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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 10:44 PM
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Matthews vs Fleischer (includes ending comments)
 
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:06 PM
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1. This is a case where it's GOOD when Matthews talks over a guest
usually that drives me nuts but it's warranted here - a couple moments Ari was speechless too :)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:20 PM
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2. The last of the video is very telling...
Ari: "After September 11th, having been hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam might not strike again? and that's
the threat that has been removed..."

BULLSHIT!!! AGAIN CONFLATING 9/11 with SADDAM.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Even Bush said Saddam "had nothing to do with 9/11". And here is his bullshit apologist conflating the two again.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:59 AM
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9. Right on!
I should have read all the posts before responding.
But what the heck, its good to self express in a safe place.

I mention this below. I am glad to see someone else caught it.

cheers.!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 09:14 AM
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22. Busted conflating 9-11 with Sadam
they never deviate from their written script, do they?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:37 PM
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27. Thom Hartmann just picked up on this...
and read the quote directly.

Glad it hasn't passed everyone by.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 11:47 PM
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3. Thanks for this
I missed the show earlier, and heard about that fucking lying filth, Fleischer.

But why didn't Tweety nail him when he made - among his other pathetic, flabby lies - the claim about getting rid of Saddam Hussein before "he struck us again"?

AGAIN?

It's mind-boggling to think these desperate-for-redemption thugs even TRY to get that fucking lie across again.

Man, I really loathe these people.

Nice wrap-up by Tweety, though. I admire the restraint he showed with this rude slime, but I wish he'd just punched the hell out of that smirking face.....................
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:01 AM
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4. Good for Chris matthews!
His comments at the end there were great. Apparently, he's seen the light, and as they say, it's the best disinfectant out there...
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:33 AM
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6. If you say so. He jsut sat there and let this lying bastard justify his fear mongering
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:40 AM
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7. "The intel was wrong , we were all fooled" bullshit.We now have evidence that he knew beforehand no
WMDs or influence on 9/11 attacks nor was he a threat to America...and Bush administration attacked anyway. We now know that they knew and lied anyway just to get a war going...and you don't think these people capable of orchestrating 9/11. Fuck Ari Fleisher...it's so hard for him to talk with KBR's and Blackwater's dicks in his mouth. So much death and destruction for power and profit with him justifying, lying and cheer leading all the way. We know better and Mathews was being too nice.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 02:01 AM
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10. oh yeah!
Thanks for that, your are so on target!
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:30 AM
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13. yeah, they wee fooled by the intelligence they planted and manufactured.
how odd. give me a friggin break!!
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:35 AM
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15. yeah, how could we do anything unless they gave us the date and time!!!
puleez!! perhaps if you had enough interpreters, you would have translated that zero hour transmission before the 12th. geesh!!
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 12:13 AM
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5. Thanks, Wetzelbill!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:51 AM
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8. But did anybody catch that last phrase about
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 01:53 AM by earcandle
Saddam having something to do with 911 and terrorist that Matthews missed?

Unfortunately, this movie is going around in some less progressive places without including Chris Matthew's responses
which are articulate and strong assertions about how duplicious and opportunist Ari Fleischer is being.
You got to give it to him though. He Knows his script and sticks to it.

I wish people would be more direct in their communications so they can more
powerfully counter these revisionists of history taking a historical
moment at is most vulnerable, as the critical journalist becomes inundated
with repetition and stops listening. Chris, it is like hypnotism,

The Fall has a song called Repetition.
And is dated to President Carter.
But still timely...

It is up after this next song
at Ear Candle Radio. We are on a twenty one hour loop,
so you can hear it again 21 hours after it plays.


Repetition is a powerful form of programming.

Peeps tend to get comfortable with their programming.

But evolution, that wonderfully generating energy that destabilizes everything and then
evolves to a point where it comes to rest at stasis in something entirely different it
can be so exciting and so much fun when it is intentional!

Democrats and healthy republicans who are not rethugs.... listen up.
We need your help. Lock arms and Think critically, set up goals,
keep your word, serve others....

If we are all supporting mutual goals together we will get there
and our leaders will be able to walk the walk and set the path.

We are crucial and we must have our voice.

We have to give these people who have perpetrated for others a way out and a way to heal as well.

But not the perpetrators.

It is too hard to turn this around otherwise. Consider it a rather odd trim tab, but a trim tab no less!

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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 02:55 AM
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11. How do we find your station?
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:33 AM
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14. i heard that and was waiting for matthews to slam him for it.
ari isn't going to help himself by trying to accuse the host of the show of crap. and chris matthews should have anticipated the responses and had the tapes ready to play. that would have been the most effective way to rebut the guy's bs lies. once they said something about nuclear weapons??? how about colin powell at the UN with pictures of mobile labs and white substances?? matthews tried to argue about the different shows they went on, which fleisher talked over, but the video would have been more effective. at least matthews tried. that fleisher guy is a piece of work. what an asshole.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:25 AM
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12. Ari brings up good points and he is right
Haha no just kidding! This guy is a supreme tool telling complete lies and he knows it. Fuck him and fuck all of the Bush administration!
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 06:36 AM
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16. yeah, someone should tell him the lying is showing on his face. he looks like shit!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 10:16 AM
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23. He sits on a thrown of lies
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 07:08 AM
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17. I wonder if Ari
was speaking for Bush or Cheney when he said,

