On this week: Sen. Joe Biden: Bush Should Fire Rice and Gates

[L. Coyote]

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During an interview on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Joe Biden points out
how hypocritical McCain's statements on appeasement were, talks about what the
alternatives are to not talking to enemies, points out all of the people that the
Bush administration has negotiated with, and says if Bush really believes what he
said about negotiating with Iran, then he should fire Condoleeza Rice and Bob Gates.

[caledesi]

1. Biden is smart and doesn't take any crap! NT

[gateley]

3. Yeah, he really is and no, he doesn't! nt

[bulloney]

19. about 15 minutes later, you heard from the other end of the intelligence spectrum - John Boehner.

Good lord, has there ever been a dumber House Minority Leader than that drunken womanizing idiot? All he did was tell how the Democrats don't have any solutions to offer.

To Snuffalopagus' credit, when Boner made the flippant remark that gasoline prices have increased $1.40 since Pelosi became House Speaker, he told Boner that you can hang the blame as easily on the Bush administration. Boner acted oblivious to the remark and kept on going with his "Democrats have offered no solutions" rhetoric.

[gateley]

2. Well I had to look up sophistry --

The practice of a sophist; fallacious reasoning; reasoning sound in appearance only.

The juggle of sophistry consists, for the most part, in usig a word in one sense in the premise, and in another sense in the conclusion

His bad opponent's "facts" he sweeps away,
And drags his sophistry to light of day;
Then swears they're pushed to madness who resort
To falsehood of so desperate a sort.
Not so; like sods upon a dead man's breast,
He lies most lightly who the least is pressed.

Polydore Smith


Biden, as usual, nailed it.

Recommend -- and thanks!

EDIT -- Jeez, I misspelled 'sophistry' in the subject line. :eyes:

[L. Coyote]

5. great find that gem on sophistry

His reasoning opponent's "facts" he lies away,
And drags his sophistry to propagandize US;
Then swears they're pushed to violent resort
To hide their falsehood of so desperate a sort.
Like sods upon 4,000 dead soldiers breasts,
His lies not lightly on US all are still pressed.

[gateley]

8. Excellent!! nt

[Clear Blue Sky]

4. How did he vote on the confirmation hearings of Rice and Gates?

[opihimoimoi]

6. Whot that got to do with firing the SOBs?

[gateley]

11. His point is that even Bush's "people" are

encouraging "talking" to Iran, while at the same time Bush is saying he's against it.

[jillan]

7. Lol - the RNC has already put out a statement to refute Biden's defense of Obama.

http://newsblaze.com/story/2008051809530300001.pnw/newsblaze/POLITICS/Politics.html

hehehe...

[gateley]

9. Interesting that they feel Biden's statement

is powerful enough to warrant such a strong response!

They KNOW people listen to him!

[Jennifer C]

12. Speaks volumes

[mikehiggins]

15. I read the RNC stuff about no preconditions and, frankly,

I don't get it. What's their point? Clearly Obama has a clearer idea of how diplomacy works than any of the clowns in D.C. do. Is that the point the RNC wants to make? The Dem is lightyears smarter and more canny than either Bush or McSame?

Hell, we already knew that.

[rsmith6621]

10. Obama/ Biden

......That is a White House Dream Team.....We need this type of integrity.

[barbtries]

18. 'm thinking biden for secretary of state

seems like a no brainer to me.

[ToughLuck]

13. K/R this baby..Biden you rock once again!!!!!!

[L. Coyote]

14. The REAL Straight Talk dude! n/t

[stlsaxman]

16. "I'm trying to be polite- maybe I shouldn't..."

Polite is the ONLY thing you might stop doing, Joe!

you keep on doing what you're doing!

[barbtries]

17. 5th rec

obviously of course this administration never admits they're wrong about anything whatsoever. they lie so facilely - for instance dana perino recently saying "we don't torture" gw years after his secret spying program was well under way, "there is a warrant. nothing has changed" not to mention the 935 plus lies leading up to the war. if it looks like something they said might have been another foot in the mouth, then they didn't say that. easy.

[wisteria]

20. He is a little late in suggesting this. Senator Kerry said the very same thing days ago.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=56036§ionid=3510203

[jillan]

21. Biden said it the same day as boosh made those remarks.

This is just from his interview today.

Biden and Kerry - they are always right on top of things.

[L. Coyote]

22. Hardball: Joe Biden On Bush's Appeasement Comments - Fri May-16-08

L. Coyote Fri May-16-08 08:42 AM - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x133133
Hardball: Joe Biden On Bush's Appeasement Comments

gateley Fri May-16-08 08:53 AM - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x133140
Sen. Biden Appears on MSNBC Morning Joe

gateley Fri May-16-08 08:41 AM - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x133130
Biden Talks with John Roberts on CNN American Morning

Biden - Bush' Nazi Appeaser Comment Bull****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKyN9QooHRE
Added: May 15, 2008 (Less info)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0508/Biden_Bushs_comments_were_bullshit.html
Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) on President Bush's speech in Israel today:

"This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement."

Speaking before the Knesset, Bush said that "some people" believe the United States "should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along."

"We have heard this foolish delusion before," Bush said. "As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

Democrats have interpreted the comments as an attack on Sen. Barack Obama, and Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that the president was out of line.

"He is the guy who has weakened us," he said. "He has increased the number of terrorists in the world. It is his policies that have produced this vulnerability that the U.S. has. It's his intelligence community has pointed this out, not me."

Biden noted that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have both suggested that the United States ought to find a way to talk more with its enemies.

"If he thinks this is appeasement, is he going to come back and fire his own cabinet?" Biden asked. "Is he going to fire Condi Rice?"

In a separate statement, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) said that Bush "is still playing the disgusting and dangerous political game Karl Rove perfected, which is insulting to every American and disrespectful to our ally Israel. George Bush should be making Israel secure, not slandering Barack Obama from the Knesset."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) also weighed in.

"Not surprisingly, the engineer of the worst foreign policy in our nation's history has fired yet another reckless and reprehensible round," said Reid. "For the President to make this statement before the government of our closest ally as it celebrates a remarkable milestone demeans this historic moment with partisan politics."

The White House insists that Bush wasn't referring specifically to Obama, an argument that Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) called "baloney."

"There is no escaping what the president is doing," said Durbin, who supports Obama. "It is an attack on Sen. Obama's position that we should not be avoiding even those we disagree with when it comes to negotiations and diplomacy."

Durbin called Bush's remarks "unfair and really unfortunate."

UPDATE: In a conference call with reporters later in the afternoon, Biden said his initial word choice was "not very eloquent" and said he should have just stuck with the word "malarkey." Biden said he "reacted viscerally" when asked about Bush's speech after stepping off an elevator.

However, Biden again did not mince words when discussing Bush's remarks, accusing the president of engaging in "long-distance swiftboating" with his speech in Israel. Biden also cited numerous examples of the Bush Administration reaching out to unfriendly regimes in Libya, North Korea and Iran, arguing that Bush's insinuation that the Democrats were soft on terrorism was "truly delusional ... and truly disgraceful."

[indepat]

23. repigs bringing sophistry and hypocrisy to hereto unparalleled levels

:D