lol. Stephen Baldwin vs Ron Paul on Larry King Live (drug war)

[SergeyDovlatov]

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This is just too funny. Liberal actor is fighting conservative republicans on the subject of legalizing drugs.
You cannot make this up.

Correction. I looked up, Stephen Baldwin seem to be a McCain / Palin Supporter. Boo.

[Schema Thing]

1. liberal actor? crazy right wing idiot hack-actor

[ChairmanAgnostic]

5. really. Ron Paul's a liberal actor? news to me.

[ooglymoogly]

22. You are getting idiot Steven Baldwin confused with his brother Alec a brilliant

and talented actor who is a liberal. Nut job Steven reeks havoc riding on his far more famous brothers coat tails. He is the least talented of all the Baldwins. Make that no talent what so ever.

[ooglymoogly]

23. sorry this comment was meant for op

[wroberts189]

55. ..who had no problem pretending to toke in Pineapple express.

What hypocrite he is.

[FLAprogressive]

2. Two far-right nutjobs battle it out.....

[liberalmuse]

3. Whenever I see some of the Hollywood nutters on my tv...

spewing right wing nonsense, my mind flashes back to the fearful days right after 9/11, where I imagine Victoria Jackson, Chuck Norris, Dennis Miller, Stephen Baldwin, etc. found themselves in the same room together and ended up fucking each others brains out until they went completely mad. There is no other viable explanation.

[Truth2Tell]

4. But, but, but....

Ron Paul is a Rupublican!!! He must be wrong about EVERYTHING!

[Maat]

7. HeeHee.

That gave me a laugh. Personally, I'm far from a party loyalist.

[krkaufman]

14. The problem with Ron Paul is that he may have the right position on some issues ...

... but almost never for the correct reason.

Here Paul is not arguing for legalization of marijuana, just against there being a "federal law."

[Truth2Tell]

24. I'll take right for the wrong reason over

wrong for the wrong reason.

[krkaufman]

43. Well, except policy is based on the next layer down ...

... which is where a Ron Paul solution would go horribly wrong. Each state gets to decide the legality issue? Nonsense.

[paulsby]

33. he IS right for the right reason

i support legalization too.

but he is also correct that regardless of whether one is for
or against legalization, it is wrong for the FEDERAL govt. to
dictate to the states what drugs they legalize or criminalize.

the scotus got away with justifying medical mj raids based on
their (incorrect) interpretation of the commerce clause.

legalized medical MJ, does not trigger the commerce clause
jurisdiction, because a person who grows their own medical MJ
pursuant to a script is not engaged in COMMERCE, let alone
interstate commerce.

ron paul is spot on here.  

[AlbertCat]

39. it is wrong for the FEDERAL govt. to dictate to the states what drugs they legalize or criminalize.

Oh brother! Why do people fall for this crap?

Does this apply to prescription drugs too? I mean they're drugs. Anna and Heath didn't die from illegal drugs, y'know. How are they to be monitored, regulated, quality controlled. What if say, California makes Codeine over the counter (like it is in Mexico)?

If Ron Paulians would just think to the end of the sentence instead of stopping half way...

[paulsby]

41. oh brother. get your facts straight. you are so wrong. look up "interstate commerce"

it applies to any drugs that DON'T INVOLVE INTERSTATE COMMERCE.

here's a hint prescription drugs , like codeine DO Involve interstate commerce. thus, the federal govt. has the lawful authority to regulate them.

cocaine (a CII drug, that is USED legally for some purposes, such as nasal surgery) is thus lawfully regulated by the feds because it involves interstate commerce, through production, distribution, etc.

it's called RULE OF LAW . DEAL WITH IT.

the rule of law is that if a substance does not involve interstate commerce, then the feds have no authority to control it.

now, as a matter of policy, i think codeine should be OTC, but that's a POLICY issue not a constitional law issue.

in the case of medical MJ, it is both. iow, the feds have no right (despite an erroneous imo federal ruling) to tell sally jane that she can't grow mj FOR HER OWN USE) pursuant to state law

sorry, but rule of law matters.

oh and codeine is over the counter in MANY countries besides mexico, to include australia, canada, costa rica, japan, and the UK (last i checked. non-exhaustive list)

[SergeyDovlatov]

50. oh brother, it is called creative new ways of ignoring the constitution

Up until FDR, very few people interpreted 'interstate commerce clause' the way you suggested.
It took amendment to the constitution to prohibit alchohol in 1913, remember?

