Bush Rejects Osama Surrender - 02.21.2001

[merh]

Run time: 00:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDvVZ2Gn-9g   Posted on YouTube: September 29, 2006 By YouTube Member: zedalis Views on YouTube: 20568   Posted on DU: February 15, 2007 By DU Member: merh Views on DU: 8281

 
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So a reporter asks the White House Press Secretary about a deal that the Taliban has offered in FEBRUARY OF 2001 to hand over Osama to Saudi Arabia if sanctions are dropped and the White House reply was:

"Let me take that and get back to you on that."

They didn't even know who Osama was and they did not consider it important to consider, let alone take the deal for the hand over of Osama and 9 months later our nation was attacked and 3000 unsuspecting and innocent people died.

I truly hate this administration.

[unpossibles]

1. K&R n/t

[maxrandb]

2. OMFG! Hannity will be all over this today!

Bush had the Saudi's hand Osama Bin Laden's head to him on a silver platter, and he turns them down???

How this didn't make the ABC 9/11 Documentary is beyond me.

:sarcasm:

[IsItJustMe]

45. Hannity is a Repuke demagog that carries water for the chimp. The only question is, if he covers it

How will he slant it.

[Old and In the Way]

3. Ari might not have known who Osama was, but George Bush certainly did.

Heck, the bin Laden's were probably friends of the family....sitting on the Carlyle Group BOD and early investors in George the Dimmer's early failed business ventures. No wonder they didn't want to go after OBL and made sure the family members of Royal Family and the bin Laden's all flew home while the rest of the US was on flight lockdown.

[Amonester]

10. And they've made a "miraculous" bundle ever since the AWOL ...

Liar decided to send young people murder thousands of innocents for oil in Iraq and billions R going into MIC's coffers at the expense of the taxpayers... and, the..., the little nitwit is still pResident!

Zero subpenas in 6 years!! Unbelievable!

[sam sarrha]

21. probably grew up with him.. tormented or abused the House keepers together

[Canuckistanian]

22. I have this recuring image...

Of a young George Bush and a young Osama bin Laden playing together on the swings while their daddies were inside making deals with oil money.

[freebrew]

4. Still delusional?

Anyone actually still believes that OBL had ANYTHING to do with 9-11?

Other than take credit for it...

[12string]

30. Osama

I realize that regular Joe six-pack American and the wife
aren't very well informed by the mainstream media so I'm not
surprised by the comments they make.(regurgitated rethuglican
spin)What I don't understand is how a person can spend any
time searching for the truth,reading the wealth of information
available on the internet,and not being able to digest the
fact that Osama had nothing to do with 9/11 other than using
the fact that this administration insisted he was responsible
to his advantage.When your denials fall on deaf ears,with no
chance of proving your innocense,then using it is the only
logical thing to be done.Has anyone here ever been in a
situation where they were wrongly accused of something so
steadfastly that in the end you cave and accept whatever just
to be able to move on?I apologize for rambling here,my point
is if you are going to go beyond MSM,use your ability to think
and reason or you might be just as well off sticking with faux
news because apparently you just can't fathom more than
that.Go ahead,flame me,if it helps you think I'll weather the
storm.

[merh]

39. You'll find no flames here.

Many folks share your views and your frustrations.

How is it that so much information refuting the lies of this administration is out there, yet folks want to, no need to, believe the lies just to feel safe, just to believe that they are being protected?

Welcome to DU. :hi:

[freebrew]

47. I think that's what I was saying...

NT

[Fovea]

52. on caving in and admitting you are guilty

Back in the mid eighties, a woman falsely accused me of sexually assaulting her. Not to the police, but to my friends and co workers.

It took me four years to clear my name.
So I am a bit dubious about the caving in thing.
Not when your family can buy all the justice it wants.

Now, would it be to Osama's advantage to claim responsibility? Yes.

