 attendees. I am well aware of LULAC. The General Counsel for the local chapter is in my State Convention delegation.

If anyone at all thinks it's a secret that LULAC and the Hispanic community in general support Hillary they're not very aware of what's going on in this campaign. People where there is a small Mexican-American population have no idea how strong the support for Hillary is. If you live in S Texas, and on through the Southwest up to Los Angeles it is very clear.

And that's another of Obama's November problems. Hispanics are not going to vote for a Black. That's the way it is, that's the way it has always been and nothing in the near future will change that. Without the HIspanic vote, Obama has no chance of carrying Texas (which is a big state which Obama can't carry anyway),or New Mexico. And Obama will have a rough go of it in California too. California will be a lot closer than anyone can imagine right now mainly because of the Hispanic community's complete ambivalence at best and dislike of Obama. And it's mainly because he's Black.

Obama also needs the HIspanice community in other Southern states like Georgia and Florida where the Mexican America population is growing at a rapid rate. Again, they won't turn out for Obama.

But as for LULAC running some kind of stealth campaign and denying who they are? HA! Whoever claims that sure doesn't know who they're dealing with.

Hillary is personally very in touch with the Hispanic community in states that have already had primaries. This isn't over by a long shot. You don't just disenfranchise 1.7 million Democrats and expect people to lie down and take it.

[madfloridian]

32. That is not what I said.

If you watch the Countdown video at the end, you will see what I meant.

They were wearing shirts with names of other candidates on them....that is misleading.

If LULAC and other hispanic groups make a big deal about not voting for a black....of course they won't.

They will go Republican, which they would probably do here in FL anyway.

I am damn tired of the lies and misrepresentation.

Anyone defending that terrible rally really does not care about winning.

Let LULAC have its yelling and angry rallies, let them vote McCain.

What the hell ever.

This country should be beyond any kind of racism, and you are appearing to be saying it is ok for Hispanics to be that way. It is NOT

[Gman]

34. I didn't say it was OK

I said that's the way it is and nothing's going to change that in the near future.

Anyone that's out of touch with what's going on and gets supposedly fooled probably doesn't matter anyway.

[madfloridian]

40. You think it is ok for an Hispanic group to push it?

I don't.

[Gman]

42. It's their right to push it as hard and as far as they want

this is still America, I think.

[madfloridian]

43. Of course it is their right. But is it in our party's interest?

Or is it in Hillary's interest and that of the Republicans.

They can scream and yell all they want and say that Obama can not be electable.

Is it wise?

[Gman]

44. It is the wisest to shout it loud and clear that Obama is not electable

lest the party snatch sure defeat from the looming jaws of victory.

[madfloridian]

46. Shame on you for saying he is not electable. So destructive for our party.

.

[Gman]

51. No shame at all in the honest truth

[haymakeragain]

52. Hillary is not electable. The tidal wave of Repubic voters showing up

in Nov. to vote against Hillary will be a disaster for the down ballot. It will be the rallying cry of all rallying cries "Stop Hillary!!!!"

Duh. I cannot even count how many people I know personally who are usually pretty politically passive who get all worked up about hillobeans.

Just vote McSame and get it over with, we don't give a fuck.

[Beacool]

54. Oops, now they're really going to jump all over you.

:eyes:

[madfloridian]

35. I read your post again. Hillary has done a damn fine job of catapulting propaganda

A toast to her. She is the master of division and propaganda. And her hubby ain't far behind her.

:toast:

And FYI...it is NOT okay for Hispanics to be biased against blacks.

And for LULAC and Hillary to encourage it is sinful.

I know many here who respect Obama a lot, and would vote for him comfortably.

[truedelphi]

36. I don't think the situation between California and Texas is all that comparable.

The reason that Hispanics make up so much of the population in california is because of
those who are here legally having large(r) families and the new surge of newly arriving immigrants in the late 1980's and early 1990's. Many who are considered part and parcel of the one third of all Californias being Latino/a are mere children, if not babies.

Many who are older latinos are not involved politically and are not registered to vote. In Northern California, maybe one latino/a out of twenty is registered, inside communities of new arrivals.

[Gman]

37. There seems to be varying opinions around

One thing you can look to was the turnout for the immigration rallies that happened in California. Even I was surprised by the massive turnout of demonstrators.

I don't live in CA so I don't know for sure. I can tell you that in Texas among Hispanics, Obama is a non-starter.

[truedelphi]

38. The largest of the democstratinons was in Los Angeles - which has a relationship to the border

Far north of that, some seven or eight hours by car, San Francisco area is impacted by heavy immigration. I know that some four or five years ago, in Marin County, politicians were told that a block of 20,000 Latinos would be voting for or against the pols (depending on the views of the pols)

And then only 1,000 Latinos turned out to even be registered and able to vote.

It is easier for someone to march in a march than to vote. Marching en masse, a person doesn't need to worry about the authorities, usually. But going into the voting booth, you might well be asked for identification of some sort.