Interstate commerce clause is the way to ignore rule of law.

Interstate commerce clause allows everything from controlling what you grow for your own consumption in your backyard, to prohibiting partial birth abortions.

I defy you to find an example of a law that cannot be defended in some way or another by applealing to interstate commerce clause.

[krkaufman]

44. Yeah, sounds great ....

... except when I happen to travel to my sister's place, with my medijuana in tow, and get arrested there for trafficking in drugs because she lives in a state run by neanderthals.

[paulsby]

45. i may disagree with that as a matter of POLICY

but it is not a violation of constitutional principles.

look at statutory rape laws, for instance.

it's totally legal for you to have sex with a 16 yr old in my state. if you cross the line into some states, that can be a serious felony.

go into canada, and the age is 14.

etc.

so yes, in a system such as ours, a democratic republic, states can set different policies for acts that have an internal result only.

[Maat]

6. Thanks for the post.

It was entertaining.

Despite some of Ron Paul's past behavior, I find myself agreeing with everything he said here (I, of course, don't agree on getting rid of social security, like some libertarians talk about).

When anyone has a spare weekend, I'll talk about what I saw as a social worker (I'm now retired). The drug war has to end. It makes actual and de facto orphans of far too many children.

[Hulk]

8. Why is this sibling of Eric Baldwin even on with his views??

Such lunacy from this nobody. This is the problem. Idiots like this turd quote research and facts that just don't exist. "Everybody knows....blah, blah, blah" = bull shit. Why even have some ignorant ass hole on to debate an important issue when he is just as empty headed as 95% of all the right wing ditto heads. They just spew shit that they think will be lapped up by their equally ignorant audience.

It needs to be legalized. We could make it available the same as we do with alcohol.....age of 21 or 18 or whatever. It already exists everywhere on campus and in social groups around the world. So make it legal, cut the cartels out of their game, and let's move on. Maybe it's time to refocus on alcohol. Isn't that one of the leading cause of auto accidents and deaths today? Isn't that one of the major forces of destruction in society today? God, what a fucked up value system we have.

[krkaufman]

15. Who's Eric Baldwin? n/t

[Donnachaidh]

9. Baldwin had NO career -- so he becomes a born again

And *suddenly* he's an authority on drugs? Yeah -- Biodome was SUCH an educational experience for him. :rofl:

[Truth2Tell]

10. Why is Stephen Baldwin still in America?

He promised he would leave the country if Obama won.

Why didn't the host ask him about that?

Here's the story and video from campaign season:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/01/stephen-baldwin-on-fox-ne_n_110169.html

[Wizard777]

11. Hemp can become marijuana when it flowers.

I'm against the lies, deceptions, and untruths used to criminalize marijuana. I also do not support the use of lies, deceptions, and untruths to legalize it.

[Politicalboi]

17. A Hemp crop

Within a certain distance can turn your beautiful Marijuana crop into Hemp. Useless to the smoker. It's easy for Baldwin to spew his shit because he's not sick. But I bet he loves the booze. Here's a quick video of prohibition and Hemp.

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=8dtqx

[Wizard777]

18. Both Hemp and Marijuana Comes from the cannabis plant.

Hemp refers to the stems and seeds. Marijuana is the buds(flowers)and leaves. Ron Paul made it sound like it was something totally different. It's really not. Both Hemp and Marijuana is Cannabis.