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. Yeah, this is gonna be ALL over

Faux News isnt it?:sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[redqueen]

6. Can we impeach them yet?

:banghead:

[Bitwit1234]

7. And the republic bastar*s are constantly lambasting Clinton

because he did not catch him when he bombed the camp where the CIA said he was. That has been the republic theme song for the last six years after the 9/11 attack. That's is all we have heard....WHERE IS THE MEDIA ON THIS...most of them probably still have their heads up bush's butt.

[wryter2000]

8. Thank you

I am so going to cram that down some freeper throats.

[Old Smokey]

9. i hope they ask him that everyday till he does answer that

and keep asking and keep pressing when he dodges that question.

[gasperc]

11. Oh yeah, that was in "PATH TO 9/11"

Don't any of you remember that scene? It was right after the scene where pigs flew out of Harvey Keitels butt when he said that Clinton WAS NOT to blame for 9/11.

I remember, don't you guys remember? Fox News was all over it like flies on shit, well Fox is always all over shit like flies, I mean shit sticks to them...no wait...what I mean is that they really pay attention to details...I mean...

[Shallah Kali]

12. Thanks for posting this video. Here is a longer clip of the Olbermann piece it was taken from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZzATQEeJYU

[slipslidingaway]

29. Thanks for the longer clip as I had already forgotten, just like

the press. :banghead:

You may also be interested in this link which I posted below.

"Bush's Voluminous Public Pre-9/11 Record on bin Laden"

http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20060926114229945

[Shallah Kali]

44. I too had forgotten, or blocked out, just how heinous the bush Administration was

also I only recently started watching Keith after reading some of his magnificent Special Comments so I had never seen this piece.

As for the press they have no excuse for forgetting. It is their JOB to remember.

[Stephanie]

13. they knew who he was

Richard Clarke had told them all about it. They knew.

[merh]

15. How about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ASBuh72Re8

[Stephanie]

16. hi friend!

can't look at video right now, will check it out later. :hi:

[merh]

17. hello backatcha friend!

check the video when you can, post it in it's own thread, it is a recap of their lies and what they knew.

The right doesn't care, they will defend them till they die and I am blue in the face trying to get them to understand.

Hope you and your mom are doing well - I'll never forget or be able to thank you for the support and care. :hug:

take good care :hi:

belated happy V day :loveya:

[Spoonerian]

14. Plus, immediately after the 9/11 spectacle

when Bush demanded that the Taliban hand over bin Laden and the Taliban responded by saying "show us the evidence that bin Laden was involved", Bush responded by saying that he didn't need to show them the evidence because he showed it to Tony Blair!

[JacksonWest]

24. Odd the Taliban would offer him in February, and not when we were ready to wipe them out in Sept.

This makes no sense. If the Taliban was ever willing to offer Osama to remove sanctions...why wouldn't they have done it when we asked, and spare their country and themselves the destruction that followed?

I'm calling bullshit. This falls into the "I want to believe" X files category.

[merh]

25. What are you babbling about?

This makes no sense. If the Taliban was ever willing to offer Osama to remove sanctions...why wouldn't they have done it when we asked, and spare their country and themselves the destruction that followed?

Your post makes no sense to me. Why do you think that it is not likely for the Taliban to offer Bin Laden in February 2001? That video seems to speak for itself, do you think that was a Gannon like plant just pitching questions to Ari?

If you are asking why the Taliban didn't offer him after 9/11, they did, read the thread and you will find links to the sources that discuss the offers (and the US refusal to accept them).

The only "X" file like part of this thread that I can find is your post that makes little, if any sense.

[dave420]

51. Well...

... seeing as you aren't a member of the Taliban, that's complete guesswork. It might not make any sense to you, but then it doesn't have to in order for it to make sense to others.

[merh]

61. I pegged ya when you posted.

heh.

[Gato Moteado]

18. wow

to quote the freeptards: "this is hugh!!!!111!!!

[MethuenProgressive]

19. A talking point that the Rightie omit -

- all they know is "Clinton did nothing"....