[Gman]

39. I never ran across an Hispanic coyote

(one who gets people to the polls to vote) who didn't greatly overexagerate how many people he/she can get out to the polls. But they still want their going price to do it. Fact is, if in the general election if you don't pay them, they'll go to the GOP and they will. Phil Gramm used to do that in South Texas. He was usually the highest bidder.

Hispanics are a strange demographic. Far too many are low wage earners with little education while some have risen in affluence. They don't stray far from where they grew up and because of that they get locked into low wage jobs even though they may even be degreed. That is not what characterizes people who are known to vote.

In any event, I've not seen enthusiasm in the Hispanic community for a presidential candidate as it is for Hillary since Bill and before that John Kennedy. They are totally committed to Hillary as are millions of others across the country.

Like I said, this is far from over.

[madfloridian]

41. You really are an authority....saying how a whole group will vote.

I would not do that.

[democracy1st]

50. So you're saying that Hispanics are that racist that they will vote McCian over Obama?

[democracy1st]

49. Is this all happening because he's black ?

[madfloridian]

58. Ostensibly not.

But that is in play, just not mentionable.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. I don't understand your faux outrage of the week? They want their votes to count

They support Clinton. ARe they not allowed to protest? I don't understand your faux outrage of the week..

[madfloridian]

28. This is no longer about Hillary Clinton. It is about our party and our country.

And those who do not understand that are going to give it all right back to the Republicans.

[Evergreen Emerald]

29. I personally think all votes should count. Even votes for Obama.

[madfloridian]

30. I don't think any votes should count unless I say so.

:sarcasm:

Stop the silly accusations. They are hurting us all.

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[McCamy Taylor]

45. If we are going to throw LULAC under the bus, I will quit DU.

Enough is enough. When we start shitting on the next lower minority group, because they happen to want their vote to count too, that is going a bit too far.

I believe that we should be celebrating the fact that Latinos bring with them a culture that does not stand down and sit down in front of the TV and said "What the hell, man? I'm just one guy against the system. There is nothing that I can do." If Latinos get stepped on, they get out in the streets and make their voices heard. If you have been to Mexico, you have seen it. If you pay attention to the news at home you have seen it. If you have watched the recent resurgence in unions you know that it is the Latino immigrant that will save organized labor in this country, because unlike whites and Blacks, Latinos have not yet been brainwashed into thinking that they are powerless.

And then we get this kind of talk at DU, trying to convince Latinos to shut up and act powerless like the rest of the oppressed people in America.

[haymakeragain]

53. More faux outrage.

What's the next ridiculous scheme to come from the Hillobeans campaign? Whatever it is, it will work about as well as the rest, not good enough.

[madfloridian]

56. You made your point in the post in which you called me out.

I made my point again in the post.

LULAC has every right to do whatever they want. My point is that organizing rallies and spreading divisiveness harms all of us.

I think you know that.

You posted an angry post to call me out when what I posted was clear and to the point.

[madfloridian]

47. LULAC sured the TX Democratic Party this month.

I did not know that.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_9208303?source=most_viewed

"SAN ANTONIO—The Texas Democratic Party was sued Friday by Latino advocacy groups that contend the complicated primary and caucus system used in the March 4 presidential primary unfairly diluted Latino votes.
The League of United Latin American Citizens of Texas and the Mexican American Bar Association of Houston sued in federal court, arguing the party failed to seek clearance required by the U.S. Justice Department for the so-called "Texas Two Step." The groups also argue the system effectively discriminates against Latino voters by giving them fewer delegates.

Texas Democrats distribute the state's 193 delegates using both a primary election and a caucus, but the distribution favors state Senate districts that had high voter turnout in the last presidential and gubernatorial elections.

In the March 4 election, that meant predominantly Hispanic districts, where turnout was low in 2004 and 2006, got fewer delegates than others, particularly urban, predominantly black districts. Latino districts favored Hillary Clinton; black districts favored Barack Obama.

"The manner used to allocate the delegates ... undervalues Latino Democratic voters and does not provide Latino voters with an equal opportunity to participate in the nominating process and to elect candidates of their choice," the lawsuit says."

[rocktivity]

48. How odd that CNN didn't think it was worth mentioning

WHY Florida was stripped of their delegates...

:eyes:
rocknation

[Beacool]

55. Good for LULAC!!!!

It's about time that Hispanics, the largest growing minority in this country, be counted.

The DNC wishes to disenfranchise FL? Well, then expect it to go Republican once again in November.

Hispanics as a group form a large part of Clinton's base of support. I campaigned in several states and it was the rare Hispanic household that preferred Obama over Clinton.

BTW, it's not about the brown-black nonsense that the MSM has been peddling. Hispanics are by and large very loyal and both Clintons have reached out to the community for many years, most Hispanics remember the good economy that we enjoyed when Bill was president.

Also, many consider Obama an inexperienced guy who's not ready for the job.