You better watch what you say, you better watch what you do.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 07:27 AM
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18. I'm generally a pacifist so I don't say this about many people
But I'd really like to kick Ari straight in the face.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 08:50 AM
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20. lol
Yeah smug jerks tend to bring that out in the best of us.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 08:45 AM
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19. Ari Fleischer verbatim pre-war
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 08:45 AM by underpants
If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Dec. 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, Jan. 9, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly…..All this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleisher, press briefing, March 21, 2003

But make no mistake - as I said earlier - we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, April 10, 2003

We said what we said because we meant it…..We continue to have confidence that WMD will be found.
- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, press briefing, May 7, 2003

http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/lieswmd.html

Press Gaggle with Ari Fleischer
MR. FLEISCHER: Let me explain to you the President's thinking on this. A greater, more important truth is being lost in the flap over whether or not Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa. The greater truth is that nobody, but nobody, denies that Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. He was pursuing numerous ways to obtain nuclear weapons. The United States never said that he had nuclear weapons. We have said that he was pursuing them. It should surprise nobody that Saddam Hussein was seeking to acquire the means to produce from a variety of sources and a variety of ways.

He had previously obtained yellow cake from Africa. In fact, in one of the least known parts of this story, which is now, for the first time, public -- and you find this in Director Tenet's statement last night -- the official that -- lower-level official sent from the CIA to Niger to look into whether or not Saddam Hussein had sought yellow cake from Niger, Wilson, he -- and Director Tenet's statement last night states the same former official, Wilson, also said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him and insisted that the former official, Wilson, meet an Iraqi delegation to discuss expanding commercial relations between Iraq and Niger. The former official interpreted the overture as an attempt to discuss uranium sales.

This is in Wilson's report back to the CIA. Wilson's own report, the very man who was on television saying Niger denies it, who never said anything about forged documents, reports himself that officials in Niger said that Iraq was seeking to contact officials in Niger about sales.

What did the President say in the State of the Union? He said: according to British reports, Iraq is seeking uranium from Africa. And the intelligence cited two other countries, in addition to Niger.

So, again, the larger truth, was Saddam Hussein a threat, in part because he was seeking nuclear weapons, in addition to what we know and have said about chemical and biological.

Now, if you ask, how is the President approaching this, what's the President's approach, the President sees this as much ado, that it's beside the point of the central threat that Saddam Hussein presented.
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MR. FLEISCHER: It was corrected in March, when the part about yellow cake from Niger was looked into by the IAEA and that's when they reported it was based on forged documents.

But we still do not know whether or not Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa. According to the intelligence, there were two other nations that were cited for where Iraq may have been seeking or was seeking uranium.

So what we have said is it should not have risen to the level of a presidential speech. People cannot conclude that the information was necessarily false. After all, why would it surprise anybody that Saddam Hussein was seeking uranium. The more uranium you have, the fewer centrifuges you need to produce a nuclear weapon. So that, in and of itself, should not surprise anybody.

What is the issue here, in the President's judgment, is whether that information should have risen to his level and his giving the speech. And the administration, I think, to be fair to the administration, we did acknowledge that. We were the ones who were forthright and direct about it.

Q Well, after the IAEA brought up the forged documents. But on February -- if it wasn't substantiable enough to be presented in Mr. Powell's presentation, surely by then the White House realized that it wasn't substantiable enough to be put in the State of the Union. Why no public comment after February 5th? Why wait a month until the IAEA challenged the forged documents?
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When people hear about the flap over whether or not Iraq did, indeed, seek uranium from Africa, the American people say, we didn't go to war because Iraq may or may not have been seeking uranium from Africa; we went to war because Saddam Hussein was a threat because of chemical and biological weapons and also because he was pursuing nuclear weapons, whether he did or did not seek uranium from Africa. So I think the American people have it in pretty good perspective.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030712-11.html

Here is the video of him last night on Chris Mathews
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x282829

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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 09:02 AM
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21. How did he let Fleischer get away with that comment towards the end...
About not letting Saddam his us again.

WTF? That's the same tired old Bush administration propaganda about Hussein having something to do with 9/11. They slip comments like that in and NOBODY challenges them on it!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 10:30 AM
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24. If You Don't Know The How's / Where's
you do nothing!

That's the argument he just made.

Still Ari the liar.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 10:35 AM
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25. Now that's hardball.
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W T F Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 11:22 AM
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26. We didn't get attacked again beacuse....
After Sept.11th they no longer had the element of surprise!!
Fleisher's brain is starved of oxygen because he keeps his face smothered in Dick Cheney's ass!
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:37 PM
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28. K & R n/t
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 01:56 PM
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29. Looks like even Tweety was stunned by the depth of that BS. Ari appears to think that if you tell
enough lies fast enough no one will notice. Poor Tweety couldn't keep up.
Make sure to follow-up with the KO observations.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 02:06 PM
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30. I posted the KO video as well
It's in my journal.
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 02:20 PM
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31. I just mentioned it in case anyone overlooked it. It is such an excellent piece and shows even more
clearly how nuts Ari is. Thanks for the great posts.
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