[struggle4progress]

20. Taliban renews, U.S. rejects bin Laden offer (CNN / 14 Oct 2001)

October 14, 2001 Posted: 5:44 p.m. EDT (2144 GMT)

U.S. warplanes pounded Afghanistan's southern city of Kandahar on Sunday, a day after the ruling Taliban's spiritual leader rejected another call to turn over suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.

The Taliban made an offer of their own Sunday, saying they would be willing to discuss giving bin Laden to a third country for trial if the United States ended its attacks and provided evidence of bin Laden's involvement in the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington.

The White House quickly rejected the offer, and President Bush said the U.S. position was "non-negotiable." ... http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/10/14/ret.retaliation.facts/


U.S. rejects Taliban offer to try bin Laden
October 7, 2001 Posted: 11:48 AM EDT (1548 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House on Sunday rejected an offer from Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to try suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan under Islamic law.

The offer came as the United States massed forces in southwest Asia for a possible strike against Afghanistan if the Taliban refuse to surrender bin Laden. A Bush administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, rejected the Taliban offer and repeated U.S. demands that bin Laden be turned over unconditionally.

The Taliban's ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, made the offer at a news conference in Islamabad. Zaeef said the Taliban would detain bin Laden and try him under Islamic law if the United States makes a formal request and presents them with evidence ...
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/10/07/ret.us.taliban/


Diplomats Met With Taliban on Bin Laden
Some Contend U.S. Missed Its Chance

By David B.Ottaway and Joe Stephens
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, October 29, 2001; Page A01

Over three years and on as many continents, U.S. officials met in public and secret at least 20 times with Taliban representatives to discuss ways the regime could bring suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden to justice.

Talks continued until just days before the Sept. 11 attacks, and Taliban representatives repeatedly suggested they would hand over bin Laden if their conditions were met, sources close to the discussions said ...

In interviews, U.S. participants and sources close to the Taliban discussed the exchanges in detail and debated whether the State Department should have been more flexible in its hard-line stance. Earlier this month, President Bush summarily rejected another Taliban offer to give up bin Laden to a neutral third country. "We know he's guilty. Turn him over," Bush said ...
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/US_met_taliban.htm

[Nevernever]

43. It seems pretty obvious that the US just wanted RETALIATION...

They (BushCo, UNOCAL and other BIG OIL interests) were extremely pissed off at the Taliban for their refusal to submit to blackmail, extortion and the inevitable EXPLOITATION in negotiating a NG pipeline through Afghani territory back in 2000.

You just do NOT say "no" to these people...

The refusal to join/accept the ICC, denigration and refusal to adhere to the Geneva Convention and warping of US domestic surveillance programs were prologue, 9/11 (aither LIHOP or MIHOP) was the pretext, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by PNAC was the game plan. Read it sometime and you will understand the disgusting parallels between Hitler /Mein Kampf and Bush/PNAC...

I don't like it, but it looks very much like all those little brown people shouting "Death to America" around the world have a pretty good argument...Seriously - this has harmed the reputation of the US abroad so badly that it's just NEVER going to go away. Look at UN votes since the invasion of Iraq and the installation of Bolton as ambassador - it's a particularly telling indication of the ABSOLUTE LACK of US support amongst the international community. The only reason "the coalition of the COERCED" joined the fight in Afghanistan and Iraq was fear of being cut out of the ultra-lucrative contracting process. Who can say how much pressure the US gov't and US-owned multinational corporations exerted on Eastern European and Asian nations to join?

Welcome to the "Land of the Fee and the Home of the Slave."

[unpossibles]

46. It’s almost like they don’t care about OBL....

As if perhaps they know more than they let on, or that they couldn’t accept this deal because then they’d have no reason to invade Iraq. Well, they’d make up more reasons, but you know what I mean.

[blondeatlast]

23. Good God. Beyond that, words fail me.

Watching the longer Olbermann cut, I'm absolutely dumbstruck.

Impeach the bastards so they can't kill anymore, for the love of God. The blood is clearly on their hands.

K&REQUIRED reading of every person in the Left Blogosphere.

[sellitman]

26. Wow

Just wow!