[Reform]

21. know what your talking about

Only the female marijuana plants produce the intoxicating weed.The males flower is useless in regards to "Getting High"
It is illegal to even grow the male

[Wizard777]

49. Not entirely true. The best of males can contain about 2% THC. The worst females can contain 4% THC.

There are Hybrid (females) that can contain up to 28% THC. But THC is present in both Male and female plants. But the female is most desirable for "getting high" because of the higher THC content in the trichomes in the pubescent females. It is theorized that the plant produces THC as a defense against herbivores. I find this to be a fallacy because most herbivores find it be a delicacy. They will travel miles to find it by following it pungent aroma. So it's a lure to aid in propagation of the species. Because the seeds that are produced by the flowers can survive ingestion. This in turn causing many animals to spread it's seeds far and wide in their dung as they migrate.

If you meant that as, Know what you're talking about! Instead of dude I know what you're talking about. Boy have you ever picked the wrong person to accuse of being uniformed about Marijuana. :rofl:

I'm 77 years old. I've been smoking it for 68 years. When I was kid. Looking for marijuana didn't involve checking street corners and clubs. We went to the banks of the Potomac River where it grew wild in great abundance. Best of all it was free. Now would you like to discuss the religious history and uses of marijuana? How about the bio-mechanics of how it gets you high? Tired of talking about THC? How about talking about another wonderful compound Cannabidiol(CBD) instead? How about medical used of oxygen rich CBD in cellular defense during a stroke? You cells can leach the oxygen out of CBD the same way it does your blood. The conundrum is how to get it past the blockage to protect the cells. The answer is simple. To have it there before the stroke occurs. Prescribe it to people who are typically at risk of stroke. Pick a subject any subject on Marijuana and we'll talk. :popcorn:

[Lorien]

53. From Vote Hemp:

Myth: Smoking Industrial Hemp gets a person high.

Reality: The THC levels in Industrial Hemp are so low that no one could get high from smoking it. Moreover, hemp contains a relatively high percentage of another cannabinoid, CBD, that actually blocks the marijuana high. Hemp, it turns out, is not only not marijuana; it could be called "anti-marijuana".

Myth: Even though THC levels are low in hemp, the THC can be extracted and concentrated to produce a powerful drug.

Reality: Extracting THC from Industrial Hemp and further refining it to eliminate the preponderance of CBD would require such an expensive, hazardous, and time-consuming process that it is extremely unlikely anyone would ever attempt it, rather than simply obtaining high-THC marijuana instead.

http://www.votehemp.com/myths_facts.html

[greiner3]

12. Lol, Paul sounds like a head!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

13. Um, I think you should read up on Stephen Baldwin before labelling him "liberal" actor.

His brother Alec (Alex?) is the liberal, Stephen is a Bible thumping right winger of the worst kind.

[krkaufman]

16. Re: "marijuana is a gateway drug" b-s

Nonsensical argument, but the main reason marijuana could possibly ever influence a person to move on to more powerful drugs is because we've put marijuana on the other side of the legality gate. Once you've used marijuana and see how harmless it is, one might then assume that other -- actually harmful -- drugs may be similarly misrepresented.

p.s. What is Baldwin's problem with calling Ron Paul "Mr. Paul" and "Ron"? Shouldn't he have been calling him "Representative Paul", "Congressman Paul", or just "Congressman"? Friggin' twit.

[LiberalLovinLug]

28. Another point about gateway argument

They always say marijuana leads to hard drugs. (it hasn't for me in 30 years of occasional use)

The vast majority of cannabis users do not go on to hard drugs. But the opponents of legalization point to statistics that reveal that almost 100% of hard drug users smoked pot early on. Which sounds convincing on the face of it.

But one way to reverse engineer the answer, going by Baldwin's logic, is to say that drinking coffee (and having an addiction to caffeine) leads to hard drugs, since probably 100% of hard drug users were addicted to coffee earlier in their lives.

I mean the effects you get from caffeine and coke are probably more similar than pot and other hard drugs.

I better not talk too loudly or nutjobs like Stephen Baldwin might actually take this up.
I loves me my cup a joe in the morning

[krkaufman]

30. Exactly. Past marijuana use might be a symptom of hard drug users ...

... but it's not a cause.

Great example re: coffee.

[Voice for Peace]

36. marijuana leads to terrible things such as

poetry, naps, laughter

[suede1]

38. Exactly! Way should kids believe proven liars? And that's what happens when teenagers find out for

themselves they've been lied to about pot.

[graywarrior]

19. Baldwin is proof of legalized insanity

[Lena inRI]

20. WOW, Joy was the best here. . .

. . .Bravissima, Josephina Victoria "Joy" Behar (née Occhiuto)!

Hope Larry King picks Joy to replace him when he retires. . .she doesn't pull any punches.

And she doesn't hurt the eyes like Larry. . .LOL!

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[burning rain]

34. Funny thing, she's really good as Larry's guest host.

Unlike The View, where she's as dopey as anyone.

[jhrobbins]

25. Yeah, this Baldwin was obviously dropped on his head. He isn't just a

McCain supporter, but he is in the same league as Dennis Miller (though obviously not as smart). I guess he thought if he couldn't be the famous one or the good-looking one or the other one (hehe) then he would go in a completely other direction. He has found God (that's great, I'm a Christian too-but he is always talking about it - him and Kirk Cameron - yuk, yuk) and now he wants to tell everybody how to live and where they are f...ing up. Reformed assholes just change their suits - that's all.

[Mnpaul]

26. Good humor

Could they have picked a worse candidate to argue for marijuana prohibition? I think not. Baldwin came up with some of the most ridiculous excuses.

[newmac]

27. So DO THE EXPERIMENT. Legalize Drugs...

and see if it works. It will.

[Warren Stupidity]

29. On this issue Paul is informed and articulate. Baldwin is an ass monkey.

[napoleon_in_rags]

56. Thank you! Policy over politician, right there. nt

[Sanity Claws]

31. What's with Stephen Baldwin's eyes?

He looks under the effects of something. Ironic, considering what he is advocating.

[burning rain]

35. He's high on Jesus!

*

[Warren Stupidity]

48. Teh Stupid is strong with this one.

Stephen looked like he was in full Fred Thompson mode: straining to make a b.m. As a spokesperson for stupid fundaloons, he's da bomb.

[burning rain]

32. Ron Paul reminds me of...

crazy guy on public transportation raving about this and that, convinced that he has a holy mission to bring truth to an unreceptive world. But he's at least partly on the ball sometimes!

[suede1]

37. I see Steven Baldwin is consistent. He always likes his arguments fact free.

[trthnd4jstc]

40. Did Stephen Baldwin Say Anything? I did not hear him say anything. His were moving, his mouth was

making noise, but nothing that he said was anything new. But, Bravo, on his knowing his lines. Bravo.

[DutchLiberal]

42. It's Alec who is the smart Baldwin.

By the way, poor Stephen... He didn't get a word in. All time went to Paul.

[Onceuponalife]

46. Baldwin needs to get stoned

it might help him cure that "smirk face" problem he has.

I'm sure brother Daniel can supply him with some...

[LynneSin]

47. Didn't Stephen Baldwin play a stoner in Bio-Dome

nuff said

[MissPuddy]

51. Less crime in Netherlands, British Columbia, etc. than USA

There are statistics that support crime and hardened drug use has not risen in areas with legalized marijuana

[specialed]

52. If been a pot fan since I was 13! :)

and I can safely say that alcohol is far worse. Far, far worse.

[AtheistCrusader]

54. Well the driving thing was just stupid.

Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus test will generally reveal impairment by Marijuana.
Part of any field sobriety test I have ever seen.

R.W. Baloh et al., Effect of Alcohol and Marijuana on Eye Movements, 50 Aviat. Space Environ. Med. 18 (Jan 1979).