[slipslidingaway]

27. Bush's Voluminous Public Pre-9/11 Record on bin Laden

Tuesday, September 26 2006 @ 11:42 EDT
Contributed by: Invictus
Views: 289

More at link below
http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20060926114229945

"Well, actually not so much.
I don't know what (if anything) Bush was doing behind the scenes about bin Laden in the months before 9/11, but there certainly isn't much on the public record.

A search at whitehouse.gov for the phrase "bin Laden" (pre-9/11) returns an overwhelming...five hits, four of which are from Ari Fleischer press briefings and one of which is an extension signed by Bush of a Clinton-era prohibition on doing business with the Taliban. In not one of the four press briefings did Fleischer raise the issue, it was always in repsonse to a questioner.
Let's look:.....(questions and replies are listed at the above link along with the WH links posted below)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/20010205.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/20010227.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/20010531.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/07/20010702-5.html


....Not a very robust public record when it comes to the world's #1 most wanted man: 1 "get back to you," 2 "talk to another department," and 1 total non-response. Impressive.
It's very interesting to note that a smiliar search using the phrase "missile defense" turns up 11 times as many hits -- 55. Wondering what Bush's priorities were in the first nine months of 2001?
Think Progress has picked up on the missile defense theme. Beat them by thatmuch!...."

[merh]

32. The title and the video title are misdated.

This was the February 27, 2007 White House briefing

From the official transcript

Q Ari, according to India Globe, the Taliban in Afghanistan, they have offered that they are ready to hand over Osama bin Laden to Saudi Arabia if the United States would drop its sanctions, and they have a kind of deal that they want to make with the United States. Do you have any comments?

MR. FLEISCHER: Let me take that and get back to you on that.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/20010227.html

[slipslidingaway]

34. ????? Not sure I follow your reply, the article/post was made in

September '06 and it correctly references and links to the February '01 briefing mentioned in the video you posted. There is no video in the link I posted. Why do you respond by saying the title and video title are misdated???

Here's the link I posted and what is interesting is the number of times Bin Laden was mentioned at the WH site as opposed to the missile defense system prior to 9/11.

http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20060926114229945

:shrug: :shrug:

[merh]

35. Sorry, I did confuse things didn't I. My correction has a bad date.

:blush: It should read that the title of the video and this thread is supposed to be 2/27/01, not 2/21/01. The date of the press briefing was February 27, 2001.

My mistake in the last post and it's too late to edit it. :blush:

:hi:

Thanks for the links, btw, and welcome to DU.

[slipslidingaway]

37. Thanks for the clarification and the welcome :))) n/t

[slipslidingaway]

28. What Did Bush Do About The Cole?

transcript and video
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/26/what-did-bush-do-about-the-cole/


"BLITZER: So you the asked the president in the Oval Office — and the vice president — why didn’t you go after the Taliban in those eight months before 9/11 after he was president. What did he say?

BEN-VENISTE: Well, now that it was established that al Qaeda was responsible for the Cole bombing and the president was briefed in January of 2001, soon after he took office, by George Tenet, head of the CIA, telling him of the finding that al Qaeda was responsible, and I said, "Well, why wouldn’t you go after the Taliban in order to get them to kick bin Laden out of Afghanistan?"

Maybe, just maybe, who knows — we don’t know the answer to that question — but maybe that could have affected the 9/11 plot.

BLITZER: What did he say?

BEN-VENISTE: He said that no one had told him that we had made that threat. And I found that very discouraging and surprising."

[merh]

40. How about this?

At the time of the "offer" Osama was under indictment for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, and is on the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

[slipslidingaway]

54. Yes and thanks for the reminder! n/t

[ClayZ]

31. K and R

I truly hate them too. Argh...! ! !



Hi merh

[merh]

33. thank you

hello ClayZ :hi:

[Flabbergasted]

36. Sanctions. I don't remember that?

[merh]

38. Sure, UN Sanctions 1999 (and before)

S/RES/1267 (1999) 15 October 1999 Establishes Security Council Committee; imposes limited air embargo and funds and financial assets embargo on the Taliban
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/300/44/PDF/N9930044.pdf?OpenElement

Human Rights violations and such.

I recall all sorts of struggles with the Taliban prior to Bush taking office (remember how they were accused of ethnic cleansing and there was the destruction of the ancient religious statues).

Oh, and at the end of Clinton's term, there was this one

S/RES/1333 (2000) 19 December 2000 Air and arms embargo, restricted travel sanctions, freezing of funds of Usama Bin Laden and associates (para 5,8,10 & 11)


During Bush's time there was one other resolution, prior to 9/11

S/RES/1363 (2001) 30 July 2001 Requests the Secretary-General to establish a mechanism to monitor the implementation of the measures imposed by resolutions 1267 (1999) and 1333 (2000)

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/1267/1267ResEng.htm

[Imagevision]

41. Amazing how these stories just never get any legs!!

[Divine Discontent]

42. UN-EFFIN-BELIEVABLE!!!

I am speechless... I am without speech...


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[TheBaldyMan]

48. Will Viacom pull that video for 'copyright infringement'? I wonder.

It seems that there is a strong argument for fair use with this but I'll wait and see.

k&r'ed

[merh]

49. That snippet is from

Keith Olberman's show, the longer portion of the video with the lies of the admin can be found in the thread.

Have Keith O and/or MSNBC made any such complaints?

Do they have the right to use the video?

[TheBaldyMan]

50. almost all Daily Show and Colbert Report clips have been pulled

along with a great many KO clips.

Maybe it is more problematic with Keith's clips because there is a very strong fair use argument.

Funny how Fox's crap is left up there along with fundies' and nazis' bile festering on that site.

[merh]

53. kick it to the top

more folks need to see & share this one.

[randycrow]

55. When a Bin Laden Article Appears

even critical of the Administration, it comes across as if the Administration has planted the article to conjure thoughts of 911 and is trying to justify its wars when in fact bin Laden has been dead since October 2001, killed so he cannot tell he had nothing to do with 911, and conspirators with much more high tech equipment than Bin Laden had, like the Neocon communi$t$, bombs in buildings, planes flown by remote control are really responsible. Also bringing up bin Laden bothers me because bin Laden was a Sunni al Queda communi$t fighting non communi$t Iran and a Neocon led USA is now directing our military to fight on the side of Sunni al Queda communi$t$ and forcing our brave soldiers to fight and die for communi$m against non communi$t Shiites in Iraq and Iran. USA citizens have been baited to go after Sunni and now the Administration has switched the enemy to non communi$t Shiites. Neocons must think the world is mighty dumb. Also, the headline is deceptive which indicates a planted story.

[merh]

56. Welcome to DU

Could you provide me with a link I can use regarding Bin Laden being a Sunni?

I would really appreciate that, it would help me with my debates on other boards.

thanks & again, welcome.

[bridgit]

57. i dunno, the text at youtube states: 'During a White House press conference...

'...Press Secretary Ari Fliescher responds to a reporters question about the Taliban offer to surrender Osama Bin Laden to Saudi Arabia authorities.

According to the 9/11 commision, the Bush administation had been informed by the CIA and the FBI that Al Queda was responsible for the Cole bombing in January of 2001, two weeks after he took office.'

which is a given in that the cheney/bush admin is so clearly gaming every aspect the system, and i watched this vid some 3-4 times, but it leaves me wishing there was more to it somehow

there's no doubt about it, this admin cannot get out of DC fast enough

[merh]

58. No doubt about it - they can't get out soon enough

Did you check out the full video KO did on the lies of this admin - that is where the clip comes from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ASBuh72Re8

Q Ari, according to India Globe, the Taliban in Afghanistan, they have offered that they are ready to hand over Osama bin Laden to Saudi Arabia if the United States would drop its sanctions, and they have a kind of deal that they want to make with the United States. Do you have any comments?

MR. FLEISCHER: Let me take that and get back to you on that.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/briefings/20010227.html

[merh]

59. another kick to the top

folks need to see this

[merh]

60. .

:kick: